Current Events > C/D: Democrats should have more focus on what makes rural areas so conservative.

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These towns are often conservative for a reason, because, among other reasons, regulations are seriously hurting their primary industries, and they're attempting to fight back against them while many democrats just yell that those regulations are important, and don't take into account the issues. We need to find ways to help these towns while keeping important regulations in place :/

Guns, god, gays, abortion
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Hillary ignoring the Rust Belt is probably in the top three things that cost her the election.
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it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them
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Lack of education, diversity and an inferiority complex?
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DrizztLink posted...

Hillary ignoring the Rust Belt is probably in the top three things that cost her the election.

You aren't wrong.

Religion and Ignorance. Playing up to ignorance should not be what they do tbh. What the Democrats fight for WOULD help them...they just vote against it.
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Bestoffuture posted...

Guns, god, gays, abortion

Cousins, bigotry, pickup trucks
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Lack of education, diversity and an inferiority complex?

sweeping generalization 1
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Being pro choice cuts out at least 75% percent of them, if not higher. And stupid culture war identity politics(Religion, "PC Culture", LGBT+, etc) cover the rest.

A lot of time both of those things overlap.

Democrats that can focus on more of a populist type message that shows the people that the GOP is forever the party that is fucking over workers rights will stand a chance at winning them over. The ones that did so in the Rust Belt this last midterm were the ones that were able to win their races.
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http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/party-affiliation/

According to this, evangelicals and mormons are the only religious affiliations where the majority of the people are right leaning.
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I really do wonder the real percentage of people who vote solely based on abortion, on both sides.

I think dems just need to go pro gun for a few years tbh.
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I think the divide between urban and rural areas are a big issue for politics in general.

I mean for example having a gun is a significantly different scenario in a densely populated city compared to a rural farm that deals with wild animals.

That's just one specific scenario and it gets a whole lot more complicated than that. There's no catch all solution that works for both.

I have no idea what the solution is.
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AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

As someone who's lived in rural conservative areas for most of my life, that's exactly what they are

Like you guys make fun of the "Hillary's emails! Obama's a muslim!" Conservatives, but that's what people here really think

They actually think Trump is making America great again
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C_Pain posted...

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/party-affiliation/

According to this, evangelicals and mormons are the only religious affiliations where the majority of the people are right leaning.

I would need to see it broken down by population size to get a more accurate reading. And by region too, because there is a shit ton of evangelicals in the south.
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I'd be fine with appealing to them on a state-level economic standpoint. It's just their take on social issues is fucking stupid.
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MarqueeSeries posted...

AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

As someone who's lived in rural conservative areas for most of my life, that's exactly what they are

Like you guys make fun of the "Hillary's emails! Obama's a muslim!" Conservatives, but that's what people here really think

They actually think Trump is making America great again

More accurately most of them will say "trump is our only shot"
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Smashingpmkns posted...

I think dems just need to go pro gun for a few years tbh.

Or just take it off the platform entirely. There are far more important issues. Let's be honest, most of these shootings would have happened with or without strong gun control. Some might have even been worse in cases where a civilian partially saves the day with their own weapon. I'm convinced Beto would have won Texas if he hadn't jumped on the "ban 'assault' weapons" train.

Steve Nick posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

As someone who's lived in rural conservative areas for most of my life, that's exactly what they are

Like you guys make fun of the "Hillary's emails! Obama's a muslim!" Conservatives, but that's what people here really think

They actually think Trump is making America great again

More accurately most of them will say "trump is our only shot"

That's it. Let your bigotry shine
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VictimComplex posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

I think dems just need to go pro gun for a few years tbh.

Or just take it off the platform entirely. There are far more important issues. Let's be honest, most of these shootings would have happened with or without strong gun control. Some might have even been worse in cases where a civilian partially saves the day with their own weapon. I'm convinced Beto would have won Texas if he hadn't jumped on the "ban 'assault' weapons" train.

Democrats have made themselves the party of gun control. Even if they removed it from their platform entirely nobody would trust them on it (and for good reason).
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Roxborough4Ever posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Lack of education, diversity and an inferiority complex?

sweeping generalization 1

Nah just trying to get to the root of the issue. An educated, diverse population without an inferiority complex doesn't vote for Trump.
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Guide posted...

