Current Events > Family suing University when daughter dies after pancake eating contest

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This is were I feel like Libertarians really get it right.

Liberals and conservatives are like "I died because I ate waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many pancakes. And that's YOUR fault I did that!"

And it's fucking stupid.

Take some responsibility.


And "they did it to themselves" isn't a good excuse to organize a suicide club or have game shows like Fear Factor risk people's lives even if they sign up for it.

Why not?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

This is were I feel like Libertarians really get it right.

Liberals and conservatives are like "I died because I ate waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many pancakes. And that's YOUR fault I did that!"

And it's fucking stupid.

Take some responsibility.


And "they did it to themselves" isn't a good excuse to organize a suicide club or have game shows like Fear Factor risk people's lives even if they sign up for it.

Why not?

Are you actually stupid enough to think it's ok to host a suicide club or that game shows wouldn't be help responsible for someone dying due to a stunt on their show?

fenderbender321 posted...

Why should sports be considered so much different than an eating contest? Sports are contests. And people die competing in them. Eating contests are contests. And people die eating in them. Please explain (using tangible references) why they should be treated different in terms of accountability of who is putting them on.

What if I called up my friends and said "hey let's have a race to see who's the fastest", and then we meet up at a park and race and one of my friends trips and paralyzes himself. Should he be able to sue me? Why or why not?

This is stupid. There are major liability issues in sports. The whole CTE lawsuit thing. That Maryland University student who died of overheating this year. Sports can be dangerous and various people and groups are in charge of trying to mitigate risks.

You propose this with such a false premise as if no one has ever debated the risks associated with sports and the liability surrounding it.
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PBusted posted...

Are you actually stupid enough to think it's ok to host a suicide club or that game shows wouldn't be help responsible for someone dying due to a stunt on their show?

Jumped from Fear Factor and pie-eating contests to suicide.

But no I don't think suicide should be illegal. And while you can make a case for it being illegal to distritube footage of people killing themselves, you can't blame a dude with a camera for another dude jumping off a cliff.

That's madness.

It's not McDonalds fault that you ate that burger.
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Treating eating like it's a game.

No wonder other countries hate us.

That's one girl who didn't know how to swallow.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

Are you actually stupid enough to think it's ok to host a suicide club or that game shows wouldn't be help responsible for someone dying due to a stunt on their show?

Jumped from Fear Factor and pie-eating contests to suicide.

But no I don't think suicide should be illegal. And while you can make a case for it being illegal to distritube footage of people killing themselves, you can't blame a dude with a camera for another dude jumping off a cliff.

That's madness.

It's not McDonalds fault that you ate that burger.

UnfairRepresent posted...

And "they did it to themselves" isn't a good excuse to organize a suicide club or have game shows like Fear Factor risk people's lives even if they sign up for it

Why not?

Yes we get it. You're lacking in intelligence and reading comprehension.
This is not about suicide being illegal. This is about encouraging suicide and other life risking behavior being illegal. A suicide club would be encouraging its members to commit suicide. A game show would not be allowed to have their players play real Russian Roulette.
It's why mandatory safety guidelines exist in the first place rather than "hurr durr our workplace is a dangerous hazard but you guys signed up for it!"
Should be common sense for children but it's never been something you and fender had

I hate that people sue over some one doing something stupid that gets them killed.
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Snip-N-Snails posted...

Lonestar2000 posted...

I hate that people sue over some one doing something stupid that gets them killed.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/jury-rules-radio-station-jennifer-strange-water-drinking/story?id=8970712

I remember that. How could she hold it in, though? You'd think eventually it would be uncontrollable and there would be a super strong piss stream that would last for a long time.

They should sue the parents for inflicting such a blight of natural selection on their university.
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It's clearly the parents' fault for not teaching her how to swallow.
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SageHarpuia posted...

It's clearly the parents' fault for not teaching her how to swallow.

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Snip-N-Snails posted...

Lonestar2000 posted...

I hate that people sue over some one doing something stupid that gets them killed.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/jury-rules-radio-station-jennifer-strange-water-drinking/story?id=8970712

Yay, stupidity being rewarded.
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VipaGTS posted...

