Current Events > Woman: Has abortion, no problem. Man: Attempts to give abortion pill, 22 years

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In jail.

I'm fairly against abortion in most situations but this is laughable. If a woman kills an unborn baby it's legal and all good. If man tries to then he gets charged with attempted murder and gets 22 years in prison. If the fetus isn't the a person and it isn't murder for the woman, then how does it suddenly become a person if man does it?

If a woman can have an abortion without the fathers input, then the father should be able to give up parental rights if he wants an abortion but the mother doesn't want one.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6259409/Indian-American-businessman-given-22-year-jail-term-spiking-pregnant-girlfriends-drink.html
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What is so hard to understand about her body, her choice?
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Its almost like she did of her own choice and he did it against her will without telling her.

Fuck right off with this disingenuous bullshit topic.
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Bait set.
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MuayThai85 posted...

If a woman can have an abortion without the fathers input, then the father should be able to give up parental rights if he wants an abortion but the mother doesn't want one

I agree with this 100%, but women will never go for it because sugar daddies and gold diggers.

But the dude slipped in an abortion pill into a girls drink. Thats completely fair next on the jail sentence

Second paragraph i agree tho
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TC you're usually smarter than this...
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King_Hellebuyck posted...

What is so hard to understand about her body, her choice?

RebelElite791 posted...

Its almost like she did of her own choice and he did it against her will without telling her.

Fuck right off with this disingenuous bullshit topic.

Neither of these responses actually address how it's alive and a person in one situation, but not in the other.
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King_Hellebuyck posted...

What is so hard to understand about her body, her choice?

It's no longer just her body when there is a living human life in there.
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Depends if the child is wanted or not : (

MuayThai85 posted...

King_Hellebuyck posted...

What is so hard to understand about her body, her choice?

It's no longer just her body when there is a living human life in there.

So you dont understand the her body or the her choice part

Got it
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It kinda sucks if the man wants to keep the child, but the woman doesnt.
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King_Hellebuyck posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

King_Hellebuyck posted...

What is so hard to understand about her body, her choice?

It's no longer just her body when there is a living human life in there.

So you dont understand the her body or the her choice part

Got it

I understand the idea behind it, however I do not agree with it in the slightest.
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What a stupid fucking topic lol
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Probably because intentionally poisoning someone's drink is bad.
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Calling it attempted murder could be seen as disingenuous from the pro-choice perspective, but what he did is obviously morally wrong because he was trying to get her to take a drug that would cause something she didn't want to have happen to her body, so yeah he should go to jail, but I am not familiar enough with law in that state to know if this is really a contradiction with abortion law on if a fetus can be considered a murder victim. Killing people is legal in basically ever country on Earth under the right circumstances (self-defense, euthanasia, death penalty are all potential examples legal in some countries). So you can have a situation where it is legal to kill a fetus and one where it is illegal.
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Shouldn't you be pretending to live Thailand TC? Or wherever?

If men got pregnant liberals would be against abortion
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what a fucking mess of a topic
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MuayThai85 posted...

In jail.

I'm fairly against abortion in most situations but this is laughable. If a woman kills an unborn baby it's legal and all good. If man tries to then he gets charged with attempted murder and gets 22 years in prison. If the fetus isn't the a person and it isn't murder for the woman, then how does it suddenly become a person if man does it?

If a woman can have an abortion without the fathers input, then the father should be able to give up parental rights if he wants an abortion but the mother doesn't want one.

I see the argument for giving up rights since you have no say in whether she has the child or not, but that's completely different than trying to kill the kid growing inside her because you want to have a choice too. You had a choice already and decided birth control was not your responsibility. Sorry, sorry. Now you're going to be a dad. It's your choice whether people will add 'deadbeat' to the beginning of that.
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1. The guy got the pill out of the country so it is likely not FDA approved or safe.

