Current Events > This Elizabeth Warren thing makes me think about my Native American status

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Coffeebeanz
10/16/18 9:05:52 PM
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I've always felt it was wrong. I'm 1/64th Cherokee, but that's apparently enough to be a member of the Cherokee Nation. I've never put it on any application because it somehow feels wrong, despite my membership.

Although, humorously my 50% Chinese heritage has resulted in several people saying they can "see" my Cherokee features lol.

But yeah, I don't understand why this is a big deal. If she identifies as NA and has the DNA to back it up, let her.
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Doom_Art
10/16/18 9:07:25 PM
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Her political opponents need something on her.

They have no corruption scandals or anything like that so this is all they have
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frozenshock
10/16/18 9:07:56 PM
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 9:08:03 PM
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She's 1/64th at most, and probably a lot less.

Not to mention the Cherokee chief literally came out and said "It's not just about DNA, and she doesn't qualify on the other aspects".
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ZMythos
10/16/18 9:09:16 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
She's 1/64th at most, and probably a lot less.

And it literally does not matter.

It's in her heritage.
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Zikten
10/16/18 9:09:32 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Although, humorously my 50% Chinese heritage has resulted in several people saying they can "see" my Cherokee features lol.

my sister is full blooded chinese (she's adopted) and yea one time a native alaskan asked her what tribe she is from.
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 9:10:49 PM
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ZMythos posted...
DarkTransient posted...
She's 1/64th at most, and probably a lot less.

And it literally does not matter.

It's in her heritage.

DarkTransient posted...
Not to mention the Cherokee chief literally came out and said "It's not just about DNA, and she doesn't qualify on the other aspects".

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Coffeebeanz
10/16/18 9:11:08 PM
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Zikten posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Although, humorously my 50% Chinese heritage has resulted in several people saying they can "see" my Cherokee features lol.

my sister is full blooded chinese (she's adopted) and yea one time a native alaskan asked her what tribe she is from.


To be fair, the prevailing theory is that Native Americans crossed from Asia to Alaska across the ice age land bridge, so that does make some sense.
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littlebro07
10/16/18 9:12:28 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Although, humorously my 50% Chinese heritage has resulted in several people saying they can "see" my Cherokee features lol.


My wife is half black, half Native American (probably not an even 50/50 obviously but those are the two main ones). People always think she's black and Asian.
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TheDarkCircle
10/16/18 9:12:34 PM
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she's another one who took the bait with trump. she should have just ignored it
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ZMythos
10/16/18 9:12:44 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
ZMythos posted...
DarkTransient posted...
She's 1/64th at most, and probably a lot less.

And it literally does not matter.

It's in her heritage.

DarkTransient posted...
Not to mention the Cherokee chief literally came out and said "It's not just about DNA, and she doesn't qualify on the other aspects".

Qualify for status as a tribe member (and the benefits that it entails).
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Bio1590
10/16/18 9:14:43 PM
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The only thing mine gets me is different hunting and fishing rights than "regular" people.
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DarkTransient
10/16/18 9:15:12 PM
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ZMythos posted...
DarkTransient posted...
ZMythos posted...
DarkTransient posted...
She's 1/64th at most, and probably a lot less.

And it literally does not matter.

It's in her heritage.

DarkTransient posted...
Not to mention the Cherokee chief literally came out and said "It's not just about DNA, and she doesn't qualify on the other aspects".

Qualify for status as a tribe member (and the benefits that it entails).


Which is what makes one a Native American. In case you haven't realised, they don't define who is or isn't one of them based solely on DNA. Unless your logic is "I want to force my ideas of who is or isn't one, on to them"?
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MARKINGRAM22
10/16/18 9:17:44 PM
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ZMythos posted...
DarkTransient posted...
She's 1/64th at most, and probably a lot less.

And it literally does not matter.

It's in her heritage.


Being a 10th of one percent does not make something your heritage. Im Malcom X if she is Cherokee.
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StucklnMyPants
10/16/18 9:20:09 PM
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Actually, Warren is at most, 1/64 Mexican, Peruvian, or Colombian. lol Maybe she'll have better luck with another test.

To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American.

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UnholyMudcrab
10/16/18 9:20:26 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
She's 1/64th at most, and probably a lot less.

Not to mention the Cherokee chief literally came out and said "It's not just about DNA, and she doesn't qualify on the other aspects".


Here's a fun fact: the Cherokee chief himself is 1/32 Cherokee
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ZMythos
10/16/18 9:20:42 PM
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DarkTransient posted...

Which is what makes one a Native American. In case you haven't realised, they don't define who is or isn't one of them based solely on DNA. Unless your logic is "I want to force my ideas of who is or isn't one, on to them"?

Okay stop moving the goalposts.

She never claimed Native American Status, officially or otherwise.

She made a statement: "I have Native American ancestry"

Which is an objective fact.

Does that give her tribal status? No. But the argument was never about that to begin with.

FFS
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MARKINGRAM22
10/16/18 9:21:08 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Not to mention the Cherokee chief literally came out and said "It's not just about DNA, and she doesn't qualify on the other aspects".

Here's a fun fact: the Cherokee chief himself is 1/32 Cherokee


Yeah it is literally that episode of South Park.
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tamashiini
10/16/18 9:21:22 PM
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I'm some very very tiny percentage native American. Like, 1/256th or something. Can't remember what tribe, just that it began with a C. I'd have to look at my grandma's genealogy records. I've never claimed it or wanted to, I'm pretty obviously German and Slavic in my features.

