Board 8 > Danganronpa Mafia: CHAPTER 2: Part 3

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LIVING

1. HanOfTheNekos
2. (FFnut) SultanofSlam
3. DarkYoungLink
4. Obelisk
5. Neablis
6. Johnbob
7. Turbopuns2
8. KanzarisKelshin
9. (Zyxyz0) IfGodCouldDie
10. Htaed
11. (Greengravy) Sheep
12. Forceful_Dragon
13. Doopliss_Power
14. Corrik

DEAD

DK1. DoomTheGyarados, ULTIMATE MAFIA PLAYER - TOWN Day Hider
LD1. Scarechan, ULTIMATE GUNSLINGER - TOWN Vanilla

[5] Han - (Kanz), Corrik, (Puns), Doop, Neab, (Death), Kanz, Sheep
[3] Obellisk - (Puns), DYL, FD, Puns
[2] DYL - (Kanz), IGCD, Han, (Sultan), (Puns), (Neab)
[1] Sultan - Johnbobb
[1] Johnbobb - Sultan, (Puns), (Doopliss)
[0] Neab - (Puns), (Corrik), (Kanz), (Doop)
[0] Puns - (FD)
[0] IGCD - (Kanz), (Johnbobb)
[0] Corrik - (IGCD)
[0] Sheep - (Kanz)
[0] Kanz - (Corrik)

DAY ENDS AT 10 PM, 2 AND A HALF HOURS FROM NOW
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Reposting something I asked Han in the previous topic:

So you think the ISOs he's done in the last...I wanna say few hours are empty? Nothing of substance in them at all? I'm surprised considering you also didn't like SBell and DYL's notes on him look decent to me, for instance.

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tag
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Kanz, here's my questions for you:

Recall Hearthstone mafia. Why did I think Ulti was Scum? Was my insistence that he was Scum because people were generally agreeing with me?

You can ask other players about Dance With Dragons mafia - I'd say ask Scare, because I pulled the same thing on him (called him Scum 100%, people didn't listen to me) but we can't because a bunch of boneheads decided they would lynch him yesterday instead of listening to me, a confirmed better player.

I play games nowadays by reading when I can and providing my thoughts as they come. If there is nothing new to add, I don't really put in the effort to type out a post on my phone, since 80% of my playtime is on phone.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

So you think the ISOs he's done in the last...I wanna say few hours are empty? Nothing of substance in them at all? I'm surprised considering you also didn't like SBell and DYL's notes on him look decent to me, for instance.

Like I said, his content currently doesn't matter to me. And when I'm struggling to catch up while responding to 800 student questions, I tend to skim over walls anyway.
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Obellisk posted...

Seriously. My children are better than you.

wut?

'K. Can you read that one in particular and give me your thoughts on it?

And to answer...

Recall Hearthstone mafia. Why did I think Ulti was Scum? Was my insistence that he was Scum because people were generally agreeing with me?

No, you thought he was scum on gut and knowing him. That game is why I didn't like your play here, because when things weren't going your way you made a looooot of noise calling for his head and didn't really stop fighting for it at any point.

(if anyone else has comments on this please share btw. Deadline's in 95ish minutes and I want to hear everyone's thoughts here.)
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This literally makes no sense. Kanz, claim is bs. The people voting Han are bs. Get back on DYL, lynch scum!
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##unvote
##vote:sbell

this feels right
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

This literally makes no sense. Kanz, claim is bs. The people voting Han are bs. Get back on DYL, lynch scum!

Give reasons because I am not hopping off Han with this weak shit lmao

I'm staking my life on this and you think I'm going to flinch over this?
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This literally makes no sense. Kanz, claim is bs. The people voting Han are bs. Get back on DYL, lynch scum!

Give reasons because I am not hopping off Han with this weak shit lmao

I'm staking my life on this and you think I'm going to flinch over this?

So you're saying you expect to be lynched tomorrow if he flips town?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't have any questions for DYL. He voted me for the flimsiest reasoning day 1, stuck with it, then popped a surprise "this is the real reason!" way later. He's made posts that scream Scum.

A Town player would've acknowledged, especially with other people saying it, that what they said initially didn't make sense and make efforts to clarify. That is not what DYL did. He changed his story, acted like nothing was wrong, then basically ghosted.

I have no questions because I am convinced he is Scum.

