Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Link vs Aloy

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Link has challenged Aloy to a fight! Location of the fight: The Lost Land - A world where time has not much meaning at all, as it appears in Turok: Evolution. There are no portals linking it to Earth, but various kinds of dinosaur will be roaming around. Attackers will start at the location of the level Into The Jungle, with defenders starting at the location of the level The Battle for Galyana.. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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Link is as he appears in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. He is equipped with all tools, runes and blessings except Mipha's Grace and has access to the Master Cycle Zero and the following weapons and equipment: Lizal Tri-Boomerang, Iron Sledgehammer, Savage Lynel Crusher, True Master Sword, one of each Rod, one of each Ancient Weapon, Royal Guard's Claymore, Savage Lynel Bow and all arrows except the Ancient Arrows, Hylian Shield and Fierce Deity Armor Set.

~VS~

Aloy is as she appears in Horizon: Zero Dawn, equipped with every weapon, a full stock of potions and the Shield-Weaver armor. She comes to battle riding a Charger, but may not summon more during the match.

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Stranded in a distant land, two weary adventurers are faced with a single task: Find their counterpart...and eliminate them. FIGHT!
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I haven't finished either game but I feel like Link being able to stop things in time gives him the advantage.
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so how does botw link compare with the other links
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botw link is definitely stronger than the typical link
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Link
Aloy doesnt really have much defense against Urbosas fury, which should do significant damage to the Shield Weavers shield
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Link
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Well, the big gimmick of this version of Link is that he has Stasis. He hits you with it (an instacast spell, then it goes on cooldown) and time is frozen for you while he gets a few seconds to freely hack you up
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note that it's like

1.5 secs

It's not long against significant enemies, and then there's ten secs of CD after.
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I follow the LAW

link
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Does Link have proper defense against Corruption and Tearblaster arrows?

Corruption sends people into a sort of blind rage, where they attack anything closets to them (temporarily, it's not a full possession or anything)

Tearblaster arrows (and a few other Tear-heavy weapons she has) are designed to knock away armor and weapons from people. They sort of explode on impact where they don't do much damage but do a bunch of knockback and work to disarm or tear armor apart.

Also we should probably specify if Aloy gets any heavy weapons (weapons that she can use in limited ammo capacity, but slow her down and aren't part of her basic arsenal:
Deathbringer Gun
Disc Launcher
Firespitter
Firestriker
Mine Launcher
Oseram Cannon
Ravager Cannon

Personally I think maybe she should get a customization that allows for one or two of them?

I think whether she has them makes a huge difference though. Oseram Cannon especially I feel
would devastate Link
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I'm pretty strongly leaning Aloy here

I mean what I've seen from Urbosa's Fury looks good for melee, but with both of them on mounts and both of them good with ranged weapons, I don't see it ever really coming into play

and at a range, I think Aloy's got the advantage
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She has all of them

The idea was to see just how far they can both go at full power (minus Link's revives and instadeath arrows, because they're too gimmicky).
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oh ok if she has all of them

Aloy lol
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Oseram Cannon (jump to 0:35)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG994nztvno" data-time="

note: it was hard to find video of someone using it that wasn't actively bad at it but you get the gist

for the record those big machines in the distance are like the most powerful creatures in the game

http://horizonzerodawn.wikia.com/wiki/Deathbringer
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

She has all of them

The idea was to see just how far they can both go at full power (minus Link's revives and instadeath arrows, because they're too gimmicky).

And a heavy weapon that is only usable at two points in the game, requires an external ammo source, and is not in any way part of Aloys natural Arsenal isnt too gimmicky?
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Also I don't think this version of Link is worried about getting hit by anything that slow, since his thing is swatting laser beams out of the air

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQVnW3_hDYk" data-time="
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DeathChicken posted...

Also I don't think this version of Link is worried about getting hit by anything that slow, since his thing is swatting laser beams out of the air

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQVnW3_hDYk" data-time="

Oh right I gotta mention that this isnt just a game mechanic. It is canon that he has deflected a guardian shot with a pot lid. It was in one of the champion diaries as I recall

Edit: I found it

I hear one of those ancient machine things went nuts during some test and shot out deadly beams! With true Goron spirit, Link grabbed a pot lid from the ground and deflected the blast. He nailed the thing in its weak spot and saved the day.
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Yeah BotW Link is kinda insane with his parrying/swatting laser beams away like it's nothing. Gotta vote with Link
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hombad46 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

She has all of them

The idea was to see just how far they can both go at full power (minus Link's revives and instadeath arrows, because they're too gimmicky).

