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Antifar
10/10/18 2:25:22 PM
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/brazilian-swamp-drainer-1539039700

Context:
https://www.americasquarterly.org/content/what-expect-jair-bolsonaro
If theres one thing Bolsonaros supporters and critics tend to agree on, its that upcoming months will bring an onslaught of death in Brazilian cities.

This is after all Bolsonaros number-one policy priority: relaxing laws and rules for security forces, allowing them to shoot first and ask questions later (to an even greater extent than today, considering police already kill 5,000 people per year). The goal is to intimidate or kill drug dealers, thieves and other criminals and thus reverse the inexorable rise in crime since democracy returned to Brazil in 1985.

This may sound to an outsider like hysteria. But it is simply taking Bolsonaro and his allies at their word. There are far too many supporting quotes to list here, but in late August he said criminals are not normal human beings and that police should be rewarded, not punished, if they kill 10, 15 or 20 at a time. The pro-Bolsonaro crowd blames an overemphasis on human rights for Brazils violence, arguing that criminals enjoy better protections than common citizens. They essentially want a return to tactics of the 1964-85 dictatorship, when streets were safer.


https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/bolsonaro-harnesses-disillusion-with-brazil-s-traditional-politics-1.3634572
BOLSONARO IN HIS OWN WORDS
I am a captain in the army, my speciality is killing.
Pinochet should have killed more people.
Weve got to let everyone have guns, just like in the United States. Id let truck drivers and security guards have guns, for example. Its like the Wild West out here, but only one side is allowed to shoot.
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Zero_Destroyer
10/10/18 2:27:16 PM
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it's really concerning that Trump supporters like all these authoritarian dictator types

it's almost as if they want

hmm

I dunno I feel like I'm onto something here

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

can't quite figure it out tho
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halomonkey1_3_5
10/10/18 2:27:48 PM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
it's really concerning that Trump supporters like all these authoritarian dictator types

it's almost as if they want

hmm

I dunno I feel like I'm onto something here

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

can't quite figure it out tho

dont say it or they'll get mad and vote for dictators
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TheCyborgNinja
10/10/18 2:28:15 PM
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Frederick the Great was arguably one of the most benevolent and outstanding leaders in human history despite being an absolute monarch.

It's not like America isn't completely controlled by the 1% with token concessions just to keep the illusion of the old republic afloat. In theory, you could have a dictator that is more fair. I bet if a military coup happened and Trump was hanged, it'd create a lot of mixed feelings.
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Antifar
10/10/18 2:37:12 PM
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Yeah I don't think the guy getting endorsed by the Wall Street Journal is going to be a tool against the 1%
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TheCyborgNinja
10/10/18 2:42:31 PM
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Antifar posted...
Yeah I don't think the guy getting endorsed by the Wall Street Journal is going to be a tool against the 1%

Agreed. I'm just playing devil's advocate. It's my thing.

The best form of government is the Liechtenstein model and everything else is shit.
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RebelElite791
10/11/18 10:20:52 AM
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
it's really concerning that Trump supporters like all these authoritarian dictator types

it's almost as if they want

hmm

I dunno I feel like I'm onto something here

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

can't quite figure it out tho

dont say it or they'll get mad and vote for dictators

Lmao

But yeah fuck WSJ and fuck Bolsonaro. All the Brazilians I know are just despairing over his impending victory. Shit sucks.
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Alpha218
10/11/18 10:24:50 AM
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The only reason this guy is going to win is because his rival is in jail. Trump wishes he couldve done that to Hillary and even publicly said hed do that on the campaign trail
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RebelElite791
10/11/18 10:27:11 AM
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Alpha218 posted...
The only reason this guy is going to win is because his rival is in jail. Trump wishes he couldve done that to Hillary and even publicly said hed do that on the campaign trail

Thats not the only reason. Hes playing to the same angry, racist, bigoted, fearful base that Trump and all fascists play to
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KiwiTerraRizing
10/11/18 10:27:15 AM
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First the Phillipines and now Brazil.

