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Tmaster148 10/16/18 8:55:34 PM #151: |
DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...I support the right for people to chose to get an abortion if they so want. I don't support abortion. I support choice. I'm not some anti-choice, pro-punishment person like you are. But continue to use emotional charged language. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 10/16/18 8:56:16 PM #152: |
Im not gonna read this whole topic now, but to the people who dont think rape victims should get abortions:
Why not just let the woman get the abortion so she can have a kid when shes ready? She might live to resent that kid if shes forced to keep it, and will be much less likely to want to have more kids in the future. Its not like abortion stops a woman from being able to have kids, theyd be much better off not being forced to live with a reminder of a traumatic event and having kids later when theyre ready. Same goes with girls who get pregnant too young or with a father who abandons her --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unbreakable 10/16/18 8:56:21 PM #153: |
jborgan posted...
DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted...SageHarpuiaHX posted...Unbreakable posted...SageHarpuiaHX posted...Landlords have to go through a process to remove tenants, you can't just kick them out with all their stuff on the side of the road, that's illegal. That's fucking ridiculous --- But Wait... there's more ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 10/16/18 8:56:41 PM #154: |
DarkTransient posted...
No, it is not a punishment. A punishment would be "you got raped, so you're going to jail" (y'kno, like what actually happens in a lot of Middle Eastern countries, the same ones you no doubt claim can do no wrong). This is literally just not letting them kill someone who is in no way at fault for the rape - indeed, they didn't even exist yet when the rape happened. Yes it is. She is punished with a major consequence because she was raped and the Government isn't on her side because they don't allow her freedom over her own body. No idea what the Middle-East deflection is about. You seem to be more about not giving rights to women so I would have thought you'd agree with their morality more than mine. --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuiaHX 10/16/18 8:57:01 PM #155: |
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...False accusations are pretty common, 2% is just the ones we know about. And even then we only know about most of those because the woman admitted to lying. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuiaHX 10/16/18 8:59:14 PM #156: |
thronedfire2 posted...
What part of the "Abortion kills the baby" argument do you not understand? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 8:59:15 PM #157: |
Darmik posted...
DarkTransient posted...No, it is not a punishment. A punishment would be "you got raped, so you're going to jail" (y'kno, like what actually happens in a lot of Middle Eastern countries, the same ones you no doubt claim can do no wrong). This is literally just not letting them kill someone who is in no way at fault for the rape - indeed, they didn't even exist yet when the rape happened. It isn't a punishment. It's literally just "not giving her an extra right - one to kill an innocent third party, at that - in response to what happened". --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 10/16/18 8:59:30 PM #158: |
It would be nice if science developed to the point where all of these crazy anti-abortion people could host abortions up their ass until it developed into life. Would be nice to see how many of them volunteer.
--- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 8:59:58 PM #159: |
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
thronedfire2 posted... It's not that they don't understand it, it's that they're okay with it - even going as far as to claim they're "not human" to justify it. Exaclty why the pro-abortion brigade should be considered dangerous and placed on watchlists. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 10/16/18 9:00:21 PM #160: |
DarkTransient posted...
It isn't a punishment. It's literally just "not giving her an extra right - one to kill an innocent third party, at that - in response to what happened". If you were raped and had to raise his baby would you consider it an honor? --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:00:35 PM #161: |
Darmik posted...
It would be nice if science developed to the point where all of these crazy anti-abortion people could host abortions up their ass until it developed into life. Would be nice to see how many of them volunteer. I assume of course then, that everyone you think there should be support for, you're out there personally supporting them? No? Then it isn't our responsibility to take care of someone else's baby either. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 10/16/18 9:00:37 PM #162: |
The government should have no involvement in marriage.
Abortion should be illegal except in cases of defense of the mother's life, because it is a denial of the basic human right of life. Pretty simple, but people are fucking stupid. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:00:58 PM #163: |
Darmik posted...
DarkTransient posted...It isn't a punishment. It's literally just "not giving her an extra right - one to kill an innocent third party, at that - in response to what happened". I wouldn't consider it an honor by any means; but it doesn't mean I have the right to kill the baby either. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 10/16/18 9:01:37 PM #164: |
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
thronedfire2 posted... It doesnt kill a baby. And theres a reason its only legal in the first 6 months --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 10/16/18 9:02:10 PM #165: |
DarkTransient posted...
Darmik posted...DarkTransient posted...It isn't a punishment. It's literally just "not giving her an extra right - one to kill an innocent third party, at that - in response to what happened". You should be honored that you get to bring life into the world. That's what being pro-life is now. Seems like you want every women be raped and deliver a baby. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 10/16/18 9:02:57 PM #166: |
DarkTransient posted...