And a heavy weapon that is only usable at two points in the game, requires an external ammo source, and is not in any way part of Aloys natural Arsenal isnt too gimmicky?

If it needs an external ammo source it's a fancy paperweight, j/s

But yes, it's not nearly as gimmicky as an attack that oneshots everything but bosses (who no sell for reasons of avoiding the game turning ultra boring) because that shit isn't quantifiable. Use your best judgement here - if you think the setpiece gun isn't really part of her arsenal, it's not. I'm not being terribly strict here so long as people are voting in good faith.
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Hey, bosses don't no-sell Ancient Arrows, it just beats the crap out of them
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DeathChicken posted...

Hey, bosses don't no-sell Ancient Arrows, it just beats the crap out of them

Oh word? I thought they just took like, solid-but-not-amazing damage? Man what are those arrows even made of compared to everything else if they just explode bosses too
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Link could just stasis Aloy or the charger to separate them, couldn't he? Or even just grab it with magnesis and fling it around.

How much of Aloy's stuff is metal, actually? From what little I know of the game I figure the answer is "most or all of it", and magnesis could ruin her day if so.
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vin for mercs imho
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Somebody who played BotW field that one pls

I assume it will just hit both as if they were one unit, but I don't see any rider/mount combos among the BotW enemy list?
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Somebody who played BotW field that one pls

I assume it will just hit both as if they were one unit, but I don't see any rider/mount combos among the BotW enemy list?

Stasis only affects one enemy of a rider/mount pair, so if you use it on the rider theyre left floating in the air as the mount runs off
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There are mounted enemies in BotW, there's no way someone hasn't made a video stasising an enemy on a horse lol
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Drakeryn posted...

vin for mercs imho

Bookmerx will be my final masterpiece, just you wait

(still unbelievably salty nobody took up the literary merx challenge. I so badly wanted to argue Harry Potter, Drizzt Do'Urden and Harry Dresden vs a mercenary team)
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hombad46 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Somebody who played BotW field that one pls

I assume it will just hit both as if they were one unit, but I don't see any rider/mount combos among the BotW enemy list?

Stasis only affects one enemy of a rider/mount pair, so if you use it on the rider theyre left floating in the air as the mount runs off

Shonen_Bat posted...

There are mounted enemies in BotW, there's no way someone hasn't made a video stasising an enemy on a horse lol

Well then

That's actually a legit use of Stasis IMO and pretty brutal for Aloy. If she's unhorsed her mobility falls off a cliff compared to 'actually on a motorcycle' Link.
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Shonen_Bat posted...

How much of Aloy's stuff is metal, actually? From what little I know of the game I figure the answer is "most or all of it", and magnesis could ruin her day if so.

Many of her weapons combine pieces of metal, usually with non-metal bases. Take that how you will

except the heavy weapons, they're 100% metal
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

hombad46 posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Somebody who played BotW field that one pls

I assume it will just hit both as if they were one unit, but I don't see any rider/mount combos among the BotW enemy list?

Stasis only affects one enemy of a rider/mount pair, so if you use it on the rider theyre left floating in the air as the mount runs off

Shonen_Bat posted...

There are mounted enemies in BotW, there's no way someone hasn't made a video stasising an enemy on a horse lol

Well then

That's actually a legit use of Stasis IMO and pretty brutal for Aloy. If she's unhorsed her mobility falls off a cliff compared to 'actually on a motorcycle' Link.

The same thing applies against Link though

Those tear blaster arrows are either gonna destroy his bike or at least send him far away from it

and it's not like she has to be deadly accurate with it either, given it's sizable blast range
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As for the heavy weapons, here's how I see it

I imagine they start with her at the starting point?

If it's a tight corridor-type terrain, she's leaving them behind, and they're not doing much

If it's a more open environment where enemies will be coming from the Horizon, they're brutal to defend with
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It's basically a world

