Poll of the Day > What's the hatred for Gwen Pool about?

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Revelation34
11/04/18 3:10:20 AM
#52:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
As much as I like Supergirl, I can't deny the fact that every episode of that show has been hamstrung by a mandatory 10 to 15 minutes of lesbian drama ever since it folded into the arrowverse.


The gun control episode was more forced than any of that.

Also nobody hates Gwenpool.
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Behaviorism
11/04/18 7:24:28 AM
#53:


I don't get how people can hate seeing more breasts
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Revelation34
11/04/18 3:53:03 PM
#54:


Behaviorism posted...
I don't get how people can hate seeing more breasts


Nobody does.
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LinkPizza
11/04/18 8:09:51 PM
#55:


Revelation34 posted...
Also nobody hates Gwenpool.

I don't believe that's true. I won't say everybody hates her. But I've heard a lot of hate for her. Even the guys at the comic/TTRPG place I go to hear it... There's a good amount of hate. But I think more actually like her than hate her...
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mooreandrew58
11/04/18 8:35:06 PM
#56:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
If I'm being brutally honest here, DC wins the SJW battle before it was even a thing despite Marvel always trying to position itself as the winner in the virtue signalling department.

DC went the same route - they just turned Batgirl into a hipster and backed off when people complained because they "turned Starfire into a whore". DC just looked like they were pandering less because they jumped off a cliff during the New 52 reboot, and most of their pandering was just rolling shit back to where they started.

In both cases, the companies are just desperate because comic sales are dying and they need to find new readers wherever they can - and pandering to minorities who previously weren't strong comic buyers seems like an obvious method for doing so. So you get Marvel pushing Black Panther while DC is soaking up praise for Wonder Woman in the film side, while in comics Marvel is pushing black teen girl Iron Man and lady Thor (with the narrator straight-up quoting SJW memes) and making Falcon into the new Captain America, but DC is pushing new Hispanic and Arabic Green Lanterns, and randomly creating "African Batman" and Chinese Superman.

The real problem is, both companies have sort of learned that, while SJWs are incredibly vocal about things they hate, when you do the things they claim to like, they won't actually BUY your books. So Marvel's already officially backed off on the Internet pandering, while DC has sort of quietly phased most of it out. But there's still a push to try and capture new fans, which is why a lot of comic stuff gets retconned just to fit better into the continuity of the popular movies, and why there's still a push in both comics and movies to appeal to the massive Asian audience, and why they'll still push the narrative of how progressive movies like Wonder Woman and Black Panther are, in the hopes that they can parlay those things into future success.

A lot of people like to ascribe ideology to these companies, or say things like "Well, of course stupid younger writers living in a Twitter/Tumblr world are going to reflect those views into their writing", but ultimately, most of this stuff is purely motivated by money, pure and simple. If either company thinks pandering to a specific group is going to dramatically increase their sales, they're going to do it, period.



I feel Green lantern has always been their go to for bringing in a minority character. Makes sense as it doesn't fuck with the lore too much or require some story arc to explain it. there are many lanterns so for a new one to show up is nothing ground breaking.

Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay? Though iirc he's not part of the lantern corps and his lore behind his powers is quite different
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LinkPizza
11/04/18 8:36:32 PM
#57:


mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...
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mooreandrew58
11/04/18 8:52:18 PM
#58:


LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...


Didn't robot Chicken or some other adult swim show joke that he was before that happened? If so that's perfect
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LinkPizza
11/04/18 9:20:14 PM
#59:


mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...


Didn't robot Chicken or some other adult swim show joke that he was before that happened? If so that's perfect

I believe they did... and they were able to make it work well... Not to mention, he did seem like he might have been multiple times...
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mooreandrew58
11/04/18 9:21:49 PM
#60:


LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...


Didn't robot Chicken or some other adult swim show joke that he was before that happened? If so that's perfect

I believe they did... and they were able to make it work well... Not to mention, he did seem like he might have been multiple times...


Just had to think about it.... Having sex with ice man would be very weird
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LinkPizza
11/04/18 9:24:35 PM
#61:


mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...


Didn't robot Chicken or some other adult swim show joke that he was before that happened? If so that's perfect

I believe they did... and they were able to make it work well... Not to mention, he did seem like he might have been multiple times...


Just had to think about it.... Having sex with ice man would be very weird

Maybe if he was cold all the time. But I do find the Ashmore twins good looking, so if he looked like that...
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mooreandrew58
11/04/18 9:27:42 PM
#62:


LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...


Didn't robot Chicken or some other adult swim show joke that he was before that happened? If so that's perfect

I believe they did... and they were able to make it work well... Not to mention, he did seem like he might have been multiple times...


