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YUHH
10/16/18 7:17:20 PM
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Evolician
10/16/18 7:20:10 PM
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Me must outlaw homosecks marriage in order to appease god or else he will flood America like he did before O:
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Turbam
10/16/18 7:20:49 PM
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300 IQ topic
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 7:21:00 PM
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The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

The latter shouldn't be illegal.
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thronedfire2
10/16/18 7:21:07 PM
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Because if we let the guys marry theyll obviously have gay kids because straight people only have straight kids
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YUHH
10/16/18 7:21:43 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

The latter shouldn't be illegal.

Abortion isn't murder
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Complete_Idi0t
10/16/18 7:22:22 PM
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Because if guys realize how much fun it is to have sex with each other than women won't have any power
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Space_Man
10/16/18 7:23:25 PM
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I think abortion is iffy, but only because it's such a weird split and idk that all of the female supporters are necessarily in favor of it.

Like, I can't count on my hands how many girls from hs/college were insanely vocal abortion activists and are now single moms.
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YUHH
10/16/18 7:24:02 PM
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Space_Man posted...
I think abortion is iffy, but only because it's such a weird split and idk that all of the female supporters are necessarily in favor of it.

Like, I can't count on my hands how many girls from hs/college were insanely vocal abortion activists and are now single moms.

Being pro choice doesn't mean you're going to have an abortion should you get pregnant
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 7:24:19 PM
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YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

The latter shouldn't be illegal.

Abortion isn't murder


Indeed, because "murder" is a legal term that's specifically defined in a way that excludes abortion.

That's why I said "killing" instead.
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SageHarpuiaHX
10/16/18 7:25:18 PM
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Murdering a pregnant woman is legally considered double homicide.
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thronedfire2
10/16/18 7:25:28 PM
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Space_Man posted...
I think abortion is iffy, but only because it's such a weird split and idk that all of the female supporters are necessarily in favor of it.

Like, I can't count on my hands how many girls from hs/college were insanely vocal abortion activists and are now single moms.


That would be because theyre pro choice, not pro abortion

My sister is pro choice, spent years saying she was never having kids but when she got pregnant she kept it. Because it was a choice, a choice that conservatives want to remove
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YUHH
10/16/18 7:26:28 PM
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Murdering a pregnant woman is legally considered double homicide.

Which has nothing to do with abortion, so try again.

And is also because you are forcefully making that choice that she has no control of, but you knew that and just wanted to shitpost.
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creativerealms
10/16/18 7:27:00 PM
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To protect the moral fiber of our country of course.
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Space_Man
10/16/18 7:27:55 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
My sister is pro choice, spent years saying she was never having kids but when she got pregnant she kept it. Because it was a choice, a choice that conservatives want to remove

These were all girls that said they'd get an abortion the second they found out they were pregnant

I know of two who were pro choice and kept the babies.
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WaterLink
10/16/18 7:28:34 PM
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YUHH posted...
Space_Man posted...
I think abortion is iffy, but only because it's such a weird split and idk that all of the female supporters are necessarily in favor of it.

Like, I can't count on my hands how many girls from hs/college were insanely vocal abortion activists and are now single moms.

Being pro choice doesn't mean you're going to have an abortion should you get pregnant

This. Having the right to choose doesnt mean they're all going to make the same choice.
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BruceWayneJr
10/16/18 7:29:00 PM
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Read your bible.
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creativerealms
10/16/18 7:29:27 PM
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Murdering a pregnant woman is legally considered double homicide.

Because she has chosen to keep the potential child.
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thronedfire2
10/16/18 7:30:24 PM
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Space_Man posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
My sister is pro choice, spent years saying she was never having kids but when she got pregnant she kept it. Because it was a choice, a choice that conservatives want to remove

These were all girls that said they'd get an abortion the second they found out they were pregnant

I know of two who were pro choice and kept the babies.


You seem to be confused about what the word choice means
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SageHarpuiaHX
10/16/18 7:30:36 PM
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YUHH posted...
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Murdering a pregnant woman is legally considered double homicide.

Which has nothing to do with abortion, so try again.

And is also because you are forcefully making that choice that she has no control of, but you knew that and just wanted to shitpost.

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Calwings
10/16/18 7:30:40 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

The latter shouldn't be illegal.

Do situations where the mother could likely die from medical complications if she gives birth to the baby, or cases where the pregnancy was caused by rape, fall under "good justification" in this scenario? Those two are the only situations where I see abortion to be justifiable, but they're important situations to note.

I agree 100% that gay marriage shouldn't be illegal.
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YUHH
10/16/18 7:31:05 PM
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...
YUHH posted...
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Murdering a pregnant woman is legally considered double homicide.

Which has nothing to do with abortion, so try again.

And is also because you are forcefully making that choice that she has no control of, but you knew that and just wanted to shitpost.

Just because you call it something different to make it sound more tame doesn't make it more tame.

