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Nuffinz0rz
10/27/18 5:38:56 PM
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1.) Mass shooting occurs
2.) Post something along the lines of "we need change" on facebook
3.) Do nothing else
4.) Mass shooting occurs
5.) Post something along the lines of "we need change" on facebook
6.) Do nothing else

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Unimpressed
10/27/18 5:39:39 PM
#2:


What exactly do you propose people do?
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Menardii
10/27/18 5:39:40 PM
#3:


Why did you post this on your alt
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FLUFFYGERM
10/27/18 5:39:47 PM
#4:


you forgot steps 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, and 5.5 - far left radicals demand outright gun bans which alienates people from wanting to implement any stricter type of legislation because they're afraid of the slippery slope
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1NfamousACE_2
10/27/18 5:40:27 PM
#5:


NRA owns the GOP
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GallisOTK
10/27/18 5:40:53 PM
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You forgot the "people say not to politicize mass shootings" step that goes between 2 and 3 on your list.
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10/27/18 5:41:09 PM
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 5:42:10 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
you forgot steps 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, and 5.5 - far left radicals demand outright gun bans which alienates people from wanting to implement any stricter type of legislation because they're afraid of the slippery slope


And at the same time, they shoot down any alternative proposal that could help. Metal detectors and shit in schools? Despite that some schools already have those and shootings at those ones are pretty much unheard of - despite often being schools in areas with higher rates of gun violence in general, so you'd think if anything they'd be more prone to it - "nope, that won't work".
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1NfamousACE_2
10/27/18 5:44:10 PM
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TiamatLover posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
you forgot steps 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, and 5.5 - far left radicals demand outright gun bans which alienates people from wanting to implement any stricter type of legislation because they're afraid of the slippery slope


And at the same time, they shoot down any alternative proposal that could help. Metal detectors and shit in schools? Despite that some schools already have those and shootings at those ones are pretty much unheard of - despite often being schools in areas with higher rates of gun violence in general, so you'd think if anything they'd be more prone to it - "nope, that won't work".


The problem I have with metal detectors is that the person coming in to do the shooting knows the people inside don't have a gun.

Obviously, that doesn't do anything with school shootings.
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Irregardless
10/27/18 5:44:13 PM
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Proudclad is being disingenuous acting as if conservatives are willing to listen to any kind of change at all.
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 5:46:58 PM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
you forgot steps 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, and 5.5 - far left radicals demand outright gun bans which alienates people from wanting to implement any stricter type of legislation because they're afraid of the slippery slope


And at the same time, they shoot down any alternative proposal that could help. Metal detectors and shit in schools? Despite that some schools already have those and shootings at those ones are pretty much unheard of - despite often being schools in areas with higher rates of gun violence in general, so you'd think if anything they'd be more prone to it - "nope, that won't work".


The problem I have with metal detectors is that the person coming in to do the shooting knows the people inside don't have a gun.

Obviously, that doesn't do anything with school shootings.


I mean, at most schools, they know that anyway, due to gun-free zone laws and all.

And that doesn't negate that in practice, schools with such detectors have less (if any) shootings than schools that don't.
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ultimate reaver
10/27/18 5:47:26 PM
#13:


It's Too Early To Talk About That
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Solid Sonic
10/27/18 5:48:54 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
It's Too Early To Talk About That

I'll be the first to admit I don't like the idea of banning the sale of certain weapons in the wake of mass violence.
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1NfamousACE_2
10/27/18 5:49:53 PM
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TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
you forgot steps 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, and 5.5 - far left radicals demand outright gun bans which alienates people from wanting to implement any stricter type of legislation because they're afraid of the slippery slope


And at the same time, they shoot down any alternative proposal that could help. Metal detectors and shit in schools? Despite that some schools already have those and shootings at those ones are pretty much unheard of - despite often being schools in areas with higher rates of gun violence in general, so you'd think if anything they'd be more prone to it - "nope, that won't work".


The problem I have with metal detectors is that the person coming in to do the shooting knows the people inside don't have a gun.

Obviously, that doesn't do anything with school shootings.


I mean, at most schools, they know that anyway, due to gun-free zone laws and all.

And that doesn't negate that in practice, schools with such detectors have less (if any) shootings than schools that don't.


So, if schools are gun-free zones and they know everyone inside doesn't have guns, what does metal detectors do?
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 5:55:21 PM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
you forgot steps 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, and 5.5 - far left radicals demand outright gun bans which alienates people from wanting to implement any stricter type of legislation because they're afraid of the slippery slope


And at the same time, they shoot down any alternative proposal that could help. Metal detectors and shit in schools? Despite that some schools already have those and shootings at those ones are pretty much unheard of - despite often being schools in areas with higher rates of gun violence in general, so you'd think if anything they'd be more prone to it - "nope, that won't work".


The problem I have with metal detectors is that the person coming in to do the shooting knows the people inside don't have a gun.

Obviously, that doesn't do anything with school shootings.


I mean, at most schools, they know that anyway, due to gun-free zone laws and all.