Bold is very telling. You don't want to figure me out, you "know" I'm scum. You even "guaranteed" it. It's just a shame that you're completely and utterly wrong and you plugging your ears and going "Nope, you totally just voted me because I came in late! Absolutely nothing scummy with my play and behavior!" is laughable.

You literally want people to mislynch me off your dumbass guarantee. What excuse will you pull out of you ass if you succeed and I flip town? "Oh ho ho, I guess DYL was just bad at mafia!". You speak so confidently about me but you not only is your entire beef against me one big counter vote, but the so called "master" scumhunter refuses to even pursue other avenues.

If I"m "guaranteed" scum, why waste so much time on me day 1? Why not actually prove to town why X/Y/Z are scum as well?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

DYL/SBell/Doop/Neab/Death

That's Scum.

Tell us why. I want to see you actually scum hunt, not sit around and wait for my mislynch.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I also really don't like Doop saying that we should turn Han into a corpse before believing his read on DYL. It's too much like trying to set up a future mislynch.

This is a fair point.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

That game is why I didn't like your play here, because when things weren't going your way you made a looooot of noise calling for his head and didn't really stop fighting for it at any point.

Kanz... things were going my way. The only other thing that was happening was pressure being put on SBell, who I asked if he would claim and he said yes. Was expecting him to claim however.

I'll go read through DYL post real quick.
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I mean this is easy to confirm.

Idc if you think I'm scum at this point Han. Were you blocked last night?

Dark Young Link posted...

100 contradictions

Listen bud, I don't know what to tell you, but you need to read your posts before you post them. In this 1 post, you:

1. Say you didn't vote me just for not having read the game, when literally I had posted like twice saying I didn't read the game, with you specifically saying that's why you voted me.

2. Blamed me for not looking for other Scum when I have provided thoughts on other people, literally quoting me doing it.

3. To answer your question, I read the game and find Scum through that. My posts do not increase my ability to find Scum. I do not have to post to find Scum. I do that by reading.
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A 3-person 3 vote split is things going your way? Seriously? >_>

IfGodCouldDie posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This literally makes no sense. Kanz, claim is bs. The people voting Han are bs. Get back on DYL, lynch scum!

Give reasons because I am not hopping off Han with this weak shit lmao

I'm staking my life on this and you think I'm going to flinch over this?

So you're saying you expect to be lynched tomorrow if he flips town?

Absolutely. If Han's town, it'll lose one of its strongest voices and people will call for my head, and they'll be right to do so. I did not throw this info out lightly, I knew what the risks were. So unless you have something stronger than the risk of death, get the hell outta here with those DYL lynch callouts.
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Yes, especially when enough people said that they supported it. It was like, 3 different people getting votes with 2 votes each. And one of the other people was someone who I have felt bad about. Regardless, there weren't really any emergent trains, especially none for someone I would heavily fight against (like I should have D1), so I've been assuming that DYL was going to be lynched the whole day. No reason to think otherwise.

And I read DYL's posts on SBell. I might just be biased at this point but his arguments seemed mostly senseless and not the correct arguments to make on SBell.
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Johnbobb posted...

##unvote
##vote:sbell

this feels right

A

Nice to see your done jerking around with votes on Sultan
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Yes, especially when enough people said that they supported it. It was like, 3 different people getting votes with 2 votes each. And one of the other people was someone who I have felt bad about. Regardless, there weren't really any emergent trains, especially none for someone I would heavily fight against (like I should have D1), so I've been assuming that DYL was going to be lynched the whole day. No reason to think otherwise.

And I read DYL's posts on SBell. I might just be biased at this point but his arguments seemed mostly senseless and not the correct arguments to make on SBell.

Aight. Sell me on why SBell is the right call, because I do feel DYL is at the very least making real attempts and I don't feel him as a lynch at all.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

This literally makes no sense. Kanz, claim is bs. The people voting Han are bs. Get back on DYL, lynch scum!

What's your opinion on SBell?
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Obellisk posted...

Johnbobb posted...

##unvote
##vote:sbell

this feels right

A

Nice to see your done jerking around with votes on Sultan

sultan's still pretty scummy but between sbell/kan/dyl this feels the least bad
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Yes, especially when enough people said that they supported it. It was like, 3 different people getting votes with 2 votes each. And one of the other people was someone who I have felt bad about. Regardless, there weren't really any emergent trains, especially none for someone I would heavily fight against (like I should have D1), so I've been assuming that DYL was going to be lynched the whole day. No reason to think otherwise.

And I read DYL's posts on SBell. I might just be biased at this point but his arguments seemed mostly senseless and not the correct arguments to make on SBell.