Keep dodging buddy, get them Jesus points.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/16/18 7:31:57 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

Exactly. "I do not consent for you to be in my body" is a very good justification, therefore it should be legal
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 7:33:16 PM
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Calwings posted...
DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

The latter shouldn't be illegal.

Do situations where the mother could likely die from medical complications if she gives birth to the baby, or cases where the pregnancy was caused by rape, fall under "good justification" in this scenario? Those two are the only situations where I see abortion to be justifiable, but they're important situations to note.

I agree 100% that gay marriage shouldn't be illegal.


Rape, no. While I can definitely have some sympathy, it still doesn't justify ending a third party's life (though I'd be 100% fine with "aborting" the rapist). A threat to the mother's life, absolutely, I see that as being in the same bucket as killing in self-defence. And if it's a "either one or the other, but not both, can be saved" situation, it's understandable to save the mother rather than the baby.

And most of all - I certianly recognize that a ban alone won't solve the issue, and it must be combined with better support for those who do have babies, as well as better access to contraception to reduce the demand in the first place.
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YUHH
10/16/18 7:34:21 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 7:35:07 PM
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YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."
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YUHH
10/16/18 7:35:26 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."

what
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Unbreakable
10/16/18 7:35:41 PM
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Now, do you people who want to force the mothers to bear children they don't want support aid for those mothers?
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Tmaster148
10/16/18 7:36:28 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Sounds like you might just be a rape apologist.
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thronedfire2
10/16/18 7:36:30 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Sorry you got robbed, now you have to take care of his kid for the rest of your life
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Space_Man
10/16/18 7:36:36 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
You seem to be confused about what the word choice means

Not at all. In my first post I said they were insanely pro abortion and later elaborated that it was to the point of saying they would abort anything occupying their uterus.

If they had said anything along the lines of "I want it legal for people to be able to choose" then I would've simply said pro choice in my post.
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glitteringfairy
10/16/18 7:36:47 PM
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It's not unless your religious. I'm a non religious conservative and I really couldn't care less about these two issues
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Darmik
10/16/18 7:37:57 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Yeah if the robber raped his victim and she needed to have an abortion I think that's fair.
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Geiki Ganger
10/16/18 7:38:54 PM
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Turbam posted...
300 IQ topic

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Inferno Dive Dragoon
10/16/18 7:39:41 PM
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Unbreakable posted...
Now, do you people who want to force the mothers to bear children they don't want support aid for those mothers?


I want to say its ironic that the grand majority of pro-lifers are also anti-welfare, but then you realize it's not that surprising that pro-lifers do not in fact care about the woman or child, they just want to *appear* as though they care.

So why do they pretend? Who are they trying to impress?
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SageHarpuiaHX
10/16/18 7:40:06 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

Exactly. "I do not consent for you to be in my body" is a very good justification, therefore it should be legal

"I do not consent to you being in my home" isn't a good justification for putting a newborn outside to starve, and there's not much difference between these analogies.
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 7:40:11 PM
#37:


Darmik posted...
DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Yeah if the robber raped his victim and she needed to have an abortion I think that's fair.


No matter how you frame it, you're punishing one person (with the death penalty, no less) for the actions of a different person here.

Considering that support for abortion generally comes from the same people who cry about "what about those who are innocent?" when it comes to the death penalty, that's pretty fucking hilarious.
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Calwings
10/16/18 7:40:50 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no. While I can definitely have some sympathy, it still doesn't justify ending a third party's life (though I'd be 100% fine with "aborting" the rapist).

The way I see it, a lot of women would rather not carry around a constant reminder of the time they were raped for nine months. While simply putting the baby up for adoption after birth is an option, the nine months leading up to that could still cause a lot of mental trauma for the woman. Though it's not as clear and dry as "the mother might die if the baby is born" like in the second case that I mentioned (and you agreed with), it's still a case of the mother suffering a lot of harm in the process, just mentally instead of physically.
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YUHH
10/16/18 7:41:41 PM
#39:


DarkTransient posted...
Darmik posted...
DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Yeah if the robber raped his victim and she needed to have an abortion I think that's fair.


No matter how you frame it, you're punishing one person (with the death penalty, no less) for the actions of a different person here.

Considering that support for abortion generally comes from the same people who cry about "what about those who are innocent?" when it comes to the death penalty, that's pretty fucking hilarious.

They're not related at all. One is a clump of cells with no consciousness or sense of self inhabiting the body of another human being (akin to a parasite), the other is a human being that may or may not have made shitty choices to end up in the position to be legally executed.
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 7:42:17 PM
#40:


Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Sounds like you might just be a rape apologist.


Yes, a rape apologist that's perfectly fine with punishing the rapist with the death penalty, and simply objects to a third party that wasn't even alive at the time of the rape being put to death over it.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
10/16/18 7:42:20 PM
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SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

Exactly. "I do not consent for you to be in my body" is a very good justification, therefore it should be legal

"I do not consent to you being in my home" isn't a good justification for putting a newborn outside to starve, and there's not much difference between these analogies.