Darmik posted...It would be nice if science developed to the point where all of these crazy anti-abortion people could host abortions up their ass until it developed into life. Would be nice to see how many of them volunteer. You're wanting to restrict the rights of rape victims. You should be obligated to raise more rape victim babies than the rape victims. --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:02:58 PM #167: |
Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...Darmik posted...DarkTransient posted...It isn't a punishment. It's literally just "not giving her an extra right - one to kill an innocent third party, at that - in response to what happened". ...how the FUCK do you make the jump from "rape doesn't justify killing an innocent third party" to "everyone should be raped"? --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YUHH 10/16/18 9:03:27 PM #168: |
DarkTransient posted...
SageHarpuiaHX posted...thronedfire2 posted... I don't think you get to talk about watchlists when you have stated in the past that nearly all crime should be met with the death penalty. --- https://i.imgtc.com/jUodQdE.jpg Barbecue confederate flags over spare time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:03:30 PM #169: |
Darmik posted...
DarkTransient posted...Darmik posted...It would be nice if science developed to the point where all of these crazy anti-abortion people could host abortions up their ass until it developed into life. Would be nice to see how many of them volunteer. No, I'm wanting to restrict the "right" to kill of all people, rape victim or otherwise. Or do you seriously think that my logic is "only rape victims should be denied that "right""? --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 10/16/18 9:03:59 PM #170: |
And the fact of the matter is that all banning abortion does is increase the rate of back alley abortions and girls hiding their baby and then killing it because theyre scared of the nutcase conservative anti abortion family they have at home.
Just look at what shutting down backpage did to the sex work industry in a few months --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuiaHX 10/16/18 9:04:14 PM #171: |
thronedfire2 posted...
It doesnt kill a baby. SageHarpuiaHX posted... Are you saying you've discovered the definition of life that has alluded scientists for centuries??? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:04:21 PM #172: |
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...SageHarpuiaHX posted...thronedfire2 posted... Yeah, because wanting an absolute freedom to kill innocent people just because they're inconvenient, is totally the same thing as raising the penalty for those convicted of crimes in fair trials to the death penalty. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 10/16/18 9:05:01 PM #173: |
DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Darmik posted...DarkTransient posted...It isn't a punishment. It's literally just "not giving her an extra right - one to kill an innocent third party, at that - in response to what happened". I'm just going off your statements. You have no issues with a women deliver a baby conceived from rape. You are even adamant in wanting to kill women that do. You are a rape apologist and it seems like your end goal is that you want to a rape a women to have a kid. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:05:06 PM #174: |
thronedfire2 posted...
And the fact of the matter is that all banning abortion does is increase the rate of back alley abortions and girls hiding their baby and then killing it because theyre scared of the nutcase conservative anti abortion family they have at home. The "it'll happen anyway" argument is fine and should be taken into account when there's no victim, but not when there is. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuiaHX 10/16/18 9:05:51 PM #175: |
I concede that banning abortion is ineffective at preventing it.
I sure as hell shouldn't have to pay for it though. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:05:53 PM #176: |
Tmaster148 posted...
The only theory I can come up with as to how you're making those ridiculous logic leaps is that you're projecting your own desires on to me. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 10/16/18 9:06:16 PM #177: |
DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted... I'm not the one who wants women to be forced to have a rape baby. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YUHH 10/16/18 9:06:20 PM #178: |
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
I concede that banning abortion is ineffective at preventing it. You're not. --- https://i.imgtc.com/jUodQdE.jpg Barbecue confederate flags over spare time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:07:17 PM #179: |
Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted... I'm against killing innocent people in any situation. Whereas you seem to be perfectly fine with it, as long as their mother was raped. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 10/16/18 9:07:20 PM #180: |
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
I concede that banning abortion is ineffective at preventing it. Tax money does not fund abortions --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 10/16/18 9:08:21 PM #181: |
DarkTransient posted...
I'm against killing innocent people in any situation. Whereas you seem to be perfectly fine with it, as long as their mother was raped. Potential life isn't a person yet. --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 10/16/18 9:08:33 PM #182: |
DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted... Look at you making leaps in logic. Wanting women to have a choice if they want to keep a baby made from rape is totally being fine with killing people. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:09:32 PM #183: |
Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted... It literally is, given that your idea of "not keeping them" is killing them. If you wanna support them having the right to put the baby up for adoption, I'll be 100% on your side on that one. There's a way they can choose to not keep the baby, without killing it. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 10/16/18 9:10:35 PM #184: |
DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted... Removing cells from the body isn't killing a person. Do you make a funeral any time you shed skin? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vindris_SNH 10/16/18 9:10:41 PM #185: |
@thronedfire2 posted...