And that doesn't negate that in practice, schools with such detectors have less (if any) shootings than schools that don't.


So, if schools are gun-free zones and they know everyone inside doesn't have guns, what does metal detectors do?


Gun-free zone laws only affect those who choose to abide by them. In general, that's going to mean the teachers, security, etc do abide by it, while mass shooters don't.

Metal detectors detect a gun regardless of your intentions.
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1NfamousACE_2
10/27/18 5:58:46 PM
#17:


TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
you forgot steps 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, and 5.5 - far left radicals demand outright gun bans which alienates people from wanting to implement any stricter type of legislation because they're afraid of the slippery slope


And at the same time, they shoot down any alternative proposal that could help. Metal detectors and shit in schools? Despite that some schools already have those and shootings at those ones are pretty much unheard of - despite often being schools in areas with higher rates of gun violence in general, so you'd think if anything they'd be more prone to it - "nope, that won't work".


The problem I have with metal detectors is that the person coming in to do the shooting knows the people inside don't have a gun.

Obviously, that doesn't do anything with school shootings.


I mean, at most schools, they know that anyway, due to gun-free zone laws and all.

And that doesn't negate that in practice, schools with such detectors have less (if any) shootings than schools that don't.


So, if schools are gun-free zones and they know everyone inside doesn't have guns, what does metal detectors do?


Gun-free zone laws only affect those who choose to abide by them. In general, that's going to mean the teachers, security, etc do abide by it, while mass shooters don't.

Metal detectors detect a gun regardless of your intentions.


But if someone is planning a school shooting, then the mass shooter doesn't care about the gun-free zones.

I would say school shootings don't happen in schools with metal detectors because a majority of those schools are in urban areas and mass school shootings don't happen there.
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 6:01:24 PM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
you forgot steps 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, and 5.5 - far left radicals demand outright gun bans which alienates people from wanting to implement any stricter type of legislation because they're afraid of the slippery slope


And at the same time, they shoot down any alternative proposal that could help. Metal detectors and shit in schools? Despite that some schools already have those and shootings at those ones are pretty much unheard of - despite often being schools in areas with higher rates of gun violence in general, so you'd think if anything they'd be more prone to it - "nope, that won't work".


The problem I have with metal detectors is that the person coming in to do the shooting knows the people inside don't have a gun.

Obviously, that doesn't do anything with school shootings.


I mean, at most schools, they know that anyway, due to gun-free zone laws and all.

And that doesn't negate that in practice, schools with such detectors have less (if any) shootings than schools that don't.


So, if schools are gun-free zones and they know everyone inside doesn't have guns, what does metal detectors do?


Gun-free zone laws only affect those who choose to abide by them. In general, that's going to mean the teachers, security, etc do abide by it, while mass shooters don't.

Metal detectors detect a gun regardless of your intentions.


But if someone is planning a school shooting, then the mass shooter doesn't care about the gun-free zones.

I would say school shootings don't happen in schools with metal detectors because a majority of those schools are in urban areas and mass school shootings don't happen there.


...because the shooters get detected as soon as they try to enter, instead of only when they start shooting. With that being the case, it's barely even worth trying - they'll pop over to a school without one.
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1NfamousACE_2
10/27/18 6:04:33 PM
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Unless he starts shooting the person at the metal detector.
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averagejoel
10/27/18 6:05:53 PM
#20:


Irregardless posted...
Proudclad is being disingenuous acting as if conservatives are willing to listen to any kind of change at all.

also pretending that most far left people are anti-gun
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ModLogic
10/27/18 6:07:20 PM
#21:


dont forget the "too soon" jackasses and the "ish nut da gunz ish dat keel" goombas
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C_Pain
10/27/18 6:07:35 PM
#22:


oh man... people who try to be smart and post these "Here we go again, thoughts and prayers and then nothing will happen" (read this is a smarmy nerdy voice) are perhaps now more annoying then the issue itself
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 6:08:10 PM
#23:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Unless he starts shooting the person at the metal detector.


Which still means he's been detected when trying to enter, rather than when he's already inside.

And you're again ignoring the fact that shootings are far less common at schools that have these. Even if it only has an effect through being a psychological deterrent, it clearly is doing something.
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ultimate reaver
10/27/18 6:10:42 PM
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C_Pain posted...
oh man... people who try to be smart and post these "Here we go again, thoughts and prayers and then nothing will happen" (read this is a smarmy nerdy voice) are perhaps now more annoying then the issue itself


Mass shootings are annoying to you?
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1NfamousACE_2
10/27/18 6:10:47 PM
#25:


TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Unless he starts shooting the person at the metal detector.


Which still means he's been detected when trying to enter, rather than when he's already inside.

And you're again ignoring the fact that shootings are far less common at schools that have these. Even if it only has an effect through being a psychological deterrent, it clearly is doing something.


Where are the schools that have these?

You're ignoring that fact. Schools in white areas don't have metal detectors, and thats where the school shootings happen because a majority (if not all) of the school shooters have been white.