I'd be fine with appealing to them on a state-level economic standpoint. It's just their take on social issues is fucking stupid.

It's not about flipping all of them, just about the 10% or so who would agree with the economic platforms enough to push aside the social issues. The people are there. I mean, look how well someone like Sherrod Brown did in a growing red Ohio this last midterm. And a plethora of House races in places like Iowa and Minnesota.
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VictimComplex posted...

Let's be honest, most of these shootings would have happened with or without strong gun control.

false
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Roxborough4Ever posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Lack of education, diversity and an inferiority complex?

sweeping generalization 1

Uh oh... I sense a Roxy meltdown incoming...
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Gun control, and specifically the actions taken by Bill Clinton in the 90s, is one of the under talked about reasons "Why Hillary Lost". Bill was by far more "gun grabby" than Obama ever was, and Hillary absolutely suffered from that image heading into the 2016 election. I feel one of the reasons Bernie resonated with the more rural populist types in these regions was due to him really not having any big issue with gun ownership and not making it a part of his platform.

Now, I think that if he had won the nomination he would have eventually had to address the issue instead of brushing it aside, especially after the Pulse Nightclub shooting(jesus that really feels like such a long time ago for something that was a little over 2 years ago), but there's no doubt the fear of her gun control measures cost her votes in the MI/PA/WI trio.
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AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

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eggcorn posted...

AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

...what's there to understand? They're largely ignorant when it comes to homosexuality and minorities.
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eggcorn posted...

AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

eggcorn posted...

AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

People who have never seen a Mexican thinking they're coming for their jobs and that Muslims want to blow up their small town that wouldn't even make the news after a terrorist attack sounds like ignorant racist rednecks.

It's funny that places with Mexicans and Muslims in droves in cities that would actually make sense for terrorist attacks aren't begging for a Muslim ban and Wall.
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eggcorn posted...

AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

Victim complex.

They act like racists and then wonder why they are hated?

racism.. so yeah we will pass.
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hey it's the all rural areas are predominantly White and Conservative type casting (ignoring the huge black populations in rural enclaves of the South, Historical Mexican American communities in much of the Southwest and expanding to sections of the Midwest and South, and sizable Native populations in much of the Plains States)
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coolboy11 posted...

hey it's the all rural areas are predominantly White and Conservative type casting (ignoring the huge black populations in rural enclaves of the South, Historical Mexican American communities in much of the Southwest and expanding to sections of the Midwest and South, and sizable Native populations in much of the Plains States)

As we see in ND they make sure that the Native voices are not heard .
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cjsdowg posted...

coolboy11 posted...

hey it's the all rural areas are predominantly White and Conservative type casting (ignoring the huge black populations in rural enclaves of the South, Historical Mexican American communities in much of the Southwest and expanding to sections of the Midwest and South, and sizable Native populations in much of the Plains States)

As we see in ND they make sure that the Native voices are not heard .

The first thing the Democrats should do and make a key issue for their agenda is making the access and ability to vote easier. And I'm talking about overhauling the entire process, including moving it from a fucking Tuesday to a Saturday or Sunday. Go big
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The first thing the Democrats should do and make a key issue for their agenda is making the access and ability to vote easier. And I'm talking about overhauling the entire process, including moving it from a fucking Tuesday to a Saturday or Sunday. Go big


*gamefaqs likes this post*
get some mail in ballots too
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

cjsdowg posted...

coolboy11 posted...

hey it's the all rural areas are predominantly White and Conservative type casting (ignoring the huge black populations in rural enclaves of the South, Historical Mexican American communities in much of the Southwest and expanding to sections of the Midwest and South, and sizable Native populations in much of the Plains States)

As we see in ND they make sure that the Native voices are not heard .

The first thing the Democrats should do and make a key issue for their agenda is making the access and ability to vote easier. And I'm talking about overhauling the entire process, including moving it from a fucking Tuesday to a Saturday or Sunday. Go big

Is early voting not a thing where you are?

I went to one of the local museums last week to vote. In and out in ten minutes.
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Is early voting not a thing where you are?