Aight. Sell me on why SBell is the right call, because I do feel DYL is at the very least making real attempts and I don't feel him as a lynch at all.

But I'm stubborn and want DYL lynched.

SBell has been waffling on me this game. Came in and hopped with DYL on me right away (which I believe was after I said SBell was likely Scum, so feels defensive). Then later popped off of me after seeing DYL was gaining no traction on me. Then joined me in pushing DYL.

Even today, he went from "I've been convincing myself Han is Town" to... well, he's not on me, but he's not on DYL either so I'm not sure what's up with that.
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Johnbobb posted...

Obellisk posted...

Johnbobb posted...

##unvote
##vote:sbell

this feels right

A

Nice to see your done jerking around with votes on Sultan

sultan's still pretty scummy but between sbell/kan/dyl this feels the least bad

This Sultan play lines up from what I remember from him in... Chris mafia? Didn't seem to make a lot of sense (slight language barrier iirc), thought processes were hard to follow - thought it was Scummy then, but it turned out he was Town. Think he's Town now. And he replaced FFnut who reeked of Towniness.
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Alright.

@turbopuns2 , what's your take on Han's defense so far? @Corrik ?

(Anyone else who wants to comment, by all means go ahead.)
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Did he claim yet
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Can I point out that doop is an excellent lynch today, and one I really believe in if we are throwing out names.

Read whatvI said earlier about him setting up dyl, also his read on kanz. He stated he gave a read on it during eod but I went back through it and he never does really when asked about it repeatedly he says he just does not want to lynch town.

When myself sheep and God ask h I'll m why he just repeats it he knows kanz is town.

Today when confronted with it he sort of avoided kanz question why he thought he was town during eod and answered why he thought he was town today.

Also he states somewhat his read on kanz yesterday is based off of having a good feeling but not being able to remember posts.

I think he is scum based on the way his reads have developed during the game and how he has approached lynches.

Corrik has no interest in putting a real effort into this game.
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nope

That'd honestly be appreciated right about now Han

If you're really town don't leave us hanging til the last minute
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Han wasting MY FUCKING TIME when I should have been working on this instead.

Johnbob...

Starts off by trying to guess Ultimates for whatever reason. Page 1 fluff.

Corrik fishing at Pirate's RPing seems dumb, but it's hard to tell if its an actual fake bad play or just trolling

RPing is basically fluff unless it has a purpose, so it seems a bit strange he takes issue with Corrik for calling Pirate out. Though he later admits he wanted to RP his role too so maybe it was just him saying "Don't be a spoiled sport".

He doesn't like Harris being so confident about Chris, nor does he believe Chris actually suspects puns.

Leaning scum on Harris because of his defeatist attitude, Chris is a question mark, suspects Corrik for his interaction with Harris. Later asks me for a claim. I question him why and ask for his reads, he tells me to look at the previous page, but he looked pretty on the fence to me overall. Suspecting Harris wasn't exactly controversial.

Votes up FD...

Johnbobb posted...

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Obellisk posted...

Host said role pms would be posted with deaths.

Yeah he said that AFTER someone killed Chris.

benjamin3740 posted...

GAME SPECIFIC RULES
- When a player dies, their entire role and flavor will be posted in the flip.

##Vote: FD

John and Puns gets into a spat regarding the importance of flavor.

Later votes Scare, who says something he doesn't like.

Johnbobb posted...

ScareChan posted...

Johns start of day looked really good. I think he is just misguided town right now reading too much into a replace

I'm normally the last person to think getting a replace is scummy

but that... that was bad

Mentions he feels neutral on Sbell, but also admits he wasn't paying him much attention.
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Han said everything I expected him to basically. He'd never pinged me as scum before so far and I know he's busier than he used to be so...I don't see any reason for lynching him. A roleblock + no kill following a day where scum had a hidden day kill isn't nearly enough to convince me to lynch someone who I hadn't previously thought of as scum at all over people who I've on multiple occasions thought looked scummy.

Dyl I'll get to your question in a few minutes or tommorow but I'd like han to answer about the rb to

But if I don't claim then Corrik will mindlessly push for my lynch, I flip Town, and then people will still claim that Corrik is good at mafia despite evidence showing otherwise :(
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

But if I don't claim then Corrik will mindlessly push for my lynch, I flip Town, and then people will still claim that Corrik is good at mafia despite evidence showing otherwise :(

Yeah but on the other hand if you're town and you sell me on it, we go for sbell, and if he flips we run a train on the scum, so, like

you win some you lose some, ya know?
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Neablis posted...