Metal detectors are usually if not only at schools in urban areas, and school shootings don't happen there.
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C_Pain
10/27/18 6:11:02 PM
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Yes they are
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Doom_Art
10/27/18 6:11:31 PM
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People did do stuff after Parkland and conservatives proceeded to completely flip their fucking shit, so Iunno
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 6:12:53 PM
#29:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Unless he starts shooting the person at the metal detector.


Which still means he's been detected when trying to enter, rather than when he's already inside.

And you're again ignoring the fact that shootings are far less common at schools that have these. Even if it only has an effect through being a psychological deterrent, it clearly is doing something.


Where are the schools that have these?

You're ignoring that fact. Schools in white areas don't have metal detectors, and thats where the school shootings happen because a majority (if not all) of the school shooters have been white.

Metal detectors are usually if not only at schools in urban areas, and school shootings don't happen there.


Or, perhaps the majority have been white because schools in white areas are much more suitable targets, due to the lack of as much security. Yeah, that sounds a lot more reasonable than your racist theory.
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Dragon239
10/27/18 6:13:18 PM
#30:


Correlation does not imply causation.

I'm wondering why a metal detector would be an obstacle to a person who just wants to shoot people anyways.
Why wouldn't they just shoot the person at the metal detector? Where are these metal detectors installed now, physically, at the school?
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1NfamousACE_2
10/27/18 6:15:10 PM
#31:


TiamatLover posted...
Or, perhaps the majority have been white because schools in white areas are much more suitable targets, due to the lack of as much security. Yeah, that sounds a lot more reasonable than your racist theory.


Or because the majority of the school shooters have been white so they shoot up schools in white areas and it just so happens that those schools don't have metal detectors?
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1NfamousACE_2
10/27/18 6:15:37 PM
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Dragon239 posted...
Correlation does not imply causation.

I'm wondering why a metal detector would be an obstacle to a person who just wants to shoot people anyways.
Why wouldn't they just shoot the person at the metal detector? Where are these metal detectors installed now, physically, at the school?


Same thing I've been wondering.
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Dark_Spiret
10/27/18 6:15:43 PM
#33:


the whole thing has been discussed to death and usually ends in yelling and ignoring. what is something new that could be brought to the table that could get both sides to listen at this point? everyone has their stances set in stone and if 20 little kids getting shot down or 250 at a concert didnt change it then i dont know what anyone could plan to talk about to change anyones mind.
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KobeSystem
10/27/18 6:18:02 PM
#34:


TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Unless he starts shooting the person at the metal detector.


Which still means he's been detected when trying to enter, rather than when he's already inside.

And you're again ignoring the fact that shootings are far less common at schools that have these. Even if it only has an effect through being a psychological deterrent, it clearly is doing something.


Where are the schools that have these?

You're ignoring that fact. Schools in white areas don't have metal detectors, and thats where the school shootings happen because a majority (if not all) of the school shooters have been white.

Metal detectors are usually if not only at schools in urban areas, and school shootings don't happen there.


Or, perhaps the majority have been white because schools in white areas are much more suitable targets, due to the lack of as much security. Yeah, that sounds a lot more reasonable than your racist theory.


Youre.literally on the same side of the argument lmao
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RaptorLC
10/27/18 6:26:31 PM
#35:


Irregardless posted...
Proudclad is being disingenuous


There's literally never a time where this is not the case.
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cmiller4642
10/27/18 6:27:16 PM
#36:


Point is Republicans flat out value the ability to buy guns at Wal Mart over the lives of people in the United States.
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FLUFFYGERM
10/27/18 6:28:08 PM
#37:


averagejoel posted...
Irregardless posted...
Proudclad is being disingenuous acting as if conservatives are willing to listen to any kind of change at all.

also pretending that most far left people are anti-gun


you certainly don't see most of the anti gun people being anything but far left
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 6:28:13 PM
#38:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
Or, perhaps the majority have been white because schools in white areas are much more suitable targets, due to the lack of as much security. Yeah, that sounds a lot more reasonable than your racist theory.


Or because the majority of the school shooters have been white so they shoot up schools in white areas and it just so happens that those schools don't have metal detectors?


Hm, let's think about that for a second. What's the more likely factor in whether or not a shooting occurs at a school. The racial makeup of the area, or how secure they are against shootings?
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1NfamousACE_2
10/27/18 6:29:13 PM
#39:


TiamatLover posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
TiamatLover posted...
Or, perhaps the majority have been white because schools in white areas are much more suitable targets, due to the lack of as much security. Yeah, that sounds a lot more reasonable than your racist theory.


Or because the majority of the school shooters have been white so they shoot up schools in white areas and it just so happens that those schools don't have metal detectors?


Hm, let's think about that for a second. What's the more likely factor in whether or not a shooting occurs at a school. The racial makeup of the area, or how secure they are against shootings?


The racial makeup of the area
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Sphyx
10/28/18 3:15:11 AM
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TiamatLover posted...
And at the same time, they shoot down any alternative proposal that could help.

Hopes and prayers?
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