It's literally every single environment from one of the Turok games and the dinos (but not the other monsters you face) are still there. Think like the environs Link and Aloy explore in their own games, but belonging to a different franchise.
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The motorcycle can be summoned to wherever Link is, yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWPRkKRflqc" data-time="
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So lets see.
Close combat: Urbosas Fury should make that easy for Link
Ranged combat: Both are skilled archers, Aloy being allowed heavy weapons could help her, but Link could also just deflect shots from some of the slower firing ones like the disc launcher. Dont really have a decisive winner here.
Mobility: Revalis Gale, the Paraglider, and the Master Cycle Zero are better than a charger. Also Link is better at climbing and doesnt need hand holds in place.
Armor: Im not familiar with the armor set Link was given but the Shield Weaver is good only if Aloy manages to avoid taking consecutive hits. Once the shield breaks it wont help her much.
Tracking skills: I dont really recall Link displaying any of these while Aloy has her Focus to help her. If it turns into a battle of who finds the other first I guess Ill go Aloy

still at the moment Im sticking with my original vote of Link
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On the note of BotW lore, I think there's a diary somewhere in there where they explain Link's arrow bullet time as just being really, stupidly fast with his arrows. Like it's a Point Man type deal where the slow-mo isn't some magical effect he conjures, he's just so quick that everything else seems slow
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Can Link parry shots while riding his motorcycle?

Also, what's the range on magnesis and stasis?
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DeathChicken posted...

On the note of BotW lore, I think there's a diary somewhere in there where they explain Link's arrow bullet time as just being really, stupidly fast with his arrows. Like it's a Point Man type deal where the slow-mo isn't some magical effect he conjures, he's just so quick that everything else seems slow

Isn't the pointman using psychic speedup powers IIRC? Or am I misremembering FEAR, I think that's how it worked, so it'd be a bit different from Link if so

this said damn, Link is lookin FRESH with BotW, finally
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Why does Link have a goddamn motorcycle now?
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Aside from Link being able to stop time with Stasis+, both Teba and Daruk mention that Link canonically acts extremely fast like time is slowed down, meaning the bullet time from flurry rushing and jumping in the air while shooting arrows is canon

what's the range on magnesis and stasis?

You have to be pretty close to use Magnesis (maybe 30ft-ish?), but Stasis can stop anything that Link can see. It also separates bokoblins from horses when used, as mentioned above.

This seems like Link's match easily, unless there's an Aloy supporter out there that isn't telling us about her game breaking abilities.
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redrocket posted...

Why does Link have a goddamn motorcycle now?

BotW DLC hit and gave him that as a reward, it fuckin owns



Fuck Epona, this is the new hotness now
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Yeah it wasn't a diary, it's that bit where Teba makes you shoot archery targets. He basically goes "Okay, I set that up thinking nothing of you but it was like time wasn't moving while you shot those."
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Yeah Stasis+blessings tips it for me, I don't know how they match up at range but Aloy's mount is next to useless and once Link closes in it's over

Link comes to town
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So thinking about this a bit...Link has this I think. The unhorsing via Stasis gives him a nice early advantage, and then he can close in with his special magic shields and do good work. It's not gonna be an easy fight, but I think he can beat Aloy.
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It seems like if it comes down to a direct fight Link should win easily, but if they both start far away and have to search each other out? Aloy should take that pretty decisively. She's a great tracker aided by her Focus letting her outright see through solid objects at pretty long distance, and using stealth to hunt down and pick off enemies without them ever really knowing she's there is what she does. If Link can't survive an arrow to the head (and given she can actually damage Deathbringers, whose armor should be a lot tougher than any modern day tank, with her bow, she's packing some serious punch with those arrows) he's not likely to even get to do anything.
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Is Aloy good enough at stealthing to pull that off? Up above, it was mentioned that Link was skilled enough to parry away lasers. If Aloy really is super sneaky I could reconsider my vote though.
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For what its worth, Stasis highlights anything it can freeze as long as they're not hiding behind solid objects, so Link has some form rudimentary tracking. I don't know how Turok's world is designed, though, so I don't know if that would help him much.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Is Aloy good enough at stealthing to pull that off? Up above, it was mentioned that Link was skilled enough to parry away lasers. If Aloy really is super sneaky I could reconsider my vote though.

The Shield Weaver armor doesn't allow for any modifications and has no boost to stealth on its own. In game she can only stealth in certain patches of grass. I don't think she's particularly stealthy though no
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Oh, and as someone mentioned that stasis reveals targetable items/creatures, magnesis also reveals things that can be targeted, and as Aloy's Charger would be made of metal, it would most likely show up. He could potentially use that to give away her position, but I guess that would require him to know he's looking for something metal in the first place.
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hombad46 posted...

I don't think she's particularly stealthy though no

I mean, she regularly hunts down robots that are specifically designed to search for humans

She has sensors that can track movements and even determine the path of people she sees. She has plenty of traps and has even been able to hunt robots that are literally invisible
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Link
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