I went to one of the local museums last week to vote. In and out in ten minutes.


the vast majority of the populace still votes on the general election date, why not make it a date more likely to be free of work constraints, and why not expand the ways you can vote to make the process even easier, Democracies should always make voting as easy and constraint free as possible.
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it should be a Monday, and a national holiday.

alternatively, an entire week.
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They should if they want to win them over, but they won't. The Democrats are a party that want the opposite to them, perhaps better that they don't try to be something they're not.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Roxborough4Ever posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Lack of education, diversity and an inferiority complex?

sweeping generalization 1

Uh oh... I sense a Roxy meltdown incoming...

in your world dude......i like pepsi, he likes coke......too you, thats what a "meltdown" is
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Hicks233 posted...

They should if they want to win them over, but they won't. The Democrats are a party that want the opposite to them, perhaps better that they don't try to be something they're not.

Same could be said of Republicans and their spectacular failure to appeal to anyone that's not a conservative white Christian male.
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DrizztLink posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

cjsdowg posted...

coolboy11 posted...

hey it's the all rural areas are predominantly White and Conservative type casting (ignoring the huge black populations in rural enclaves of the South, Historical Mexican American communities in much of the Southwest and expanding to sections of the Midwest and South, and sizable Native populations in much of the Plains States)

As we see in ND they make sure that the Native voices are not heard .

The first thing the Democrats should do and make a key issue for their agenda is making the access and ability to vote easier. And I'm talking about overhauling the entire process, including moving it from a fucking Tuesday to a Saturday or Sunday. Go big

Is early voting not a thing where you are?

I went to one of the local museums last week to vote. In and out in ten minutes.

It is, but it's quite difficult to get in NY state. Irregardless I always have voted on election day and while I didn't have any trouble voting, the fact is that plenty do. Considering how many other Western nations tend to have their elections on the weekends, simply due to the fact the average person is likely to have more free time on, I see no reason why this shouldn't be a major agenda item.

That and updating machines and in general making access easier and more sufficient. I'd even be able to talk about reasonable voter ID situations if the GOP would be willing to compromise on some key things, such as providing a free ID to any legal citizen, at least initially, every 4 years if needed. And make having to change addresses a more streamlined process and not having it restrict who can vote. Literally every election cycle you hear the same tired stories about difficulties with voting, often intentional by one party mind you. Democrats should make the voting issue a KEY platform moving forward and I think a lot of reasonable people could jump on board to support it.
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OctilIery posted...

80/80

These towns are often conservative for a reason, because, among other reasons, regulations are seriously hurting their primary industries, and they're attempting to fight back against them while many democrats just yell that those regulations are important, and don't take into account the issues. We need to find ways to help these towns while keeping important regulations in place :/

well perhaps these regulations are necessary because these communities rely on industries that are bad for the planet?

glitteringfairy posted...

Steve Nick posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

As someone who's lived in rural conservative areas for most of my life, that's exactly what they are

Like you guys make fun of the "Hillary's emails! Obama's a muslim!" Conservatives, but that's what people here really think

They actually think Trump is making America great again

More accurately most of them will say "trump is our only shot"

That's it. Let your bigotry shine

Just out of curiosity: did you grow in a rural shithole? Cause I did. It's exactly like this; people convinced that Trump is their savior. I'm tired of a comparative handful of bigots who never traveled more than an hour outside of their hometown running everything.

"You're bigots for calling bigots bigots!"

jfc lol

Democrats backing off restrictive, counterproductive regulations that hurt businesses?

LOL will never happen.

Also this...

AlephZero posted...

it's easier to call them ignorant racist rednecks than try to understand them

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people in rural communities can be very isolated, which makes it easy to be brainwashed by propaganda like Trump's
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That's not true. Most of rural America is not suffering from regulations. The coal industry is only a small part of that, and cutting regulations has not helped them in the slightest
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OctilIery posted...

These towns are often conservative for a reason, because, among other reasons, regulations are seriously hurting their primary industries, and they're attempting to fight back against them while many democrats just yell that those regulations are important, and don't take into account the issues.

I just don't think there's any science to support that good buddy
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Yes, if Democrats want to win in 2020 they need to learn how to speak to those in rural areas (and really anyone on the other side except extremists).
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