Just had to think about it.... Having sex with ice man would be very weird

Maybe if he was cold all the time. But I do find the Ashmore twins good looking, so if he looked like that...


I'm not a big xmen fan so I assumed he was cold to the touch all the time. Not like the coldest he could possibly be but still pretty cold.

Like in the one fantastic 4 movie where human torch was shown to run a high temperature even when not in fire.
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LinkPizza
11/04/18 9:29:53 PM
#63:


mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...


Didn't robot Chicken or some other adult swim show joke that he was before that happened? If so that's perfect

I believe they did... and they were able to make it work well... Not to mention, he did seem like he might have been multiple times...


Just had to think about it.... Having sex with ice man would be very weird

Maybe if he was cold all the time. But I do find the Ashmore twins good looking, so if he looked like that...


I'm not a big xmen fan so I assumed he was cold to the touch all the time. Not like the coldest he could possibly be but still pretty cold.

Like in the one fantastic 4 movie where human torch was shown to run a high temperature even when not in fire.

Hmmm... maybe... I never really looked up to see if that was the case. But it's very likely. I usually read up on a bunch of weird stuff like that. I wonder why I didn't check...
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Krazy_Kirby
11/04/18 11:14:43 PM
#64:


mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...


Didn't robot Chicken or some other adult swim show joke that he was before that happened? If so that's perfect


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nhesX-8DXo" data-time="

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keyblader1985
11/04/18 11:15:33 PM
#65:


mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...


Didn't robot Chicken or some other adult swim show joke that he was before that happened? If so that's perfect

Family Guy.

"At least they know how to touch a man!"
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mooreandrew58
11/04/18 11:18:59 PM
#66:


keyblader1985 posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Didn't they also ret con the original Alan Scott lantern to be gay?

This reminds me that they retconned Iceman to be gay...


Didn't robot Chicken or some other adult swim show joke that he was before that happened? If so that's perfect

Family Guy.

"At least they know how to touch a man!"


Yeah I knew it was something that aired on adult swim
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Revelation34
11/05/18 12:44:03 AM
#67:


Oh I knew about that one but I'm pretty sure that episode was before they retconned him to be gay.
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Fazeo13
11/05/18 2:22:42 PM
#68:


The latest Squirrel Girl is cancer and the sales are worst. Worst artstyle, story, character. Who is this abomination for? My daughter like Moongirl though. Pretty decent comic, nobody hates Moongirl right?
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Nichtcrawler X
11/05/18 2:28:54 PM
#69:


Revelation34 posted...
Also nobody hates Gwenpool.


My experience with the character so far? She is extremely unlikable.

A more Genki Deadpool that really does not work, somehow...
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lihlih
11/05/18 5:51:14 PM
#70:


Revelation34 posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
As much as I like Supergirl, I can't deny the fact that every episode of that show has been hamstrung by a mandatory 10 to 15 minutes of lesbian drama ever since it folded into the arrowverse.


The gun control episode was more forced than any of that.

Also nobody hates Gwenpool.


Dude, if anyone mentions Gwenpool while people are discussing comics, people will jump on the opportunity to shit on Gwenpool.

Nichtcrawler X posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Also nobody hates Gwenpool.


My experience with the character so far? She is extremely unlikable.

A more Genki Deadpool that really does not work, somehow...


Genki what?
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Revelation34
11/05/18 6:45:27 PM
#71:


lihlih posted...

Dude, if anyone mentions Gwenpool while people are discussing comics, people will jump on the opportunity to shit on Gwenpool.


Nah.
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Zareth
11/05/18 6:54:59 PM
#72:


Dunno about Gwen Pool but literally everyone on the internet is always circle jerking about Spider Gwen.
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I_Abibde
11/05/18 6:57:59 PM
#73:


*reads entire thread*

I am learning new things here.
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Nichtcrawler X
11/05/18 6:59:17 PM
#74:


lihlih posted...
Genki what?


She comes across as a little girl version of Deadpool with way to much energy.
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Zareth
11/05/18 7:01:30 PM
#75:


KnoxKorner posted...
The future is female incels.

Female incels? If they don't want to be incels anymore, I'll help.
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Zikten
11/05/18 7:52:13 PM
#76:


Gwenpool is funny. I like her. and it's interesting that she comes from the real world.
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keyblader1985
11/05/18 9:07:26 PM
#77:


keyblader1985 posted...
When I visit discussion threads here for various comic book shows, I see almost nothing but (unwarranted) vehement hatred of many female protagonists.

Case in point: a glimpse of the future of one show saw one character dead, and people are literally rejoicing.
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LinkPizza
11/05/18 9:43:17 PM
#78:


Revelation34 posted...
lihlih posted...