2. Since this wasn't prescribed by a doctor, he didn't know if she could have had a bad or fatal reaction to it.

3. He fled the country or something for like a decade which is primarily the reason why his sentence is so long.
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MuayThai85 posted...

the father should be able to give up parental rights if he wants an abortion but the mother doesn't want one.

I think everyone should agree with this.
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Ving_Rhames posted...

What a stupid fucking topic lol

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

Explain why it should be OK for a woman to abort an unwanted pregnancy without the fathers input but the father can't forfeit parental rights when he doesn't want the child but the mother does.

Don't reply with "her body, her choice"..
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Villain posted...

1. The guy got the pill out of the country so it is likely not FDA approved or safe.

2. Since this wasn't prescribed by a doctor, he didn't know if she could have had a bad or fatal reaction to it.

3. He fled the country or something for like a decade which is primarily the reason why his sentence is so long.

Yup. Guy poisoned her drink should be enough to be tried as attempted murder.
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No one's saying he did nothing wrong. They're asking why it's "a living human" in one case, but not in the other.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

I already pointed out that isn't important. Killing living persons is legal under some circumstances.
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Irregardless posted...

Shouldn't you be pretending to live Thailand TC? Or wherever?

I live in China now actually. I'm currently in Bangkok at the moment, if you'd like I can take a picture and show you.
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VipaGTS posted...

TC you're usually smarter than this...

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MuayThai85 posted...

Ving_Rhames posted...

What a stupid fucking topic lol

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

Explain why it should be OK for a woman to abort an unwanted pregnancy without the fathers input but the father can't forfeit parental rights when he doesn't want the child but the mother does.

Don't reply with "her body, her choice"..

You don't want that response because the concept that a woman has more control over what goes on in her own body than an external figure completely destroys your argument
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ssjevot posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

I already pointed out that isn't important. Killing living persons is legal under some circumstances.

But "it's not a person" is the argument used to support abortion. If being consistent, then this couldn't be charged as attempted murder - only as forced medication, whatever the legalese for that is. Or the alternative way of being consistent - abortion would have to be considered murder, or at least "killing a person", too - which pro-abortionists are adamant it isn't.
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ssjevot posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

I already pointed out that isn't important. Killing living persons is legal under some circumstances.

"Some circumstances" seems arbitrary though
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Tmaster148 posted...

Villain posted...

1. The guy got the pill out of the country so it is likely not FDA approved or safe.

2. Since this wasn't prescribed by a doctor, he didn't know if she could have had a bad or fatal reaction to it.

3. He fled the country or something for like a decade which is primarily the reason why his sentence is so long.

Yup. Guy poisoned her drink should be enough to be tried as attempted murder.

He wasn't charged for attempted murder of the mother, he was charged for attempted murder of an unborn fetus.
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MuayThai85 posted...

Ving_Rhames posted...

What a stupid fucking topic lol

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

Explain why it should be OK for a woman to abort an unwanted pregnancy without the fathers input but the father can't forfeit parental rights when he doesn't want the child but the mother does.

Don't reply with "her body, her choice"..

Her body, her choice.
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DarkTransient posted...

ssjevot posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

I already pointed out that isn't important. Killing living persons is legal under some circumstances.

But "it's not a person" is the argument used to support abortion. If being consistent, then this couldn't be charged as attempted murder - only as forced medication, whatever the legalese for that is.

The guy literally poisoned her drink to inflict bodily harm on her. That in itself should be enough to be tried as Attempted Murder.
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Bloodychess posted...

ssjevot posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

I already pointed out that isn't important. Killing living persons is legal under some circumstances.

"Some circumstances" seems arbitrary though

So you don't want killing in self-defense to be legal? What about euthanasia?
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spudger posted...

VipaGTS posted...

TC you're usually smarter than this...

Are you two not familiar with how much he lies about literally everything? He literally had to close his other account because he got busted for using his brother's Facebook photos.

MuayThai85 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Villain posted...

