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Calwings
11/02/18 6:28:03 PM
#51:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Calwings posted...
I would have preferred Lyria if we're really getting a GBF character, but holy shit seeing a GBF character in Smash would be awesome.

Katalina talks happened a long time ago. There's a good chance that if a Cygames character gets into Smash right now it would probably be Euden.

The main character of Dragalia Lost? Yeah, that could be cool too. My concern for him or Katalina would be what they would do for a moveset to differentiate them from the other various swordsmen already in Smash. Even Euden's "turn into a dragon" niche is already covered by Corrin. Lyria fighting with magic attacks and monster summons would be really cool though, sort of like how Yugi fought in those Shonen Jump fighting games by summoning his monsters to attack for him.

Gameplay-wise, Lyria would be the best and most unique by far. But I understand why they'd go with Euden over her in terms of recognition and the connection to Nintendo.
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holedigger
11/02/18 6:29:51 PM
#53:


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Those characters come from franchises that are easily more popular than Minecraft (especially in this current day and age) so yeah

Minecraft is the second best selling game of all time. Still sells well today. Go into any supermarket or toy shop and you'll see Minecraft toys, books and magazines with Steve on.
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Darmik
11/02/18 6:30:50 PM
#54:


The thing about this 'leak' is that if it doesn't happen he can just say the talks didn't pan out.

Conflict posted...
Those characters come from franchises that are easily more popular than Minecraft (especially in this current day and age) so yeah


I don't know if I'd go that far. Minecraft has something like 90 million players a month.
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holedigger
11/02/18 6:33:07 PM
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significantly more popular franchises than Minecraft

where are you getting this nonsense from
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DarthAragorn
11/02/18 6:33:26 PM
#57:


might as well have Fuckface Dragonborn
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holedigger
11/02/18 6:33:51 PM
#58:


just because he's not a big deal for sweaty gamers in their 30s doesn't mean he's not more iconic than some shitty pokemon from one of the recent terrible games
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Tyranthraxus
11/02/18 6:34:51 PM
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Calwings posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Calwings posted...
I would have preferred Lyria if we're really getting a GBF character, but holy shit seeing a GBF character in Smash would be awesome.

Katalina talks happened a long time ago. There's a good chance that if a Cygames character gets into Smash right now it would probably be Euden.

The main character of Dragalia Lost? Yeah, that could be cool too. My concern for him or Katalina would be what they would do for a moveset to differentiate them from the other various swordsmen already in Smash. Even Euden's "turn into a dragon" niche is already covered by Corrin. Lyria fighting with magic attacks and monster summons would be really cool though, sort of like how Yugi fought in those Shonen Jump fighting games by summoning his monsters to attack for him.

Gameplay-wise, Lyria would be the best and most unique by far. But I understand why they'd go with Euden over her in terms of recognition and the connection to Nintendo.


I mean yeah there is a lot of overlap with what's already there but there's still enough moveset potential.

Can probably do something like:
Neutral B: Call friend assist (cycles through Elisanne and Ranzal for different attacks)
Side B: Force Strike
Down B: Blazing Circlet
Up B: Exalted Fire
Final Smash: Transforms into Midgardsormr and does a huge nuke
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Menardii
11/02/18 6:35:08 PM
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My point is just because the game is popular doesn't mean that the generic Minecraft dude they slapped a name on is more popular than actual iconic characters.

Especially considering it's just one of many skins and you could play Minecraft all the time and never see "Steve".
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Tyranthraxus
11/02/18 6:38:12 PM
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Minecraft is literally the best selling video game of all time second only to Tetris.

Anyone who thinks it's somehow less iconic than some bullshit series that gets about one game every generation that sells like complete shit compared to literally every other game by the same company needs to get checked.
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Menardii
11/02/18 6:39:59 PM
#65:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Minecraft is literally the best selling video game of all time second only to Tetris.

Anyone who thinks it's somehow less iconic than some bullshit series that gets about one game every generation that sells like complete shit compared to literally every other game by the same company needs to get checked.

Minecraft isn't character based, hence Steve isn't as iconic as other characters. Nor is he really that iconic at all.
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Tyranthraxus
11/02/18 6:44:16 PM
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Menardii posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Minecraft is literally the best selling video game of all time second only to Tetris.

Anyone who thinks it's somehow less iconic than some bullshit series that gets about one game every generation that sells like complete shit compared to literally every other game by the same company needs to get checked.

