Poll of the Day > Racism isnt why American system is bad, its the political system that is bad

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Like ok one example

Its mostly the fault with the democratic party.

Wanna know why? The democratic party is not aware how racist they are. Here is how they argue. You MINORITIES, we own you and you should vote for us. Dont think about issues, that doesnt matter we are the party for YOU guys, we are not americans, we just are the good guys. Issues... whatever just remember we are the good guys

The problem is they use racism or their form of it to get votes, not issues but arguing that they own them more or less. Republicans can be kind of typical sweeping problems under their carpet, but atleast they know what they want despite having really bad insane people which is their problem, in terms of influence and environment.

So you see. Its not a party problem. Its the political system that is downright terrible.

I mean i dont know if this is why.. But maybe this is what Europeans mean when they say Americans are stupid. "though i think Europeans are capable of being just as much morons" but i will say. The political system... is straightout terrible. Objectively. You need to fight for civil rights and that stuff... But you also need party to be issue based. Like... are you really shocked really? Polarization. Look your system is designed to be that way. Its nothing shocking about it, its just normal

What you guys need is a purge and reform of parties to make it issue based. Even Malcom X was aware of it.

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Oh boy, this should be interesting...


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really really?! you wanna open this garbage can up...

what it sounds like is you want parties that are specifically made to talk about a certain issue

So The Healthcare Party The Social Climate Party The Jobs Party
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NightMareBunny posted...

really really?! you wanna open this garbage can up...

what it sounds like is you want parties that are specifically made to talk about a certain issue

So The Healthcare Party The Social Climate Party The Jobs Party

I want it to be the main focus. Like issues, not whatever group is better that you belong too as in trying to capture the higher moral high ground. See the way i see it is i feel they try to act like one party is better than other on the outside look. Not which has better arguments, or what you agree to disagree with.

So i dunno. I just think having some political reform would be a good way to make it more productive than what it is now. Depending on what one does it.

The American political system isn't bad, it's just pretty much allwhite.
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I cant emphasize how happy I am that NMB commented an a social issue.
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wolfy42 posted...

The American political system isn't bad, it's just pretty much allwhite.

emm... thats kinda not the problem. Demographics is a thing. Africa... probably more of those people. Asia, probably more of those people.

If you mean employing 50/50 of different people. Fair enough. But large demographics is just normal due to history and whatever. Like i say, issues should be a main concern, poverty issues, job issues, better roads... i am just mentioning a few stuff here that you can bring into a debate or issues you wanna focus on in terms of whatever political party you are in. But you get what i mean

That was *sigh* a joke. Jokes don't work on the internet I know.

Oh well.

The topic title was about racism, and the political system being bad. So I made a pun saying it wasn't bad, it was just allright (but white instead).......but whatever. Good thing i'm not a comedian I guess.

Honestly the 2 party system, the fact that we are actually not even a republic (let alone a democracy), the fact that most or at least many of our politicians are basically bribed by corporations and the rich and tons of other issues are what is wrong with our political system.

Which carries over to our health care/medical system, our education system, our prison system etc.

But that would all be series, I was just making a freaking joke.
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CacciatoPart3 posted...

I cant emphasize how happy I am that NMB commented an a social issue.

I like how out of all the political topics here, he decides to chime in on this one. It's like he and TC get one another.
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Recognizing the struggle of minorites means you are perpetuating the struggle, amirite
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Oops_All_Berrys posted...

Recognizing the struggle of minorites means you are perpetuating the struggle, amirite

Any societal issues is important to look at and have dialouges with. Minorities including to how you can help work it out

mmkay
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On the plus side the democratic party seems to be self-destructing. If this keeps up by 2024 that party may be well and done leaving a chance for reform.
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I want a purge of both parties, both the current GOP and the Dems have outlived their usefulness and need to be replaced with new blood.
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Hop103 posted...

I want a purge of both parties, both the current GOP and the Dems have outlived their usefulness and need to be replaced with new blood.

Fair enough. I just hope no matter what the outcome is that they make it about issues thats the main focus

Oops_All_Berrys posted...

