Current Events > 11 year old boy kills his grandmother and himself over cleaning his room.

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https://www.wfsb.com/boy-shoots-and-kills-grandmother-before-turning-gun-on-self/article_fa8ba1f8-18fb-5c34-a67a-eb3cd5dc0934.html

An 11-year-old boy is dead after police in Arizona say he shot and killed his grandmother before turning the gun on himself.

According to KTVK, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office said the boy's grandparents asked him to clean his room throughout the day Saturday, but he refused.

The couple was watching television, when the boy approached them from behind and shot his grandmother. Yvonne Woodard was struck in the back of the head, authorities said.

The boy's grandfather, Doyle Herbert, told police he ran after his grandson and saw him take a couple steps before falling to the ground.

The gun belonged to Herbert and the grandparents had full custody of the 11-year-old boy.

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Tragic. I'm assuming the gun belonged to the grandparents- if that's the case, they share some blame as it was accessible to this kid. Gun owners need to take responsibility for how they store and secure their weapons.

Thatuser posted...

Tragic. I'm assuming the gun belonged to the grandparents- if that's the case, they share some blame as it was accessible to this kid. Gun owners need to take responsibility for how they store and secure their weapons.

Maybe read the article because

The gun belonged to Herbert and the grandparents had full custody of the 11-year-old boy.

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Tmaster148 posted...

Thatuser posted...

Tragic. I'm assuming the gun belonged to the grandparents- if that's the case, they share some blame as it was accessible to this kid. Gun owners need to take responsibility for how they store and secure their weapons.

Maybe read the article because

The gun belonged to Herbert and the grandparents had full custody of the 11-year-old boy.

So I missed the last sentence but guessed correctly and you're, well, not sure what you're implying beyond my poor Monday morning reading comp

Another victim of the GTA video game series.

When will they learn?!
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more evil people
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Another victim of the GTA video game series.

When will they learn?!

It's RDR now
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Iffy on this. If you own a gun you'd want your family to know where it is and how to access it if they need it for safety.

Freak accident happen though.
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AsAnIndependent posted...

Iffy on this. If you own a gun you'd want your family to know where it is and how to access it if they need it for safety.

Freak accident happen though.

An 11 year old shouldn't have access to a gun without supervision. Grandfather shouldn't have left the gun and ammo in an easy to access spot for the 11 year old.
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Tmaster148 posted...

AsAnIndependent posted...

Iffy on this. If you own a gun you'd want your family to know where it is and how to access it if they need it for safety.

Freak accident happen though.

An 11 year old shouldn't have access to a gun without supervision. Grandfather shouldn't have left the gun and ammo in an easy to access spot for the 11 year old.

Most 11 year olds are capable of proper firearm safety . . . if they've been taught, and they're not raging little psychopaths. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't have access, but parents should know their kids well enough to make the call.
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AsAnIndependent posted...

Iffy on this. If you own a gun you'd want your family to know where it is and how to access it if they need it for safety.

Freak accident happen though.

Children can, and should, be taught how to properly respect and use weapons if a parent chooses to, sure. But giving a child access to them without supervision is what leads to situations like this and a school shootings we've seen recently. Children (and some adults) lack the maturity to control their emotions and not do things like this. Not all kids, but enough to warrant an extra measure of safety.

And we've seen stories where kids younger than 11 have protected a home from an intruder with a gun.
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That's one way to get out of cleaning your room
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

AsAnIndependent posted...

Iffy on this. If you own a gun you'd want your family to know where it is and how to access it if they need it for safety.

Freak accident happen though.

An 11 year old shouldn't have access to a gun without supervision. Grandfather shouldn't have left the gun and ammo in an easy to access spot for the 11 year old.

Most 11 year olds are capable of proper firearm safety . . . if they've been taught, and they're not raging little psychopaths. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't have access, but parents should know their kids well enough to make the call.

I never said they weren't. But kids are idiots and letting them have access to a gun without an adult to supervise is just asking for something bad to happen.
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Poor granddad :(
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Nothing wrong with the gun being accessible. The bigger problem is them allowing that while knowing the kid is either psychotic or mentally challenged. I assume this is a case where the kid was either constantly in trouble, or he possessed such a lack of understanding of the world that he shoudn't even have been around a butter knife without supervision.

Tmaster148 posted...

I never said they weren't. But kids are idiots and letting them have access to a gun without an adult to supervise is just asking for something bad to happen.

If we treated everyone like they were just a bad day away from murder the world would be very restrictive.
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AsAnIndependent posted...

And we've seen stories where kids younger than 11 have protected a home from an intruder with a gun.

I'm sure that's happened, although I don't recall reading anything like that recently. My 9 sits on my coffee table because I live alone and know there's no risk to anyone by leaving it there. When I have guests and I'm not wearing it, it goes in the biometric safe.

11 seems too old for him to not know what he was doing, so tbqh I think there's more to the story. This was the culmination of something else
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Better now then later.

I mean let's face it, he was clearly going to grow up to be a spree shooter. Better he off some old lady and himself instead a bunch of college girls that rejected him cause he was such a creeper.
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Black_Arch posted...