1. The guy got the pill out of the country so it is likely not FDA approved or safe.

2. Since this wasn't prescribed by a doctor, he didn't know if she could have had a bad or fatal reaction to it.

3. He fled the country or something for like a decade which is primarily the reason why his sentence is so long.

Yup. Guy poisoned her drink should be enough to be tried as attempted murder.

He wasn't charged for attempted murder of the mother, he was charged for attempted murder of an unborn fetus.

Because its not his body so its not his choice
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Tmaster148 posted...

DarkTransient posted...

ssjevot posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

I already pointed out that isn't important. Killing living persons is legal under some circumstances.

But "it's not a person" is the argument used to support abortion. If being consistent, then this couldn't be charged as attempted murder - only as forced medication, whatever the legalese for that is.

The guy literally poisoned her drink to inflict bodily harm on her. That in itself should be enough to be tried as Attempted Murder.

Yes. Attempted murder of the woman. Not of the fetus, if using the "it's not a person" logic.
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DarkTransient posted...

ssjevot posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

I already pointed out that isn't important. Killing living persons is legal under some circumstances.

But "it's not a person" is the argument used to support abortion. If being consistent, then this couldn't be charged as attempted murder - only as forced medication, whatever the legalese for that is. Or the alternative way of being consistent - abortion would have to be considered murder, or at least "killing a person", too - which pro-abortionists are adamant it isn't.

Is that the legal justification? Does the law say this is legal because a fetus isn't a person? Or is it just one of the many hundreds of arguments for and against abortion people argue constantly? Because unless it is codified in the law it isn't a contradiction under the law.
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RebelElite791 posted...

Its almost like she did of her own choice and he did it against her will without telling her.

Fuck right off with this disingenuous bullshit topic.

Tmaster148 posted...

Probably because intentionally poisoning someone's drink is bad.

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maybe not murder, but definitely endangerment or something.

22 years considering his obtaining of the substance, administering it, then being on the run for a decade isn't a significant amount of time for this IMO
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Tmaster148 posted...

Probably because intentionally poisoning someone's drink is bad.

Seriously, this.

Fair fucking next.
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Men that want a financial abortion should be forced to get a vasectomy.

I'm not footing the bill as a tax payer, for some asshole to go around knocking up women and absolving himself of responsibility and then the woman eventually going on snap, fuck that, fuck that guy, I'd sooner see him hung to death.
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@Irregardless Here, just for you.


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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I'm not footing the bill as a tax payer

You're not and never were
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BettyB0op08 posted...

There was already a topic about this. Wisconsin is one of the most anti-abortion states and is a republican majority so of course they'd do something like this. Doesn't help that this dude is Indian. I doubt they'd give such a sentence to a white guy.

I feel like you guys are purposely ignoring the fact that he fled the country for a decade.

As a side note, this is actually local news for me.
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VipaGTS posted...

TC you're usually smarter than this...

He really isnt though
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Men that want a financial abortion should be forced to get a vasectomy.

I'm not footing the bill as a tax payer, for some asshole to go around knocking up women and absolving himself of responsibility and then the woman eventually going on snap, fuck that, fuck that guy, I'd sooner see him hung to death.

No, men who knock someone up should take some fucking responsibility and be a father instead of disappearing. "Financial abortion" as you call it shouldn't be an option.
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DarkTransient posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

DarkTransient posted...

ssjevot posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Then counter my point. Explain how something could be consider a living person in one case but not in another?

I already pointed out that isn't important. Killing living persons is legal under some circumstances.

But "it's not a person" is the argument used to support abortion. If being consistent, then this couldn't be charged as attempted murder - only as forced medication, whatever the legalese for that is.

The guy literally poisoned her drink to inflict bodily harm on her. That in itself should be enough to be tried as Attempted Murder.

Yes. Attempted murder of the woman. Not of the fetus, if using the "it's not a person" logic.

This. I'm fine with him being charged for trying to drug the woman against her consent. Whatever charges he received should be for what he did to her, not attempted murder of something that isn't apparently alive.
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