Dyl I'll get to your question in a few minutes or tommorow but I'd like han to answer about the rb to

?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Neablis posted...

Dyl I'll get to your question in a few minutes or tommorow but I'd like han to answer about the rb to

?

Maybe I missed it, God was saying the claim was bs. Were you rb last night?

Also if you could read what I posted about doop as well

(grabbing food quickly - I would really appreciate that claim Han. Gimme a reason to believe in you.)
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

But if I don't claim then Corrik will mindlessly push for my lynch, I flip Town, and then people will still claim that Corrik is good at mafia despite evidence showing otherwise :(

Yeah but on the other hand if you're town and you sell me on it, we go for sbell, and if he flips we run a train on the scum, so, like

you win some you lose some, ya know?

Here's the thing though - either I have a night action and you are telling the truth and I have nothing to offer because I was roleblocked, or I have no night action and nothing to offer.

(If I had an action and wasn't blocked I of course would not still be saying I think you're Town)
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Neablis posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Neablis posted...

Dyl I'll get to your question in a few minutes or tommorow but I'd like han to answer about the rb to

?

Maybe I missed it, God was saying the claim was bs. Were you rb last night?

Also if you could read what I posted about doop as well

Doop is a good lynch target but I said we're lynching DYL and Town tends to lose when it doesn't listen to me sooooooo...

And to answer the other question, look at my previous response to Kanz.
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Yeah okay I was right this train on Han is pretty awful. Makes little sense. The best point was the inactiveness?! Well he is here now and ready to go. What I've seen from han before in this game seems genuine to me.

Dyl is confusing to me takes 1 step forward 2 steps back then 3 steps forward. I really cant get a good read on him.

Sbell seems to be a good option some good points have been made against sbell.

Out of the 3 I'm less likely to put my vote in Han at this time. It's a toss up. Would like to see how some of this plays out more before making my decision
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So is the working theory that because there was no kill and our roleblocker took a shot in the dark that Han is scum?

Because there are a plethora of other options out there
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This literally makes no sense. Kanz, claim is bs. The people voting Han are bs. Get back on DYL, lynch scum!

What's your opinion on SBell?

None at the moment.
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Near EoD

Johnbobb posted...

little tight on time tonight for reasons

anyway anyone can quickly recap the argument for DYL > Scare?

I frankly haven't liked either from what I've seen of them but I haven't caught much of what DYL's done tonight

Either no one answered this, or he didn't respond to it.

Doesn't like the Kanz attempt. The next day he elaborates that he still doesn't like the Kanz attempt, but also doesn't like people assuming Kanz is confirmed town.

Votes IGCD, though that appears to be accidental as once he sees who replaced who he votes for Sultan.

..And John suddenly acts really contrary. Like Han basically, refusing to elaborate his scum read on Sultan(Though later suggest IGCD and Sultan are scummates)

Johnbobb posted...

hey Han look closely at Slam's posts on the last three pages and see if anything jumps out at you

His reasoning is still unexplained, so it's strange why he'd suddenly ask Han if anything regarding Sultan jumps out.

Eventually he reveals his uh... reasoning.

Johnbobb posted...

let's say 50% fucking around, and 50% I do legitimately think Sultan and IGCD are scum for reasons I don't feel like I can properly explain yet

Johnbobb posted...

mostly just taunting sultan

and a little bit you because you got hyper serious

So John is basically trolling....

God if I was dayvig I promise you Bob would be flipped by now.

John finally gets his head out of his ass.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77174389/911929807
(Because this is a cluster of quotes)

He also suspected FFNut's claim, and questions why he'd mention he'd be immune to the maf kill right away(A good point actually).

I don't get why he was so contrary, and that's coming for someone who's contrary. Telling people to fuck off is one thing, but to troll people who are trying to play the game? Bob jumps back and fourth between scummy and towny. It's like a lot of his posts are just to fill up space instead of actually contribute. Not all of his posts, but enough to make me lean scum when it comes to him.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

But if I don't claim then Corrik will mindlessly push for my lynch, I flip Town, and then people will still claim that Corrik is good at mafia despite evidence showing otherwise :(

Yeah but on the other hand if you're town and you sell me on it, we go for sbell, and if he flips we run a train on the scum, so, like

you win some you lose some, ya know?