If every country legalized drugs most of this shit would get sorted out.
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Alpha218
10/11/18 10:27:44 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Alpha218 posted...
The only reason this guy is going to win is because his rival is in jail. Trump wishes he couldve done that to Hillary and even publicly said hed do that on the campaign trail

Thats not the only reason. Hes playing to the same angry, racist, bigoted, fearful base that Trump and all fascists play to

I should say, its his biggest obstacle gone.
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glitteringfairy
10/11/18 10:50:59 AM
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Looks like Brazil may finally become a safe country again. Good for them.
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spudger
10/11/18 10:52:00 AM
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Imagine thinking innocent ppl wont be murdered in this Brazilian purge
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luigi13579
10/11/18 10:52:43 AM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Looks like Brazil may finally become a safe country again. Good for them.

At least Pinochet's Chile was safe.
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DarthWendy
10/11/18 10:56:22 AM
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Alpha218 posted...
The only reason this guy is going to win is because his rival is in jail. Trump wishes he couldve done that to Hillary and even publicly said hed do that on the campaign trail

I don't know about Lula, although he was a right mafioso. But Hillary belongs in jail. Have you forgotten the emails ?
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Alpha218
10/11/18 11:01:15 AM
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DarthWendy posted...
Alpha218 posted...
The only reason this guy is going to win is because his rival is in jail. Trump wishes he couldve done that to Hillary and even publicly said hed do that on the campaign trail

I don't know about Lula, although he was a right mafioso. But Hillary belongs in jail. Have you forgotten the emails ?

How can I forget about the emails? The right wont shut the fuck up about them even though she lost 2 years ago.
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Caution999
10/11/18 11:06:49 AM
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Antifar topic
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Alpha218
10/11/18 11:07:36 AM
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Caution999 posted...
Antifar topic

Caution post.
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RebelElite791
10/11/18 11:15:32 AM
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fenderbender321 posted...
That's not even the WSJ endorsing this guy. It's an opinion piece written by somebody who works for the WSJ.

And also, you have to pay to read the article, so nobody is going to read it.

Also, 99% of the people who are going to pass judgment in this topic probably don't know jack shit about the culture and values of Brazil anyway.


I have Brazilian friends who have talked extensively about him. But please, explain how his bigotry and fascism is brazilian culture
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RebelElite791
10/11/18 11:16:10 AM
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DarthWendy posted...
Alpha218 posted...
The only reason this guy is going to win is because his rival is in jail. Trump wishes he couldve done that to Hillary and even publicly said hed do that on the campaign trail

I don't know about Lula, although he was a right mafioso. But Hillary belongs in jail. Have you forgotten the emails ?

Youre a National Front supporter, everyone knows where you stand on fascism
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NinjaBreakfast
10/11/18 11:19:05 AM
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TheCyborgNinja has openly identified as 'far right', I wouldn't take his posts itt in good faith.

Anyway yeah this is wild.
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RebelElite791
10/11/18 11:20:13 AM
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fenderbender321 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
That's not even the WSJ endorsing this guy. It's an opinion piece written by somebody who works for the WSJ.

And also, you have to pay to read the article, so nobody is going to read it.

Also, 99% of the people who are going to pass judgment in this topic probably don't know jack shit about the culture and values of Brazil anyway.


I have Brazilian friends who have talked extensively about him. But please, explain how his bigotry and fascism is brazilian culture


I don't know anything about Brazilian culture, so why would you think I'd want to do that?

Well it seemed like thats where that stupid post was going
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DarthWendy
10/11/18 11:20:17 AM
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Alpha218 posted...
Caution999 posted...
Antifar topic

Caution post.

Alpha reply.
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RebelElite791
10/11/18 11:27:49 AM
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You dont need to read far past him being a racist, misogynistic, super-religious fascist to know hes a piece of shit

Hop off the fence and use your brain
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The Great Muta 22
10/11/18 11:31:38 AM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Looks like Brazil may finally become a safe country again. Good for them.


Would you want these policies enforced in America?
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scar the 1
10/11/18 11:32:13 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Youre a National Front supporter, everyone knows where you stand on fascism

Even Le Pen disavowed Bozo
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The Great Muta 22
10/11/18 11:33:02 AM
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fenderbender321 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
You dont need to read far past him being a racist, misogynistic, super-religious fascist to know hes a piece of shit

Hop off the fence and use your brain


It depends on how big of the picture you want to look. If you want to look at half the picture or less, then sure, this could work.