Minecraft isn't character based, hence Steve isn't as iconic as other characters. Nor is he really that iconic at all.


lmao you are talking about the guy who pulled a fucking dude out of his car that was otherwise never seen outside of the instruction manual to put into the game. he pulled a generic black LCD tiger electronics dude into the game. he got literal wii fit trainer. ROB who isn't even in any fucking games.

But your player avatar from Minecraft is too much? like come on man.
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Tyranthraxus
11/02/18 6:45:10 PM
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Nall posted...
Minecraft is iconic. and Steve from Minecraft is iconic. are two different statements that I feel like some are confusing in this topic. The former is true while the latter is not.

Steve is the generic name for the player.
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holedigger
11/02/18 6:47:31 PM
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Nall posted...
Minecraft is iconic. and Steve from Minecraft is iconic. are two different statements that I feel like some are confusing in this topic. The former is true while the latter is not.

What do you think people think of first when they think of minecraft? They'll think of the little guy in the blue shirt.

My daughter is an ordinary kid, she loves Minecraft like many kids her age do, we go look at clothes and there's shirts with Steve on, we go to the book section, there's books with Steve on, we go to a toyshop and there's little toys of Steve. I ask her things she likes about Minecraft and along with all the building and exploring she'll say Steve, she always wants the skin to be Steve.

I feel like you're ignoring a huge chunk of gamers just because they're not 30+ and haven't grown up with Nintendo. They still count when determining if something is iconic or well known.
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holedigger
11/02/18 6:48:18 PM
#71:


Conflict posted...
The guy was arguing the Minecraft avatar was more iconic than Isabelle and Incineroar and that's blatantly false regardless of how much Minecraft sold.


I've played almost every Pokemon game and I didn't have a fucking clue who Incineroar was. He is not iconic, he is not well known, he is not famous. Steve is.
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Tyranthraxus
11/02/18 6:48:34 PM
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Conflict posted...
This has fuck all to do with the argument

The guy was arguing the Minecraft avatar was more iconic than Isabelle and Incineroar and that's blatantly false regardless of how much Minecraft sold. Again. Most people don't even know the guy's supposedly called "Steve".


First of all fucking nobody cares about Incineroar. Any Pokemon not named Pikachu, Charizard, or Mewtwo dramatically drop in popularity.

Secondly, Animal Crossing is a billion dollar franchise that gets many games and merchandise. That is a far cry from Metroid and saying that Ridley is more iconic. That's just preference bias.
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Darmik
11/02/18 6:49:54 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Menardii posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Minecraft is literally the best selling video game of all time second only to Tetris.

Anyone who thinks it's somehow less iconic than some bullshit series that gets about one game every generation that sells like complete shit compared to literally every other game by the same company needs to get checked.

Minecraft isn't character based, hence Steve isn't as iconic as other characters. Nor is he really that iconic at all.


lmao you are talking about the guy who pulled a fucking dude out of his car that was otherwise never seen outside of the instruction manual to put into the game. he pulled a generic black LCD tiger electronics dude into the game. he got literal wii fit trainer. ROB who isn't even in any fucking games.

But your player avatar from Minecraft is too much? like come on man.


Minecraft isn't a Nintendo franchise though. ROB and Game and Watch are both big parts of Nintendo's history.

Smash Bros is inherently about celebrating Nintendo. Third party characters are a bonus.
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holedigger
11/02/18 6:52:52 PM
#75:


Darmik posted...
Minecraft isn't a Nintendo franchise though. ROB and Game and Watch are both big parts of Nintendo's history.

The Switch has a great well supported version of Minecraft with exclusive Mario content. For a third party character he makes more sense than someone like Cloud or Ryu. First one a character that isn't at all associated with Nintendo and the second a character from a series that hasn't been a big deal on Nintendo consoles since the early 90s.
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Tyranthraxus
11/02/18 6:52:53 PM
#76:


Darmik posted...
Minecraft isn't a Nintendo franchise though. ROB and Game and Watch are both big parts of Nintendo's history.

Smash Bros is inherently about celebrating Nintendo. Third party characters are a bonus.


I'm not saying I think Steve is going to be in the game, I'm saying that arguing he won't be on the merits of his iconic recognizability when you've got literal fucking nobodies in the game is a completely meritless argument. If you want to say he won't be in because he's third party, that's a very different argument than saying he won't get in because he's less iconic than Ridley.
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BLAKUboy
11/02/18 6:56:33 PM
#77:


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If he doesn't know whether it's a slime or Sora, it makes me wonder how he knows any of this.