If you're going to shitpost, could you at least step up on your main?
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Darklit_Minuet
10/16/18 7:42:42 PM
#42:


SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

Exactly. "I do not consent for you to be in my body" is a very good justification, therefore it should be legal

"I do not consent to you being in my home" isn't a good justification for putting a newborn outside to starve, and there's not much difference between these analogies.

If you don't want someone to be in your home, you have every right to kick them out
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SageHarpuiaHX
10/16/18 7:43:31 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

Exactly. "I do not consent for you to be in my body" is a very good justification, therefore it should be legal

"I do not consent to you being in my home" isn't a good justification for putting a newborn outside to starve, and there's not much difference between these analogies.

If you don't want someone to be in your home, you have every right to kick them out

Dude, that scenario would get you put in prison for negligent homicide
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Unbreakable
10/16/18 7:43:42 PM
#44:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

Exactly. "I do not consent for you to be in my body" is a very good justification, therefore it should be legal

"I do not consent to you being in my home" isn't a good justification for putting a newborn outside to starve, and there's not much difference between these analogies.

If you don't want someone to be in your home, you have every right to kick them out

Or kill them if you're in a "stand your ground" state
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Darmik
10/16/18 7:44:15 PM
#45:


DarkTransient posted...
Darmik posted...
DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Yeah if the robber raped his victim and she needed to have an abortion I think that's fair.


No matter how you frame it, you're punishing one person (with the death penalty, no less) for the actions of a different person here.

Considering that support for abortion generally comes from the same people who cry about "what about those who are innocent?" when it comes to the death penalty, that's pretty fucking hilarious.


It's not a person yet.

You're just punishing a victim for something that she had absolutely no control over. It's a ridiculous burden to put on a victim of rape. To expect her to give birth and raise a life that only exist because of something terrible happening to her.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/16/18 7:44:31 PM
#46:


SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

Exactly. "I do not consent for you to be in my body" is a very good justification, therefore it should be legal

"I do not consent to you being in my home" isn't a good justification for putting a newborn outside to starve, and there's not much difference between these analogies.

If you don't want someone to be in your home, you have every right to kick them out

Dude, that scenario would get you put in prison for negligent homicide

If you don't want someone in your house, they have to leave your house. Period. In the case of newborns you have to drop them off at an orphanage or fire station, but they have zero right to be in your house against your will
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Tmaster148
10/16/18 7:44:41 PM
#47:


DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Sounds like you might just be a rape apologist.


Yes, a rape apologist that's perfectly fine with punishing the rapist with the death penalty, and simply objects to a third party that wasn't even alive at the time of the rape being put to death over it.


You want the rapist to have an offspring.
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 7:44:42 PM
#48:


Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
SageHarpuiaHX posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
DarkTransient posted...
The former, because all other forms of killing a person without very good justification (ie: either as a penalty after a fair trial, or in self-defence) are illegal, and just because someone is a bit younger shouldn't exempt them from that protection.

Exactly. "I do not consent for you to be in my body" is a very good justification, therefore it should be legal

"I do not consent to you being in my home" isn't a good justification for putting a newborn outside to starve, and there's not much difference between these analogies.


If you're going to shitpost, could you at least step up on your main?


If you're having a hard time figuring out who exactly that account's main is, I feel really sorry for you. I barely bother to familiarize myself with the various CEmen and even I can tell exactly who it is.
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 7:45:51 PM
#49:


Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
YUHH posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Sounds like you might just be a rape apologist.


Yes, a rape apologist that's perfectly fine with punishing the rapist with the death penalty, and simply objects to a third party that wasn't even alive at the time of the rape being put to death over it.


You want the rapist to have an offspring.


No, but if they already have one - which they do by the time abortion is considered - there is no reason to punish said offspring for their father's actions.

I mean, if your dad went out and raped someone or murdered someone or whatever, should you receive the punishment? Or should he be the only one who receives any?
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YUHH
10/16/18 7:46:30 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
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DarkTransient posted...
Rape, no

maximum kek level reached

"Sorry you got raped, now have this rape baby you never wanted and the literal hell your body is going to go through for the next 9 months"


"You got robbed, we'll lock the robber up for a few years, and kill his offspring."


Sounds like you might just be a rape apologist.


Yes, a rape apologist that's perfectly fine with punishing the rapist with the death penalty, and simply objects to a third party that wasn't even alive at the time of the rape being put to death over it.


You want the rapist to have an offspring.


No, but if they already have one - which they do by the time abortion is considered - there is no reason to punish said offspring for their father's actions.

I mean, if your dad went out and raped someone or murdered someone or whatever, should you receive the punishment? Or should he be the only one who receives any?

Why should the mother be punished for a terrible thing that happened to her against her will?
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