Current Events > *if* piracy is theft due to lost potential sales (it's not actually theft)

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ModLogic
10/21/18 3:16:49 AM
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but *if* it were.

then are you all not stealing potential sales now by blocking ads?
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ForestLogic
10/21/18 3:17:43 AM
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I do sometimes see people who unironically argue that Adblockers should be illegal because of basically that.

Fuck that though, lol.
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Kaiganeer
10/21/18 3:22:24 AM
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it's literally theft
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Mega_Luponny462
10/21/18 3:25:26 AM
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DezDroppedFreak
10/21/18 3:26:36 AM
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How is pirating not theft
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gunplagirl
10/21/18 3:26:47 AM
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Yeah it's theft if it's new

But like, if Nintendo went around rereleasing certain games, especially ones that were created by now totally defunct (not even acquired) companies then thst means that they'd be profiting off things they didn't make so it's all messed up. That said, they're not likely to rerelease most of the games on their old consoles in any format. So it's the only way most people can get to play seeing as buying used doesn't actually profit the developer.

So like. *shrugs* it really depends. One or more console gens ago, I can't really blame you.
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ModLogic
10/21/18 3:28:32 AM
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dont use the website then. do you wrongfully feel that you are entitled to access sites with ads?
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DezDroppedFreak
10/21/18 3:30:34 AM
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Its a false equivalency
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knutjob
10/21/18 3:37:49 AM
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Kind of but websites brought it upon themselves by using nuisance and ocassionally dangerous ads. Adblock is just a digital condom.
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Thompson
10/21/18 3:48:48 AM
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Ads, especially intrusive and/or annoying ones, very frequently dissuade me from buying the advertized product. So, in the interests of advertizers, it's beneficial for them if my opinion of them and their product remains neutral rather than negative.
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shnangyboos
10/21/18 3:59:01 AM
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Just remember, this dude takes a real hard-nosed stance on people breaking the law.
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ModLogic
10/21/18 3:46:58 PM
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Thompson posted...
Ads, especially intrusive and/or annoying ones, very frequently dissuade me from buying the advertized product. So, in the interests of advertizers, it's beneficial for them if my opinion of them and their product remains neutral rather than negative.

hence you are free to stop using website with ads. still doesn't entitle you to "theft".
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ArchiePeck
10/21/18 3:56:40 PM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
How is pirating not theft


What is being taken?
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Rika_Furude
10/21/18 3:57:42 PM
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Why do you flip flop back and forth between loving/hating piracy and ad blocking

Also, piracy is legally, factually, and morally not theft. Same with ad blocking.
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catboy0_0
10/21/18 3:58:45 PM
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ModLogic posted...
then are you all not stealing potential sales now by blocking ads?

never do I see ads and think "ya know, I'm gonna go buy that product! this ad that slowed my website to a crawl and is intrusive really swayed my decision making process!"
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SSJCAT
10/21/18 4:00:15 PM
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i dont trust pop up ads at all
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DezDroppedFreak
10/21/18 6:02:19 PM
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ArchiePeck posted...
DezDroppedFreak posted...
How is pirating not theft


What is being taken?

Are you being serious or
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DarkTransient
10/21/18 6:05:23 PM
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If you want to argue that piracy is wrong, there's definitely grounds to argue that. But arguing that it actually qualifies as "theft" is ridiculous. You aren't depriving someone of their copy; you're making another copy.
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catboy0_0
10/21/18 6:06:21 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
If you want to argue that piracy is wrong, there's definitely grounds to argue that. But arguing that it actually qualifies as "theft" is ridiculous. You aren't depriving someone of their copy; you're making another copy.

it's funny how people still think this. people haven't moved past the days of yore when possessions were physical objects
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knutjob
10/21/18 6:06:36 PM
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ModLogic posted...
Thompson posted...
Ads, especially intrusive and/or annoying ones, very frequently dissuade me from buying the advertized product. So, in the interests of advertizers, it's beneficial for them if my opinion of them and their product remains neutral rather than negative.

hence you are free to stop using website with ads. still doesn't entitle you to "theft".


Impossible to know what ads a site has without exposing yourself to potentially dangerous ones. Websites have made this bed and it's their job to earn back the trust of the consumer.
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DezDroppedFreak
10/21/18 6:06:52 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
If you want to argue that piracy is wrong, there's definitely grounds to argue that. But arguing that it actually qualifies as "theft" is ridiculous. You aren't depriving someone of their copy; you're making another copy.

Are you being serious or
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Space_Man
10/21/18 6:07:06 PM
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Is writing a bad review illegal cus it loses potential sales
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Philoktetes
10/21/18 6:07:20 PM
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Yes

Adblock is literally stealing from content creators
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Damn_Underscore
10/21/18 6:09:33 PM
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On Neogaf you would get banned for using adblocker, probably the same on resetera
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catboy0_0
10/21/18 6:11:54 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
On Neogaf you would get banned for using adblocker, probably the same on resetera

the difference being you wouldn't get a virus from ads from those sites and they wouldn't grind the website to a halt unlike gamefaqs
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DarkTransient
10/21/18 6:12:22 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
If you want to argue that piracy is wrong, there's definitely grounds to argue that. But arguing that it actually qualifies as "theft" is ridiculous. You aren't depriving someone of their copy; you're making another copy.

it's funny how people still think this. people haven't moved past the days of yore when possessions were physical objects


If I were to go and pirate, say, Final Fantasy XV right now... who loses their copy of FFXV?