Yea I feel like if youre going to have a mass contest like this, where potential life threatening problems could arise, its the universities responsibility to have a full medical team at hand just in case...not a few nursing students who just happened to be there. People like Matt Stonie and them train constantly to participate in these contests the right way and even they get medical people on hand. Accidents happen, especially when the participants have no idea what theyre doing.

This is a good point.
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PBusted posted...

This is not about suicide being illegal. This is about encouraging suicide and other life risking behavior being illegal. A suicide club would be encouraging its members to commit suicide. A game show would not be allowed to have their players play real Russian Roulette.

And as I said, I can see the argument for it being illegal to broadcast people playing Russian Roulette. That's a debatable stance.

Won't I don't accept is that it is the guy holding the camera's fault that people playing Russian Roulette shot themselves.

Personality responsibility is a thing.
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Places holding contests like this have a responsibility to ensure safety of the participants. That goes for the water drinking contest too
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Every person is responsible for having medical personnel at the ready at all times. If you give someone a bottle of water and they drown on it that's on you.
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Schools should just require everyone be in inflatable bubbles while on campus in case someone bumps into someone else and they get a booboo
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SageHarpuia posted...

Every person is responsible for having medical personnel at the ready at all times. If you give someone a bottle of water and they drown on it that's on you.

I always wonder if people think they're being clever when they post dumb shit like this
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eston posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

Every person is responsible for having medical personnel at the ready at all times. If you give someone a bottle of water and they drown on it that's on you.

I always wonder if people think they're being clever when they post dumb shit like this

It was an eating contest not a fucking knife throwing competition
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SageHarpuia posted...

It was an eating contest not a fucking knife throwing competition

Eating contests normally have medical staff on-hand, in fact officially sanctioned eating contests require it
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UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

This is not about suicide being illegal. This is about encouraging suicide and other life risking behavior being illegal. A suicide club would be encouraging its members to commit suicide. A game show would not be allowed to have their players play real Russian Roulette.

And as I said, I can see the argument for it being illegal to broadcast people playing Russian Roulette. That's a debatable stance.

Won't I don't accept is that it is the guy holding the camera's fault that people playing Russian Roulette shot themselves.

Personality responsibility is a thing.

I know you're just pretending to be stupid on purpose to commit to your dumb contrarian gimmick .No one is talking about being an observer. It's about organizing the event in the first place.

PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

This is not about suicide being illegal. This is about encouraging suicide and other life risking behavior being illegal. A suicide club would be encouraging its members to commit suicide. A game show would not be allowed to have their players play real Russian Roulette.

And as I said, I can see the argument for it being illegal to broadcast people playing Russian Roulette. That's a debatable stance.

Won't I don't accept is that it is the guy holding the camera's fault that people playing Russian Roulette shot themselves.

Personality responsibility is a thing.

I know you're just pretending to be stupid on purpose to commit to your dumb contrarian gimmick .No one is talking about being an observer. It's about organizing the event in the first place.

I still don't get how that eliminates personal responsibility.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

This is not about suicide being illegal. This is about encouraging suicide and other life risking behavior being illegal. A suicide club would be encouraging its members to commit suicide. A game show would not be allowed to have their players play real Russian Roulette.

And as I said, I can see the argument for it being illegal to broadcast people playing Russian Roulette. That's a debatable stance.

Won't I don't accept is that it is the guy holding the camera's fault that people playing Russian Roulette shot themselves.

Personality responsibility is a thing.

I know you're just pretending to be stupid on purpose to commit to your dumb contrarian gimmick .No one is talking about being an observer. It's about organizing the event in the first place.

I still don't get how that eliminates personal responsibility.

I understand you have a lot of trouble grasping things but this doesn't eliminate personal responsibility. Personal responsibility applies to many people including the ones who improperly organized a dangerous event without the proper warnings and guidelines.
Or do you think encouraging/assisting suicide should be legal because "personal responsibility"? That game shows are allowed to have real death recorded or otherwise as long as they sign up for it?

PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

This is not about suicide being illegal. This is about encouraging suicide and other life risking behavior being illegal. A suicide club would be encouraging its members to commit suicide. A game show would not be allowed to have their players play real Russian Roulette.

And as I said, I can see the argument for it being illegal to broadcast people playing Russian Roulette. That's a debatable stance.

Won't I don't accept is that it is the guy holding the camera's fault that people playing Russian Roulette shot themselves.

Personality responsibility is a thing.

I know you're just pretending to be stupid on purpose to commit to your dumb contrarian gimmick .No one is talking about being an observer. It's about organizing the event in the first place.

I can assure you he's not pretending to be stupid. Especially not with his severe mental condition
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SageHarpuia posted...

It's clearly the parents' fault for not teaching her how to swallow.

Especially her dad. He should've taught her how to swallow a long time ago.
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Learning posted...

PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

This is not about suicide being illegal. This is about encouraging suicide and other life risking behavior being illegal. A suicide club would be encouraging its members to commit suicide. A game show would not be allowed to have their players play real Russian Roulette.

And as I said, I can see the argument for it being illegal to broadcast people playing Russian Roulette. That's a debatable stance.

Won't I don't accept is that it is the guy holding the camera's fault that people playing Russian Roulette shot themselves.

Personality responsibility is a thing.

I know you're just pretending to be stupid on purpose to commit to your dumb contrarian gimmick .No one is talking about being an observer. It's about organizing the event in the first place.

I can assure you he's not pretending to be stupid. Especially not with his severe mental condition

The thing he's playing stupid on is him knowing that organizers are held responsible for things they don't take the proper care for so he's purposely deflecting to something unrelated like being a camera man (special pleading https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/163/Special-Pleading). Though whether he actually believes that's a valid argument or not is up in the air and I'm inclined to believe your judgement on it.

PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

This is not about suicide being illegal. This is about encouraging suicide and other life risking behavior being illegal. A suicide club would be encouraging its members to commit suicide. A game show would not be allowed to have their players play real Russian Roulette.

And as I said, I can see the argument for it being illegal to broadcast people playing Russian Roulette. That's a debatable stance.

Won't I don't accept is that it is the guy holding the camera's fault that people playing Russian Roulette shot themselves.

Personality responsibility is a thing.

I know you're just pretending to be stupid on purpose to commit to your dumb contrarian gimmick .No one is talking about being an observer. It's about organizing the event in the first place.

I still don't get how that eliminates personal responsibility.

I understand you have a lot of trouble grasping things but this doesn't eliminate personal responsibility. Personal responsibility applies to many people including the ones who improperly organized a dangerous event without the proper warnings and guidelines.

Russian Roulette has no guidelines or "proper warnings." it's just suicide.

And if you do it, it's not the fault of the guy filming you even if she told you that she was going to film you doing it, you still did it.

You can't have it both ways, you can't flip from Fear Factor and Pie Eating contests to suicide when your argument fails.

And then when your suicide argument fails flip back to Pie eating contests and fear factor.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

This is not about suicide being illegal. This is about encouraging suicide and other life risking behavior being illegal. A suicide club would be encouraging its members to commit suicide. A game show would not be allowed to have their players play real Russian Roulette.

And as I said, I can see the argument for it being illegal to broadcast people playing Russian Roulette. That's a debatable stance.

Won't I don't accept is that it is the guy holding the camera's fault that people playing Russian Roulette shot themselves.

Personality responsibility is a thing.

I know you're just pretending to be stupid on purpose to commit to your dumb contrarian gimmick .No one is talking about being an observer. It's about organizing the event in the first place.

I still don't get how that eliminates personal responsibility.

I understand you have a lot of trouble grasping things but this doesn't eliminate personal responsibility. Personal responsibility applies to many people including the ones who improperly organized a dangerous event without the proper warnings and guidelines.

Russian Roulette has no guidelines or "proper warnings." it's just suicide.

And if you do it, it's not the fault of the guy filming you even if she told you that she was going to film you doing it, you still did it.

You can't have it both ways, you can't flip from Fear Factor and Pie Eating contests to suicide when your argument fails.