He doesn't. Literally all he's ever done is piggyback off of other leaks, most of them ending up fake. For starters, he said "Minecraft content" (which I believe was a backpedal from him straight up saying Steve) and another Square rep would be in the base game. And his track record outside of Smash is abysmal.
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Darmik
11/02/18 6:57:30 PM
#78:


holedigger posted...
Darmik posted...
Minecraft isn't a Nintendo franchise though. ROB and Game and Watch are both big parts of Nintendo's history.

The Switch has a great well supported version of Minecraft with exclusive Mario content. For a third party character he makes more sense than someone like Cloud or Ryu. First one a character that isn't at all associated with Nintendo and the second a character from a series that hasn't been a big deal on Nintendo consoles since the early 90s.


Cloud sure but Street Fighter 2 was a really big game for the SNES.

I think Cloud got in simply because a lot of fans were asking for it and he's a really popular character.
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Jiggy101011
11/02/18 6:58:03 PM
#79:


Conflict posted...
holedigger posted...
Menardii posted...
holedigger posted...
Steve is more iconic and well known than most of the roster that are new for this game

Lmao

How am I wrong? Every kid knows him.


Ridley: Nope
K. Rool: Maybe
Belmonts: Nope
Ken: Nope
Incineroar: Nope
Isabelle: Nope
Dark Samus: Doubtful
Chrom: Heavily doubtful
Inkling: Nope
Daisy: Nope
Piranha Plant: Not even

No clue where you got "most" from. I didn't even know who tf he was until these rumors came up


I'm not sure of your stance, are you saying you are a kid?
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BLAKUboy
11/02/18 6:58:58 PM
#80:


And yes, Sora is owned by Disney. I'm not sure why the Smash fanbase can never get this through their heads.
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Jiggy101011
11/02/18 7:07:17 PM
#81:


Darmik posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Menardii posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Minecraft is literally the best selling video game of all time second only to Tetris.

Anyone who thinks it's somehow less iconic than some bullshit series that gets about one game every generation that sells like complete shit compared to literally every other game by the same company needs to get checked.

Minecraft isn't character based, hence Steve isn't as iconic as other characters. Nor is he really that iconic at all.


lmao you are talking about the guy who pulled a fucking dude out of his car that was otherwise never seen outside of the instruction manual to put into the game. he pulled a generic black LCD tiger electronics dude into the game. he got literal wii fit trainer. ROB who isn't even in any fucking games.

But your player avatar from Minecraft is too much? like come on man.


Minecraft isn't a Nintendo franchise though. ROB and Game and Watch are both big parts of Nintendo's history.

Smash Bros is inherently about celebrating Nintendo. Third party characters are a bonus.


Minecraft also sells 100,000s of copies for Switch every month which is way more than most Nintendo franchises. I dont play Minecraft but there are millions of kids who do and will recognize Steve way more than some of the other characters in the game.

Smash fans need to realize they are playing an E10+ game.
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Darkinsanity1
11/02/18 7:09:16 PM
#82:


BLAKUboy posted...
And yes, Sora is owned by Disney. I'm not sure why the Smash fanbase can never get this through their heads.

Yes he's technically owned by Disney but he's a Square-Enix and Tetsuya Nomura character. Anything that involves Sora is run by Nomura first.

He could totally be in Smash, the whole Disney owning him doesn't actually mean much.
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KronoXIV
11/02/18 7:22:23 PM
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396848954903494656/508044871290978329/IMG_20181102_182801_102.jpg

@Vergeben Did you say this in a thread that got closed? I would assume not but I'm just making sure considering a server I'm in are already expecting Geno over it.
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Vergeben
11/02/18 7:28:49 PM
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KronoXIV posted...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396848954903494656/508044871290978329/IMG_20181102_182801_102.jpg

@Vergeben Did you say this in a thread that got closed? I would assume not but I'm just making sure considering a server I'm in are already expecting Geno over it.

That's faked. I didn't say that.
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KronoXIV
11/02/18 7:32:11 PM
#86:


Vergeben posted...
KronoXIV posted...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396848954903494656/508044871290978329/IMG_20181102_182801_102.jpg

@Vergeben Did you say this in a thread that got closed? I would assume not but I'm just making sure considering a server I'm in are already expecting Geno over it.

That's faked. I didn't say that.

Thanks for the info. Have a good one.
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Vergeben
11/02/18 7:37:12 PM
#87:


KronoXIV posted...
Vergeben posted...
KronoXIV posted...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396848954903494656/508044871290978329/IMG_20181102_182801_102.jpg

@Vergeben Did you say this in a thread that got closed? I would assume not but I'm just making sure considering a server I'm in are already expecting Geno over it.