Dude, if anyone mentions Gwenpool while people are discussing comics, people will jump on the opportunity to shit on Gwenpool.


Nah.

Maybe it's an area thing. Maybe the area you're in doesn't shit on her. I personally like her, but I hear people shitting on her all the time...
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KamikazePotato
11/05/18 9:59:04 PM
#79:


Gwenpool is a great character with a contained actual story arc that differentiates significantly from Deadpool very early on

This is confusing to comic book nerds, who tend to read an issue (if that) and then bitch on the internet until the end of time
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VeeVees
11/05/18 10:13:54 PM
#80:


gwenpool is great, she's way better than deadpool.
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Mead
11/05/18 10:16:01 PM
#81:


I cant believe that comic book fans would be angry about a thing
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Revelation34
11/06/18 1:25:28 AM
#82:


They should bring back Gwenpool.
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LinkPizza
11/06/18 7:24:18 AM
#83:


I think I first learned about her from one of those Marvel games on my phone...
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rexcrk
11/06/18 7:56:08 AM
#84:


Ogurisama posted...
I think it has to do with manchilds hating women taking over their media.

Pretty much.
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Mead
11/06/18 7:59:38 AM
#85:


A hundred years ago I really hope my family doesnt die of famine and that I dont die in a war against fascists

Today I HATE this comic book character!
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Revelation34
11/06/18 10:18:58 AM
#86:


Mead posted...
A hundred years ago I really hope my family doesnt die of famine and that I dont die in a war against fascists

Today I HATE this comic book character!


World War 2 wasn't 100 years ago.
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Mead
11/06/18 10:39:40 AM
#87:


Revelation34 posted...
Mead posted...
A hundred years ago I really hope my family doesnt die of famine and that I dont die in a war against fascists

Today I HATE this comic book character!


World War 2 wasn't 100 years ago.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I


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Unbridled9
11/06/18 10:52:07 AM
#88:


I'll never understand the whole sexist/racist accusation thing for comic book fans. I mean, they freaking LOVE female super-heroes. Characters like Supergirl, Raven, Kitty Pride, and so-forth fill the entire medium from head to toe. They have for ages and haven't gotten flack until now. Now that comic fans criticize someone like Gwen pool suddenly the fact that they've loved female characters for all those years is moot because one female character is bad. It's the exact same thing for PoC characters. I remember watching Static Shock and the Green Lantern (I keep thinking Hal Jordan even though I know it's not him. I'm sleepy.) as a kid and loved the show; but people act as if there was no such thing as a major black super hero before the MCU introed him. It's like anything that was before 2010 didn't happen. So screw modern comics. I'd much rather go and watch Teen Titans with its diverse cast that wasn't just political talking points/check-list and was actually cool/fun instead of sitting down to read about how lesbians and gays are good and if you're a straight white man you're literally the devil incarnate or something like that.
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Fierce_Mudcrap
11/06/18 10:56:40 AM
#89:


My only problem is that they are not creative enough to come up with new characters - so they just keep reusing the same one for over 50+ years - but then again, people eat it up sooooo
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Unbridled9
11/06/18 6:58:28 PM
#90:


Fierce_Mudcrap posted...
My only problem is that they are not creative enough to come up with new characters - so they just keep reusing the same one for over 50+ years - but then again, people eat it up sooooo


What's with the Gwen-obsession anyways? I mean, before she was spidey's secondary love interest; but that was about it. Does the writer just have a massive hard-on for her?
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Nichtcrawler X
11/06/18 7:10:43 PM
#91:


Unbridled9 posted...
What's with the Gwen-obsession anyways? I mean, before she was spidey's secondary love interest; but that was about it. Does the writer just have a massive hard-on for her?


I guess 1 Gwen with the powers of another established character worked so well, they thought they should repeat it?
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Revelation34
11/06/18 10:28:59 PM
#92:


Unbridled9 posted...
I mean, before she was spidey's secondary love interest


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mooreandrew58
11/06/18 11:00:55 PM
#93:


Revelation34 posted...
Unbridled9 posted...
I mean, before she was spidey's secondary love interest


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Yeah wording is wrong but I believe he means as in the one people tend to think about. Most people think about Mary Jane when thinking Spiderman's love interest
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Revelation34
11/07/18 2:50:05 AM
#94:


mooreandrew58 posted...
Yeah wording is wrong but I believe he means as in the one people tend to think about. Most people think about Mary Jane when thinking Spiderman's love interest


I don't think that's what he meant at all.
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mooreandrew58
11/07/18 4:41:40 AM
#95:


Revelation34 posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
Yeah wording is wrong but I believe he means as in the one people tend to think about. Most people think about Mary Jane when thinking Spiderman's love interest


I don't think that's what he meant at all.