And then when your suicide argument fails flip back to Pie eating contests and fear factor.

I'm talking about a game show putting Russian Roulette as an event, obviously. It has nothing to do with filming and everything about organizing a dangerous event. Stop playing stupid.

I don't understand how "eating contests" are even a thing...far too much risk for little to no benefit involved. (Also, the very concept just seems utterly repulsive to me.)
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SageHarpuia posted...

Every person is responsible for having medical personnel at the ready at all times. If you give someone a bottle of water and they drown on it that's on you.

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PBusted posted...

I'm talking about a game show putting Russian Roulette as an event,

Which is illegal and wouldn't happen.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

I'm talking about a game show putting Russian Roulette as an event,

Which is illegal and wouldn't happen.

Finally you're getting it. Yes, exactly, just like this is and for the same reason.

@Conflict posted...

One is athletic and another has zero benefits.

Conflict posted...

For fun or prize rewards

Fun and prize rewards are benefits.
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PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

I'm talking about a game show putting Russian Roulette as an event,

Which is illegal and wouldn't happen.

Finally you're getting it. Yes, exactly, just like this is and for the same reason.

No a pie eating contest is not comparable to Russian Roulette, that's silly.

It's illegal to drive a tank across the Golden Gate Bridge that doesn't make it illegal to drive a car
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fenderbender321 posted...

PBusted posted...

"I was incited" isn't a good enough excuse for me
And "they did it to themselves" isn't a good excuse to organize a suicide club or have game shows like Fear Factor risk people's lives even if they sign up for it.

I disagree. People should be free to make choices. Our bodies are ours to expend, are they not?

I hate to say it but I agree.

I'm not fond of this idea of shifting your personal responsibility onto other people just because you made bad decisions.
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People who aren't mentally handicapped understand that personal responsibility applies to organizing contests like that in the first place
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Learning posted...

People who aren't mentally handicapped understand that personal responsibility applies to organizing contests like that in the first place

So if a chick organizes a sack race and you pull out an Uzi and shoot 7 people, it's her fault for organizing it?

I mean she could have had bullet proof vests issued and armed guards complete with invasive strip searches and metal detectors.

That's not how cause and effect works.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

PBusted posted...

I'm talking about a game show putting Russian Roulette as an event,

Which is illegal and wouldn't happen.

Finally you're getting it. Yes, exactly, just like this is and for the same reason.

No a pie eating contest is not comparable to Russian Roulette, that's silly.

It's illegal to drive a tank across the Golden Gate Bridge that doesn't make it illegal to drive a car

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity
In the context of improperly organizing an event that resulted in a death no matter if the person who died "did it to themselves" or not they are exactly the same.

Tanks and cars are different on the Golden Gate Bridge because of the weight restrictions. A complete non-sequitor.

fenderbender321 posted...

PBusted posted...

"I was incited" isn't a good enough excuse for me
And "they did it to themselves" isn't a good excuse to organize a suicide club or have game shows like Fear Factor risk people's lives even if they sign up for it.

I disagree. People should be free to make choices. Our bodies are ours to expend, are they not?

So you think encouraging and assisting suicide should be legal?

UnfairRepresent posted...

So if a chick organizes a sack race and you pull out an Uzi and shoot 7 people, it's her fault for organizing it?

If you weren't mentally handicapped, you wouldn't be making analogies like this that bare 0 relation to this incident. Do some research on 'wrongful death cases' before you submit more braindead posts
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PBusted posted...

So you think encouraging and assisting suicide should be legal?

That's a leading question
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fenderbender321 posted...

Encouraging somebody to commit suicide is certainly morally questionable, but at the end of the day it is just one person voicing their opinion. Yes, people can have influences on others this way, but at the end of the day the suicide is the action of the person committing it, and not the fault of anybody else at all.

Assisting suicide is another matter entirely. It's actively participating in the killing of somebody. I think that it should be legal, but only in certain situations such as terminal medical illnesses that are causing a great deal of pain.

What about something like a pop star encouraging his fans to commit suicide to reach fame? Do you think enticing violence shouldn't be a crime either because all the fault is only on the person who actually does it?