I always found it funny that that side of the family has nothing to do whatsoever with Indian anything but the other side of my family lives very near/amongst the Tohono O'odham community in southern Arizona, of which many were my classmates and friends growing up, and I learned a lot more about native American history from my grandfather, who was a local expert on old Indian cave paintings and helped them compile and publish data on medicinal plants.
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minnesotaHunter
10/16/18 9:21:29 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Her political opponents need something on her.

They have no corruption scandals or anything like that so this is all they have


It's sad that now days, instead of debating policy and ideas, people talk about scandals and the like...
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creativerealms
10/16/18 9:22:15 PM
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She doesn't even identify as native American from what understand. She mentioned it a few times are republicans blew it out of proportion.
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Zikten
10/16/18 9:22:35 PM
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well it doesn't really make her special. nearly all white americans (and other races too) supposedly are at least 1% native. but yea, that doesn't really mean anything. 1% is not enough to claim an ethnicity
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MARKINGRAM22
10/16/18 9:26:13 PM
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Zikten posted...
well it doesn't really make her special. nearly all white americans (and other races too) supposedly are at least 1% native. but yea, that doesn't really mean anything. 1% is not enough to claim an ethnicity


She is supposedly a 10th of 1 percent. Add in that she said this is a significant part of her life. Wrote a ridiculous ignorant Cherokee cook book, used it for college, said it gave her high cheek bones, etc.

And she is saying this is a win...she was passing off like she was 1/8th. Im 1/8 native and 8% African and I think it would be ridiculous to call myself a black man or a Native American.
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BJ-blazkowics
10/16/18 9:27:09 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Her political opponents need something on her.

They have no corruption scandals or anything like that so this is all they have

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Alpha218
10/16/18 9:27:33 PM
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Did we really need a rehash of the earlier Warren topics
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Zikten
10/16/18 9:28:36 PM
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Spooking posted...
Warren got played and she looks worse for it.

yea she is a bit of an idiot. in terms of political chess playing, doing this was a loss to Trump. it makes her look stupid and weak that she gave in to Trump's request for a dna test
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creativerealms
10/16/18 9:31:44 PM
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Zikten posted...
Spooking posted...
Warren got played and she looks worse for it.

yea she is a bit of an idiot. in terms of political chess playing, doing this was a loss to Trump. it makes her look stupid and weak that she gave in to Trump's request for a dna test

Yet if she ignored Trump she would have also looked weak. She lost no matter what.
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Bio1590
10/16/18 9:31:48 PM
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Zikten posted...
well it doesn't really make her special. nearly all white americans (and other races too) supposedly are at least 1% native. but yea, that doesn't really mean anything. 1% is not enough to claim an ethnicity

I already told you this is wrong, stop repeating it
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Zikten
10/16/18 9:32:23 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
I already told you this is wrong, stop repeating it

I don't remember where you said this. but it's not wrong. a lot of white americans actually do have a tiny bit of native dna
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Bio1590
10/16/18 9:33:09 PM
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Zikten posted...
Bio1590 posted...
I already told you this is wrong, stop repeating it

I don't remember where you said this. but it's not wrong. a lot of white americans actually do have a tiny bit of native dna

The other topic you posted in.

It's not even close to 1% and it's only an average, it's not even "most white people".
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ZMythos
10/16/18 9:34:53 PM
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Spooking posted...
So Warren is a born loser?

More that Trump's a manipulative piece of shit
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voldothegr8
10/16/18 9:35:14 PM
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ZMythos posted...
DarkTransient posted...
She's 1/64th at most, and probably a lot less.

And it literally does not matter.

It's in her heritage.

No more so and probably less than the average US citizen.
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creativerealms
10/16/18 9:35:27 PM
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Spooking posted...
creativerealms posted...
Zikten posted...
Spooking posted...
Warren got played and she looks worse for it.

yea she is a bit of an idiot. in terms of political chess playing, doing this was a loss to Trump. it makes her look stupid and weak that she gave in to Trump's request for a dna test

Yet if she ignored Trump she would have also looked weak. She lost no matter what.

So Warren is a born loser?

Yes in the sense she played a fixed game where it was impossible for her to win. The house always wins. Trump is the house.
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ZMythos
10/16/18 9:36:23 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
No more so and probably less than the average US citizen.

Ok? And? Did she have a Native American ancestor? Yes.

Did she claim anything besides having a Native American ancestor? No.

So did she do anything wrong? No.

Is Trump a fuckwad dipshit? Yes.
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darkphoenix181
10/16/18 9:40:45 PM
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As someone who had native on both sides of my family, status with the nation is complicated.

For instance my grandpa's mother would have need to file for membership for my grandpa to gain benefits from what I understand.

That doesn't mean he is not native american. It means he and his mother didn't feel like going through the trouble of filing and following their rules.

I have an uncle who is directly native american and from what I understand he also is not a member. (as in his mother is 100% native)
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Bio1590
10/16/18 9:47:38 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
As someone who had native on both sides of my family, status with the nation is complicated.

For instance my grandpa's mother would have need to file for membership for my grandpa to gain benefits from what I understand.

That doesn't mean he is not native american. It means he and his mother didn't feel like going through the trouble of filing and following their rules.

I have an uncle who is directly native american and from what I understand he also is not a member. (as in his mother is 100% native)

There's people in Canada who are 100% Native that can't get Indian Status because their great-great-etc-etc-whatever didn't get status 150 years ago.
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Funbazooka
10/16/18 9:48:30 PM
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ZMythos posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
No more so and probably less than the average US citizen.

Ok? And? Did she have a Native American ancestor? Yes.

Did she claim anything besides having a Native American ancestor? No.

So did she do anything wrong? No.

Is Trump a fuckwad dipshit? Yes.

She's claiming that Trump should pay up to a charity of her choice because he bet that she couldn't prove that she was a Native American... and with this DNA test she just proved she's white like anyone else who's white
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