Well I'm not psychic so I won't pretend to know what he meant. But that's how I took it.
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Zeus
11/11/18 11:50:20 PM
#96:


Unbridled9 posted...
I'll never understand the whole sexist/racist accusation thing for comic book fans. I mean, they freaking LOVE female super-heroes. Characters like Supergirl, Raven, Kitty Pride, and so-forth fill the entire medium from head to toe. They have for ages and haven't gotten flack until now. Now that comic fans criticize someone like Gwen pool suddenly the fact that they've loved female characters for all those years is moot because one female character is bad. It's the exact same thing for PoC characters. I remember watching Static Shock and the Green Lantern (I keep thinking Hal Jordan even though I know it's not him. I'm sleepy.) as a kid and loved the show; but people act as if there was no such thing as a major black super hero before the MCU introed him. It's like anything that was before 2010 didn't happen. So screw modern comics. I'd much rather go and watch Teen Titans with its diverse cast that wasn't just political talking points/check-list and was actually cool/fun instead of sitting down to read about how lesbians and gays are good and if you're a straight white man you're literally the devil incarnate or something like that.


You know the rule -- If you don't love ALL female and non-white characters then you hate all female and non-white characters >_>
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mooreandrew58
11/11/18 11:56:13 PM
#97:


Zeus posted...
Unbridled9 posted...
I'll never understand the whole sexist/racist accusation thing for comic book fans. I mean, they freaking LOVE female super-heroes. Characters like Supergirl, Raven, Kitty Pride, and so-forth fill the entire medium from head to toe. They have for ages and haven't gotten flack until now. Now that comic fans criticize someone like Gwen pool suddenly the fact that they've loved female characters for all those years is moot because one female character is bad. It's the exact same thing for PoC characters. I remember watching Static Shock and the Green Lantern (I keep thinking Hal Jordan even though I know it's not him. I'm sleepy.) as a kid and loved the show; but people act as if there was no such thing as a major black super hero before the MCU introed him. It's like anything that was before 2010 didn't happen. So screw modern comics. I'd much rather go and watch Teen Titans with its diverse cast that wasn't just political talking points/check-list and was actually cool/fun instead of sitting down to read about how lesbians and gays are good and if you're a straight white man you're literally the devil incarnate or something like that.


You know the rule -- If you don't love ALL female and non-white characters then you hate all female and non-white characters >_>


Same with gay characters. I like midnighter and Apollo. Prefer Harley Quinn dating ivy over joker if she must have a love interest but I feel the cw dc shows are going a tad overboard with lesbians. Think the flash is the only show to not have one and to me the jury is still out on Nora I'm suspecting she is but I'll wait and see.

Also give zero shits about ice man whoever the fuck the Ray is. So I guess I hate the LGBT right?
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Revelation34
11/12/18 1:11:35 PM
#98:


mooreandrew58 posted...

Same with gay characters. I like midnighter and Apollo. Prefer Harley Quinn dating ivy over joker if she must have a love interest but I feel the cw dc shows are going a tad overboard with lesbians. Think the flash is the only show to not have one and to me the jury is still out on Nora I'm suspecting she is but I'll wait and see.

Also give zero shits about ice man whoever the fuck the Ray is. So I guess I hate the LGBT right?


You can't go overboard with lesbians themselves. You can go overboard with how they are handled though. Also Iceman was retconned into being gay.
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mooreandrew58
11/13/18 1:39:46 AM
#99:


Revelation34 posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...

Same with gay characters. I like midnighter and Apollo. Prefer Harley Quinn dating ivy over joker if she must have a love interest but I feel the cw dc shows are going a tad overboard with lesbians. Think the flash is the only show to not have one and to me the jury is still out on Nora I'm suspecting she is but I'll wait and see.

Also give zero shits about ice man whoever the fuck the Ray is. So I guess I hate the LGBT right?


You can't go overboard with lesbians themselves. You can go overboard with how they are handled though. Also Iceman was retconned into being gay.


Yeah you can. The likely hood of a bunch of super hero teams all in the same country having a lesbian is statistically unlikely. I don't hate it it's just become apparent they are intentionally catering to a group. Why just lesbians though only gay male characters have been short term. I'm talking the cw shows specifically btw. I believe Sarah Lance originated on Green arrow now on legends. Supergirl's sister black lightnings daughter and possibly flashs's daughter.

I'm sure I'm missing some too.

Edit: also the upcoming batwoman. Which im hyped for so don't get me wrong
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Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!"
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