If the answer is "no one", it's by definition not theft. And to be very clear here - I'm not saying "it's not wrong", just "it's not theft".
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catboy0_0
10/21/18 6:13:39 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
If you want to argue that piracy is wrong, there's definitely grounds to argue that. But arguing that it actually qualifies as "theft" is ridiculous. You aren't depriving someone of their copy; you're making another copy.

it's funny how people still think this. people haven't moved past the days of yore when possessions were physical objects


If I were to go and pirate, say, Final Fantasy XV right now... who loses their copy of FFXV?

If the answer is "no one", it's by definition not theft. And to be very clear here - I'm not saying "it's not wrong", just "it's not theft".

I see you are entrenched in your ignorant ways. I'll leave you be.
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ModLogic
10/21/18 10:04:36 PM
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Space_Man posted...
Is writing a bad review illegal cus it loses potential sales

yes of course
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Geiki Ganger
10/21/18 10:06:51 PM
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Digital piracy is arguably wrong, but it isn't theft as the term is currently legally defined.

Blame it on the law being outdated, not on the people who are interpreting it as it is written.
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FrisbeeDude
10/21/18 10:11:06 PM
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How much of an entitled child do you have to be to justify using a product or service while intentionally not paying for it?
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Anteaterking
10/21/18 10:12:02 PM
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Identity Theft "Oh it's not like I'm depriving someone of their identity. I'm just making a copy of it for myself!"

To the topic at hand, the difference between piracy and ad blocking is that piracy is not paying for the product/service and getting it anyway, while ad blocking just prevents the seller from attempting to entice you into purchasing something.
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Intro2Logic
10/21/18 10:14:33 PM
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Is squatting in an unused apartment building theft?
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gamer167
10/21/18 10:15:22 PM
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I dislike piracy based on the fact that if everyone started pirating games then companies would stop making profits and would just stop making games.

So pirating only works because the majority of other people that play video games will still pay for them.

Meh other people are going to pay so why should I?. Pretty greedy way to go about things imo, especially for new titles.
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NeoShadowhen
10/21/18 10:21:41 PM
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Geiki Ganger posted...
Digital piracy is arguably wrong, but it isn't theft as the term is currently legally defined.

Blame it on the law being outdated, not on the people who are interpreting it as it is written.


Yeah, it seems to be more like a copyright issue as opposed to theft. I could probably be swayed to agree that such acts of piracy would fall completely on the civil side of things.
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SH_expert44
10/21/18 10:26:24 PM
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Is it theft to take a book from a bookstore and take a high resolution picture of every page?
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Anteaterking
10/21/18 10:27:59 PM
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SH_expert44 posted...
Is it theft to take a book from a bookstore and take a high resolution picture of every page?


It's considered copyright infringement.
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SH_expert44
10/21/18 10:29:02 PM
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Anteaterking posted...

It's considered copyright infringement.

Is it?
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Bad_Mojo
10/21/18 10:29:56 PM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
How is pirating not theft


The way I see it, it's the same as getting a game from a garage sale.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/21/18 10:34:15 PM
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Here's a handy little graphic for the uninformed

http://www.devtopics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/piracyisnottheft.jpg
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Bad_Mojo
10/21/18 11:14:53 PM
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DarkTransient
10/21/18 11:15:22 PM
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SH_expert44 posted...
Is it theft to take a book from a bookstore and take a high resolution picture of every page?


No. But it is piracy.
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Tyranthraxus
10/21/18 11:20:27 PM
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ModLogic posted...
but *if* it were.

then are you all not stealing potential sales now by blocking ads?


1. I don't always block ads
2. Ads don't cost anything to me
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Philoktetes
10/21/18 11:56:50 PM
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piracy is theft

https://imgur.com/AYyjEL2
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Philoktetes
10/21/18 11:57:09 PM
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why do millennials think they're entitle to get whatever they want for free
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catboy0_0
10/21/18 11:58:37 PM
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Philoktetes posted...
piracy is theft

https://imgur.com/AYyjEL2

lol
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Rika_Furude
10/22/18 12:11:04 AM
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catboy0_0 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
If you want to argue that piracy is wrong, there's definitely grounds to argue that. But arguing that it actually qualifies as "theft" is ridiculous. You aren't depriving someone of their copy; you're making another copy.

it's funny how people still think this. people haven't moved past the days of yore when possessions were physical objects

Ive just quoted your post. Your original post is still in tact. You have not lost your original post.
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catboy0_0
10/22/18 12:14:48 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
DarkTransient posted...
If you want to argue that piracy is wrong, there's definitely grounds to argue that. But arguing that it actually qualifies as "theft" is ridiculous. You aren't depriving someone of their copy; you're making another copy.

it's funny how people still think this. people haven't moved past the days of yore when possessions were physical objects

Ive just quoted your post. Your original post is still in tact. You have not lost your original post.

hmm?
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Mareen
10/22/18 12:20:32 AM
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ModLogic posted...
but *if* it were.

then are you all not stealing potential sales now by blocking ads?


I don't use adblocker.
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Darklit_Minuet
10/22/18 12:21:27 AM
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Philoktetes posted...
piracy is theft

https://imgur.com/AYyjEL2

By that logic, acquiring a bike from any other store, building your own bike, or buying a used bike is also theft. Because all those would have the exact same effect - the person gets to have a bike while that store owner keeps their bike but doesn't sell it
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Rika_Furude
10/22/18 12:22:15 AM
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Mareen posted...
ModLogic posted...
but *if* it were.

then are you all not stealing potential sales now by blocking ads?


I don't use adblocker.

Thats quite shit from a security point of view
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