Better now then later.

I mean let's face it, he was clearly going to grow up to be a spree shooter. Better he off some old lady and himself instead a bunch of college girls that rejected him cause he was such a creeper.

Dark.
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Black_Arch posted...

Better now then later.

I mean let's face it, he was clearly going to grow up to be a spree shooter. Better he off some old lady and himself instead a bunch of college girls that rejected him cause he was such a creeper.

You've been making a lot of these kind of posts lately. What's up
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Black_Arch posted...

Better now then later.

I mean let's face it, he was clearly going to grow up to be a spree shooter. Better he off some old lady and himself instead a bunch of college girls that rejected him cause he was such a creeper.

Shut the fuck up
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Jordan Peterson is gonna have the run for his money over this one.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Black_Arch posted...

Better now then later.

I mean let's face it, he was clearly going to grow up to be a spree shooter. Better he off some old lady and himself instead a bunch of college girls that rejected him cause he was such a creeper.

You've been making a lot of these kind of posts lately. What's up

I made a bunch of posts about murderous gun toting children? I don't remember that happening. Maybe I was drunk posting, ha ha.
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Kids shouldn't have access to guns. Simple as that.

You need maturity to be able to own a gun and I think people under the age of 18 have no business touching one. Maybe they can learn to shoot under direct supervision but kids are dumb and will fuck up more than they don't.
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Liberals will say this means we need more gun laws

but it's already illegal for an 11 year old to have access to guns
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AsAnIndependent posted...

And we've seen stories where kids younger than 11 have protected a home from an intruder with a gun.

There's also the fact that even without a gun, this kid probably could've still did this crime with a non-gun weapon.

While you can't really say the same for defending against a home intruder.

You don't need a gun to surprise attack someone that trusts you. But you do need a gun to protect yourself from an invader.
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This is so far from what really happened. There is far more to the story that they dont tell. I am very sure there was different types of abuse to the kid in the past. No kid is going to shoot someone because they are filled with happiness and rainbows.
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Rain_Dust posted...

This is so far from what really happened. There is far more to the story that they dont tell. I am very sure there was different types of abuse to the kid in the past. No kid is going to shoot someone because they are filled with happiness and rainbows.

Humans don't normally kill one another without some form of mental illness involved.
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Steve Nick posted...

Rain_Dust posted...

This is so far from what really happened. There is far more to the story that they dont tell. I am very sure there was different types of abuse to the kid in the past. No kid is going to shoot someone because they are filled with happiness and rainbows.

Humans don't normally kill one another without some form of mental illness involved.

What mental illness causes you to kill people? How can we screen for this mental illness?
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my first post was modded for "trolling"
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AsAnIndependent posted...

my first post was modded for "trolling"

Because why the fuck should a kid have access to a gun
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Black_Arch got warned for that...
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Solid Sonic posted...

Black_Arch got warned for that...

Shouldn't really be surprised it got modded.
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Kids are dumb. Like hell they should have ready access to a gun.

frAsAnIndependent posted...

And we've seen stories where kids younger than 11 have protected a home from an intruder with a gun.

And we've seen many more stories where kids younger than 11 have played around with a gun and shot themselves/friends/family members.

Tmaster148 posted...

AsAnIndependent posted...

Iffy on this. If you own a gun you'd want your family to know where it is and how to access it if they need it for safety.

Freak accident happen though.

An 11 year old shouldn't have access to a gun without supervision. Grandfather shouldn't have left the gun and ammo in an easy to access spot for the 11 year old.

Who says it was easily accessible
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pikachupwnage posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

AsAnIndependent posted...

Iffy on this. If you own a gun you'd want your family to know where it is and how to access it if they need it for safety.

Freak accident happen though.

An 11 year old shouldn't have access to a gun without supervision. Grandfather shouldn't have left the gun and ammo in an easy to access spot for the 11 year old.

Who says it was easily accessible

If he got ahold of the gun then it was easily accessible by definition.
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fenderbender321 posted...

When I was about 10, my dad told me where "the pistol" was in our house. It was in a box tucked away in the back of the closet in my parents bedroom. It was unloaded, but ammo for it was also sitting right there in that same box. I never touched it once.

This happened
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Learning posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

When I was about 10, my dad told me where "the pistol" was in our house. It was in a box tucked away in the back of the closet in my parents bedroom. It was unloaded, but ammo for it was also sitting right there in that same box. I never touched it once.

This happened

I mean, is it not implausible? This happens all the time . . .
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Learning posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

When I was about 10, my dad told me where "the pistol" was in our house. It was in a box tucked away in the back of the closet in my parents bedroom. It was unloaded, but ammo for it was also sitting right there in that same box. I never touched it once.

This happened

I mean, is it not implausible? This happens all the time . . .

He's saying the people of this board constantly make up anything so long as it wins them an argument.
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It's about as plausible as fender's anecdote about meeting a racist dude who despised Hispanics yet went out of his way to help some whose car broke down in the middle of the road
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