Recognizing the struggle of minorites means you are perpetuating the struggle, amirite

You can acknowledge the problem all day long. Doing something to fix it is another issue. Politicians these days seem to love to talk about but only do just enough they can claim they did something other than actually putting some effort into it.

More on topic. I feel we shouldn't even have parties and furthermore candidates aren't allowed to label themselves conservative or liberal in campaign ads. Make them say exactly how they feel about all current major issues and force the voters to pay attention to that instead of just voting based on what party they represent.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Oops_All_Berrys posted...

Recognizing the struggle of minorites means you are perpetuating the struggle, amirite

You can acknowledge the problem all day long. Doing something to fix it is another issue. Politicians these days seem to love to talk about but only do just enough they can claim they did something other than actually putting some effort into it.

More on topic. I feel we shouldn't even have parties and furthermore candidates aren't allowed to label themselves conservative or liberal in campaign ads. Make them say exactly how they feel about all current major issues and force the voters to pay attention to that instead of just voting based on what party they represent.

Sadly that's an impossibility. Within any issue there's simply a limited amount of stances that one can take. Over a series of issues a certain trend will get revealed and people will group themselves according to said trend. So even if all political parties dissolved today it wouldn't be long before new parties arose to take their place.
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Unbridled9 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Oops_All_Berrys posted...

Recognizing the struggle of minorites means you are perpetuating the struggle, amirite

You can acknowledge the problem all day long. Doing something to fix it is another issue. Politicians these days seem to love to talk about but only do just enough they can claim they did something other than actually putting some effort into it.

More on topic. I feel we shouldn't even have parties and furthermore candidates aren't allowed to label themselves conservative or liberal in campaign ads. Make them say exactly how they feel about all current major issues and force the voters to pay attention to that instead of just voting based on what party they represent.

Sadly that's an impossibility. Within any issue there's simply a limited amount of stances that one can take. Over a series of issues a certain trend will get revealed and people will group themselves according to said trend. So even if all political parties dissolved today it wouldn't be long before new parties arose to take their place.

I feel more people would feel forced to actually pay attention to the individual candidates rather than their party if candidates where barred from using any sort of label to describe if they are more conservative or liberal.

It would also probably make more candidates more comfortable being moderate as if parties where gotten rid of I don't think they'd feel as pressured to adhere to any one groups way of thinking. Example more conservatives would be quicker to be ok with gay marriage.

The part I hate most about the use of labels to use to identify candidates is so many people make it a my team vs your team. My team is always right and yours is always wrong. Causing people to straight up ignore anything bad done by their side. I feel without labels more people would be quicker to call a politician out for doing wrong even if they had voted for them. But the way it is now election time comes again and of course they are running again. Your going to still vote for them because you'd rather have someone from your party.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Oops_All_Berrys posted...

Recognizing the struggle of minorites means you are perpetuating the struggle, amirite

You can acknowledge the problem all day long. Doing something to fix it is another issue. Politicians these days seem to love to talk about but only do just enough they can claim they did something other than actually putting some effort into it.

More on topic. I feel we shouldn't even have parties and furthermore candidates aren't allowed to label themselves conservative or liberal in campaign ads. Make them say exactly how they feel about all current major issues and force the voters to pay attention to that instead of just voting based on what party they represent.

Sadly that's an impossibility. Within any issue there's simply a limited amount of stances that one can take. Over a series of issues a certain trend will get revealed and people will group themselves according to said trend. So even if all political parties dissolved today it wouldn't be long before new parties arose to take their place.

I feel more people would feel forced to actually pay attention to the individual candidates rather than their party if candidates where barred from using any sort of label to describe if they are more conservative or liberal.

It would also probably make more candidates more comfortable being moderate as if parties where gotten rid of I don't think they'd feel as pressured to adhere to any one groups way of thinking. Example more conservatives would be quicker to be ok with gay marriage.

The part I hate most about the use of labels to use to identify candidates is so many people make it a my team vs your team. My team is always right and yours is always wrong. Causing people to straight up ignore anything bad done by their side. I feel without labels more people would be quicker to call a politician out for doing wrong even if they had voted for them. But the way it is now election time comes again and of course they are running again. Your going to still vote for them because you'd rather have someone from your party.