It doesnt kill a baby. What species is the... whatever you want to call it... at conception? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuiaHX 10/16/18 9:11:29 PM #186: |
thronedfire2 posted...
Tax money does not fund abortions It frees up other resources to use for abortion, there's really no difference. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 10/16/18 9:11:32 PM #187: |
so if a woman has a miscarriage is that manslaughter?
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Darmik 10/16/18 9:11:33 PM #188: |
Do you anti-abortion loons also think women who have a higher chance of miscarriage during the first and second terms shouldn't ever get pregnant?
I mean you seem so focused on these 'deaths' and 'innocent life' --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:11:33 PM #189: |
Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted... Dead cells from your own body are not the same thing as the entire body of a separate person. Heck, even live cells from your own body, do what you want, you're only harming (if anyone) yourself, and you've consented to doing yourself that harm. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:12:31 PM #190: |
Darmik posted...
Do you anti-abortion loons also think women who have a higher chance of miscarriage during the first and second terms shouldn't ever get pregnant? Imagine literally thinking an unfortunate, non-deliberate death is the same thing as paying for an intentional killing. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 10/16/18 9:12:39 PM #191: |
DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted...DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted... So removing cells from your body is fine unless it's in your vagina is basically what you are saying. Sounds like you just want to regulate women's privates. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:13:28 PM #192: |
Tmaster148 posted...
So removing cells from your body is fine unless it's in your vagina is basically what you are saying. Sounds like you just want to regulate women's privates. Once again: Dead cells from your own body are not the same thing as the entire body of a separate person. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuiaHX 10/16/18 9:14:35 PM #193: |
Comparing miscarriage to abortion is like comparing a car crash to gassing someone
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Tmaster148 10/16/18 9:14:58 PM #194: |
DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...So removing cells from your body is fine unless it's in your vagina is basically what you are saying. Sounds like you just want to regulate women's privates. Did you know that when the sperm and egg meet they don't instantly form the body of a person. Infact they start as a single cell organism and divide many times before they even start to take the shape of a person. And even then it's only the shape as most of the organs haven't even been developed yet. Sounds like you think when you get someone pregnant a baby is instantly formed. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 10/16/18 9:15:50 PM #195: |
DarkTransient posted...
Darmik posted...Do you anti-abortion loons also think women who have a higher chance of miscarriage during the first and second terms shouldn't ever get pregnant? What in the world? They know the risk that their decision will lead to the possibility of 'innocent life dying' right? Why is that different? If a baby had a risk for dying under a Mothers care she shouldn't have the baby right? Why is being pregnant different? Is it possible because it's not the same thing? That a developing fetus isn't the same as a baby? --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuiaHX 10/16/18 9:17:24 PM #196: |
Tmaster148 posted...
So removing cells from your body is fine unless it's in your vagina is basically what you are saying. Sounds like you just want to regulate women's privates. You might have a point If we were starfish ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkTransient 10/16/18 9:17:48 PM #197: |
Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...Tmaster148 posted...So removing cells from your body is fine unless it's in your vagina is basically what you are saying. Sounds like you just want to regulate women's privates. By your logic, a child isn't a person becasue they don't have the whole body of an adult yet. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 10/16/18 9:18:21 PM #198: |
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Tmaster148 posted...So removing cells from your body is fine unless it's in your vagina is basically what you are saying. Sounds like you just want to regulate women's privates. You do realize you lose cells all the time. Hell all the cells in your body right now aren't even the same cells when you were born. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darklit_Minuet 10/16/18 9:18:36 PM #199: |
DarkTransient posted...
It isn't a punishment. It's literally just "not giving her an extra right - one to kill an innocent third party, at that - in response to what happened". It's not an extra right. It's a right afforded to everyone. Everyone has the right to their own body, and to prevent others from using it against their will. If you need a kidney transplant and only I can save you, you can't have my kidney if I don't want you to. Even if you'd die without it. Take something less invasive like a blood transfusion - only I can decide if you can have my blood or not. If you'd end up dying without my blood, I'm killing you by not letting you have it, but I won't be thrown in jail for it because my bodily autonomy extends to full control of who gets to use my body. Even if I died, you STILL couldn't use me to sustain your own life. If I didn't register as an organ donor, my dead body is off limits to you. Being anti-choice is literally affording women less right over what happens with their body than a fucking corpse. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 10/16/18 9:18:50 PM #200: |
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Comparing miscarriage to abortion is like comparing a car crash to gassing someone If you drive drunk you get arrested right? Because of the potential risk to life? Yet you pussy out when we're talking about a developing fetus. Hmm. --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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