Why are making assumptions about people's knowledge on a subject after just deriding such behavior? Stop being hypocritical
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pres_madagascar
10/11/18 11:34:29 AM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Frederick the Great was arguably one of the most benevolent and outstanding leaders in human history despite being an absolute monarch.

It's not like America isn't completely controlled by the 1% with token concessions just to keep the illusion of the old republic afloat. In theory, you could have a dictator that is more fair. I bet if a military coup happened and Trump was hanged, it'd create a lot of mixed feelings.

Benevolent absolute rulers are like 1 out of 100 at best.
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DarthWendy
10/11/18 11:36:52 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
DarthWendy posted...
Alpha218 posted...
The only reason this guy is going to win is because his rival is in jail. Trump wishes he couldve done that to Hillary and even publicly said hed do that on the campaign trail

I don't know about Lula, although he was a right mafioso. But Hillary belongs in jail. Have you forgotten the emails ?

Youre a National Front supporter, everyone knows where you stand on fascism

No I'm not. And fhe Front National doesn't exist anymore under this name. If you want to embarrass yourself by talking about things you don't grasp, at least keep up with the news.
Wait, you don't, since you talk out of your arse more often than not.
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King_Hellebuyck
10/11/18 11:37:02 AM
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If the facsists dont win then the far left will take over and turn everything into the Soviet Union!
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scar the 1
10/11/18 11:41:03 AM
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To be clear, Bozo has stated on TV that he thinks the biggest mistake of the past regime in Brazil (a military dictatorship) was that they didn't kill enough people. He's said that he would rather his son died that was gay. He supports torture. He says the the military police is incorruptible and should be given a lot more money.

...already after the first round of election there have been tons of cases of outspoken Bozo supporters committing violent acts against people who are openly for another party. One of the more publicized ones was where they carved a swastika onto the body of a young woman, and the police officer investigating the case said that it was just a Buddhist symbol of peace.

Things aren't great in Brazil right now, and he hasn't even won yet.
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RebelElite791
10/11/18 11:51:33 AM
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DarthWendy posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
DarthWendy posted...
Alpha218 posted...
The only reason this guy is going to win is because his rival is in jail. Trump wishes he couldve done that to Hillary and even publicly said hed do that on the campaign trail

I don't know about Lula, although he was a right mafioso. But Hillary belongs in jail. Have you forgotten the emails ?

Youre a National Front supporter, everyone knows where you stand on fascism

No I'm not. And fhe Front National doesn't exist anymore under this name. If you want to embarrass yourself by talking about things you don't grasp, at least keep up with the news.
Wait, you don't, since you talk out of your arse more often than not.

Oh sorry, they changed their name literally just over 3 months ago

And yes, everyone knows you have circlejerked extensively over Le Pen in the past
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DarthWendy
10/11/18 11:57:47 AM
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RebelElite791 posted...
DarthWendy posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
DarthWendy posted...
Alpha218 posted...
The only reason this guy is going to win is because his rival is in jail. Trump wishes he couldve done that to Hillary and even publicly said hed do that on the campaign trail

I don't know about Lula, although he was a right mafioso. But Hillary belongs in jail. Have you forgotten the emails ?

Youre a National Front supporter, everyone knows where you stand on fascism

No I'm not. And fhe Front National doesn't exist anymore under this name. If you want to embarrass yourself by talking about things you don't grasp, at least keep up with the news.
Wait, you don't, since you talk out of your arse more often than not.

Oh sorry, they changed their name literally just over 3 months ago

And yes, everyone knows you have circlejerked extensively over Le Pen in the past

I don't care what people talking out of their arses think they "know". I am certainly a firm sovereignist and a profound patriot, yet this doesn't equate to "RN supporter".
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Antifar
10/11/18 1:58:08 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Youre a National Front supporter, everyone knows where you stand on fascism

Speaking of the National Front: Marine Le Pen feels Bolsonaro is too fashy
https://twitter.com/adowniebrazil/status/1050384487388012544
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scar the 1
10/11/18 2:10:24 PM
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Antifar posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Youre a National Front supporter, everyone knows where you stand on fascism

Speaking of the National Front: Marine Le Pen feels Bolsonaro is too fashy
https://twitter.com/adowniebrazil/status/1050384487388012544

Hello? Am I invisible?

scar the 1 posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Youre a National Front supporter, everyone knows where you stand on fascism

Even Le Pen disavowed Bozo

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