Here's the thing though - either I have a night action and you are telling the truth and I have nothing to offer because I was roleblocked, or I have no night action and nothing to offer.

(If I had an action and wasn't blocked I of course would not still be saying I think you're Town)

Han

If you're town, you have to trust me on this. I led this lynch because I was confident it had to be pursued and was willing to bet my life on it needing to be said and cleared. I'm not listening for kicks and giggles. If you're town, if you think you can win us this game still, I need you to claim. It's not for naught, just do it.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Neablis posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Neablis posted...

Dyl I'll get to your question in a few minutes or tommorow but I'd like han to answer about the rb to

?

Maybe I missed it, God was saying the claim was bs. Were you rb last night?

Also if you could read what I posted about doop as well

Doop is a good lynch target but I said we're lynching DYL and Town tends to lose when it doesn't listen to me sooooooo...

And to answer the other question, look at my previous response to Kanz.

Ok I'll take that.

However all of the iso work dyl has done looks Really good for him he is pretty clearly reading and critically thinking when your lynch was pretty secure when he started.

It doesn't make a ton of sense for scum, not that he can't be scum but a lot of this stuff hes saying reads genuine atm.

1 HOUR REMAINS

[5] Han - (Kanz), Corrik, (Puns), Doop, Neab, (Death), Kanz, Sheep
[4] Obellisk - (Puns), DYL, FD, Puns, Johnbobb
[2] DYL - (Kanz), IGCD, Han, (Sultan), (Puns), (Neab)
[1] Johnbobb - Sultan, (Puns), (Doopliss)
[0] Sultan - (Johnbobb)
[0] Neab - (Puns), (Corrik), (Kanz), (Doop)
[0] Puns - (FD)
[0] IGCD - (Kanz), (Johnbobb)
[0] Corrik - (IGCD)
[0] Sheep - (Kanz)
[0] Kanz - (Corrik)
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Neablis posted...

However all of the iso work dyl has done looks Really good for him he is pretty clearly reading and critically thinking when your lynch was pretty secure when he started.

It doesn't make a ton of sense for scum, not that he can't be scum but a lot of this stuff hes saying reads genuine atm.

Its the kind of work as scum I only do if I make it to the final day.

I'd say dyl has come across as a beacon of town the last couple pages.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Corrik has no interest in putting a real effort into this game.

Yeah I am super distracted between UNC basketball game and election
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

nope

That'd honestly be appreciated right about now Han

If you're really town don't leave us hanging til the last minute

Oh I am not changing my vote regardless. With is being confirmed that the 2 visitors to sheep was basically not a kill doc save scenario, the roleblock would explain the no night kill. And that is damning. Barring a credible claim, I am not changing on that.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

1. Say you didn't vote me just for not having read the game, when literally I had posted like twice saying I didn't read the game, with you specifically saying that's why you voted me.

2. Blamed me for not looking for other Scum when I have provided thoughts on other people, literally quoting me doing it.

3. To answer your question, I read the game and find Scum through that. My posts do not increase my ability to find Scum. I do not have to post to find Scum. I do that by reading.

You coming in late isn't what damns you, your tunneling, your refusal to follow up on other scumspects, and your difficult explaining yourself do. You can give one word summaries for one or two people, but ultimately you just aren't trying to win this game for town.

There is a difference between "Yeah, Sbell is also scum" and actually exposing him for scum. You push on me because herp derp Guarantee! except you're basically expecting town to mislynch on a salty counter vote.

Oh hey, you finally explained Sbell! You say he's waffly. It only too you what 40ish hours?
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

If you're town, you have to trust me on this. I led this lynch because I was confident it had to be pursued and was willing to bet my life on it needing to be said and cleared. I'm not listening for kicks and giggles. If you're town, if you think you can win us this game still, I need you to claim. It's not for naught, just do it.

I would rather wait to claim tomorrow (given I live through the night)
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

If you're town, you have to trust me on this. I led this lynch because I was confident it had to be pursued and was willing to bet my life on it needing to be said and cleared. I'm not listening for kicks and giggles. If you're town, if you think you can win us this game still, I need you to claim. It's not for naught, just do it.

I would rather wait to claim tomorrow (given I live through the night)

Not a chance. This is a matter of trust. If you claim (and soon - I don't want any 15 minute scrambles at the last possible moment), I'm willing to consider other options. If you don't, I'm not going anywhere and your odds of dying are through the roof. Gimme something and you'll get something back. Trust me.
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