I mean trust is important. So you want a guy who you can trust to run in terms of communities and etc. Like i would probably not been qualified. I mean party overall stuff is important, but its also important that the guy who is gonna lead is someone who you have good guts about. I think the two are important

This new gimmick is not funny ZIggy.
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Kappa02 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Oops_All_Berrys posted...

Recognizing the struggle of minorites means you are perpetuating the struggle, amirite

You can acknowledge the problem all day long. Doing something to fix it is another issue. Politicians these days seem to love to talk about but only do just enough they can claim they did something other than actually putting some effort into it.

More on topic. I feel we shouldn't even have parties and furthermore candidates aren't allowed to label themselves conservative or liberal in campaign ads. Make them say exactly how they feel about all current major issues and force the voters to pay attention to that instead of just voting based on what party they represent.

Sadly that's an impossibility. Within any issue there's simply a limited amount of stances that one can take. Over a series of issues a certain trend will get revealed and people will group themselves according to said trend. So even if all political parties dissolved today it wouldn't be long before new parties arose to take their place.

I feel more people would feel forced to actually pay attention to the individual candidates rather than their party if candidates where barred from using any sort of label to describe if they are more conservative or liberal.

It would also probably make more candidates more comfortable being moderate as if parties where gotten rid of I don't think they'd feel as pressured to adhere to any one groups way of thinking. Example more conservatives would be quicker to be ok with gay marriage.

The part I hate most about the use of labels to use to identify candidates is so many people make it a my team vs your team. My team is always right and yours is always wrong. Causing people to straight up ignore anything bad done by their side. I feel without labels more people would be quicker to call a politician out for doing wrong even if they had voted for them. But the way it is now election time comes again and of course they are running again. Your going to still vote for them because you'd rather have someone from your party.

I mean trust is important. So you want a guy who you can trust to run in terms of communities and etc. Like i would probably not been qualified. I mean party overall stuff is important, but its also important that the guy who is gonna lead is someone who you have good guts about. I think the two are important

That's when you look at their history to see what they've done and anything that may indicate they say one thing but do another. Or you give a new guy a chance that gives a good impression if the other candidates are just trash.

Talking of looking to someone you can trust lol the parties have done all they can to make me not trust either of them. Every election it literally feels like a pick your poison scenario to me.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

That's when you look at their history to see what they've done and anything that may indicate they say one thing but do another.

All politicians out.

mooreandrew58 posted...

Or you give a new guy a chance that gives a good impression if the other candidates are just trash.

Trump in!
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

That's when you look at their history to see what they've done and anything that may indicate they say one thing but do another.

All politicians out.

mooreandrew58 posted...

Or you give a new guy a chance that gives a good impression if the other candidates are just trash.

Trump in!

Every politician has to start at some point is what I was getting at. And if all other options suck then maybe its time to give new people a shot.

Your mistaken if you think I'm talking just presidents. Unlike a lot of people I actually vote in more than just the presidential elections
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I actually don't disagree. In my city I've seen plenty of capable city employee's get booted out for incompetent morons in multiple offices simply because a lot of people in the city vote straight tickets. However, I don't feel such a solution would actually work since a lot of people don't even bother learning about the candidates and vote a straight ticket when they reach the poll booth or would do just a bare minimum amount of research to figure out who belongs to 'their party'.

I don't know what a solution is though; just that I doubt these would work.
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Unbridled9 posted...

I actually don't disagree. In my city I've seen plenty of capable city employee's get booted out for incompetent morons in multiple offices simply because a lot of people in the city vote straight tickets. However, I don't feel such a solution would actually work since a lot of people don't even bother learning about the candidates and vote a straight ticket when they reach the poll booth or would do just a bare minimum amount of research to figure out who belongs to 'their party'.

I don't know what a solution is though; just that I doubt these would work.

I figured if it at least got some of them to start paying real attention to the candidates it would be worth it. I did the say perfect but I feel it would be an improvement.

Some people vote straight ticket because they are lazy and some because they are sheep. And of course some truly believe in what the party is for but then even those have maybe unknowingly voted for a candidate that had a different view point on something they felt strongly about.

You can get people to improve their laziness by forcing their hand to a degree. Can't fix stupid though.
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