That's faked. I didn't say that.

Thanks for the info. Have a good one.

You're welcome. To you as well. Thanks for bringing that to my attention that people are photoshopping fake quotes again. -.-
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YoungLink
11/02/18 7:38:22 PM
#88:


KronoXIV posted...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396848954903494656/508044871290978329/IMG_20181102_182801_102.jpg

@Vergeben Did you say this in a thread that got closed? I would assume not but I'm just making sure considering a server I'm in are already expecting Geno over it.

I wonder why people are so fond of spreading false information.
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KronoXIV
11/02/18 7:41:48 PM
#89:


YoungLink posted...
KronoXIV posted...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396848954903494656/508044871290978329/IMG_20181102_182801_102.jpg

Did you say this in a thread that got closed? I would assume not but I'm just making sure considering a server I'm in are already expecting Geno over it.

I wonder why people are so fond of spreading false information.


I would assume it's because they want people to get their hopes up for Geno. Idk about you but Geno's chances don't look too good compared to someone like Sora's. Between Geno as a spirit and Sakurai consistently failing when it comes to convincing Square to let him in Smash, his chances are iffy to me.

Compared to Sora who has Justin Scarpone saying that Disney would make it happen if Nomura and KH fans want it enough, Square Enix's supposed interest in KH Switch, Sora being more profitable, a co-creator approving of the idea on twitter, etc.
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lightdrago12345
11/02/18 7:41:49 PM
#90:


Vergeben posted...
KronoXIV posted...
Vergeben posted...
KronoXIV posted...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396848954903494656/508044871290978329/IMG_20181102_182801_102.jpg

@Vergeben Did you say this in a thread that got closed? I would assume not but I'm just making sure considering a server I'm in are already expecting Geno over it.

That's faked. I didn't say that.

Thanks for the info. Have a good one.

You're welcome. To you as well. Thanks for bringing that to my attention that people are photoshopping fake quotes again. -.-


Hey @Vergeben why do you keep leaking here? With the way GameFAQs has treated you, I find it strange you stay. Wouldn't reddit be a better medium? They treat you better there imo
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lakesteve90
11/02/18 8:39:54 PM
#91:


Have you heard of any information regarding to Shantae being a DLC fighter?
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Tyranthraxus
11/02/18 8:52:53 PM
#93:


lakesteve90 posted...
Have you heard of any information regarding to Shantae being a DLC fighter?

She's a spirit. This is confirmed in the direct
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Calcifer003
11/02/18 10:55:26 PM
#94:


Tyranthraxus posted...
lakesteve90 posted...
Have you heard of any information regarding to Shantae being a DLC fighter?

She's a spirit. This is confirmed in the direct


While I dont believe Spirits are an automatic disconfirm (like assist trophies) I dont have high hopes for Shantae getting in. Id be cool with it, but I dont see it happening with her.
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LostForest
11/02/18 10:59:15 PM
#95:


Oh shit, Verge is posting here on CE! It's like two worlds colliding!

Seriously though @Vergeben, you should post here more often and stay out of the cesspool that is the Smash Board.
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Chewisbeast
11/02/18 11:05:46 PM
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I was wishing for Neku from The World Ends With You :(
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AvantgardeAClue
11/02/18 11:09:34 PM
#97:


Katalina from Granblue Fantasy

Lol yeah sure
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dave_is_slick
11/02/18 11:25:03 PM
#98:


Solar_Crimson posted...
Vergeben, who has been pretty much right about the game up until now.

As I've said before, none of them were risky picks. Not to mention missing the selling point of the game, missing King K. Rool which actually would have been a risky pick and given him so actual credibility, and he missed Piranha Plant, the riskiest pick of them all. Do you people not learn anything when every goddamn leak is either full of characters anyone could've guessed or just flat out wrong?
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dave_is_slick
11/02/18 11:28:12 PM
#99:


Darmik posted...
But I don't remember any of the 3DS/Wii U DLC being leaked outside of Ryu a couple of days before.

That's because they weren't. Roy and I think someone else were in the data but that was it. Everyone who "leaked" shit were surprise surprise, wrong.
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Zack_Attackv1
11/02/18 11:30:20 PM
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*rolls eyes*
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dave_is_slick
11/02/18 11:31:26 PM
#101:


Nall posted...
Minecraft is iconic. and Steve from Minecraft is iconic. are two different statements that I feel like some are confusing in this topic. The former is true while the latter is not.

Yep.
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ssjevot
11/02/18 11:32:00 PM
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If Slime was added into Smash it would be the only character I ever play.
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