Current Events > 20 year old Maycee Barber makes her explosive UFC debut last night.

(+) Yeah! (+)

I felt like I was watching the movie "A Star is Born" again. Remember this girl's name people. She's gunning to be the youngest UFC champion in history and has three years to make it happen.

https://streamable.com/oywb3
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she's 20? looks late 30s

That is a lot of blood

holy shit she straight up mauled that chick
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Disappointed, was expecting actual explosions.
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NeverOffended posted...

That is a lot of blood

DrizztLink posted...

holy shit she straight up mauled that chick

Yeahhhhh, this is the 115lb women's division too, so you usually don't see bloody beatings like this since they're lighter and lack the power of higher weight classes
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Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.
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Me while watching that:

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Hexenherz posted...

Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.

It reasonably could have been stopped at any point during the clip, but if you notice, you can see the girl that's being beaten trying to "reasonably defend" herself from the strikes by trying to block her face/grab Maycee's wrists, the ref was just trying to give her any chance she could to defend before stopping it. I do agree this one could have been stopped sooner, especially if you see what happened before this clip started
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HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.

It reasonably could have been stopped at any point during the clip, but if you notice, you can see the girl that's being beaten trying to "reasonably defend" herself from the strikes by trying to block her face/grab Maycee's wrists, the ref was just trying to give her any chance she could to defend before stopping it. I do agree this one could have been stopped sooner, especially if you see what happened before this clip started

So if the ref doesn't stop it because she was "reasonably defending" herself and then she dies of a hemorrhage later is he responsible at all?
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Hexenherz posted...

HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.

It reasonably could have been stopped at any point during the clip, but if you notice, you can see the girl that's being beaten trying to "reasonably defend" herself from the strikes by trying to block her face/grab Maycee's wrists, the ref was just trying to give her any chance she could to defend before stopping it. I do agree this one could have been stopped sooner, especially if you see what happened before this clip started

So if the ref doesn't stop it because she was "reasonably defending" herself and then she dies of a hemorrhage later is he responsible at all?

There was an instance earlier this year where a referee came under a FUCK load of fire and I actually have not seen him referee an event since the incident. He was refereeing Valentina Shevchenko vs Priscila Cachoeira and Shevchenko was dominating the entire fight. She landed over 200 strikes to Cachoeira's 3, and she was controlling on the ground most of the time. https://mmajunkie.com/2018/02/anatomy-of-a-bloodbath-late-stoppage-wasnt-the-only-issue-with-shevchenko-vs-cachoeira It was honestly the worst stoppage I've ever seen in MMA and I'm glad I haven't seen this guy ref lately.

Here are the stats from that fight: https://i2.wp.com/www.warfarestrength.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/lkjhlkjh.png?resize=300%2C300

Shevchenko literally had to finish the fight by submission because Mario Yamasaki would not stop the fight due to her strikes.
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Hexenherz posted...

HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.

It reasonably could have been stopped at any point during the clip, but if you notice, you can see the girl that's being beaten trying to "reasonably defend" herself from the strikes by trying to block her face/grab Maycee's wrists, the ref was just trying to give her any chance she could to defend before stopping it. I do agree this one could have been stopped sooner, especially if you see what happened before this clip started

So if the ref doesn't stop it because she was "reasonably defending" herself and then she dies of a hemorrhage later is he responsible at all?

Uh, no? The rules and guidelines for combat sports do heavily involve medical expert input, you know.

ArchiePeck posted...

Hexenherz posted...

HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.

It reasonably could have been stopped at any point during the clip, but if you notice, you can see the girl that's being beaten trying to "reasonably defend" herself from the strikes by trying to block her face/grab Maycee's wrists, the ref was just trying to give her any chance she could to defend before stopping it. I do agree this one could have been stopped sooner, especially if you see what happened before this clip started

So if the ref doesn't stop it because she was "reasonably defending" herself and then she dies of a hemorrhage later is he responsible at all?

Uh, no? The rules and guidelines for combat sports do heavily involve medical expert input, you know.

I mean I don't know, I don't watch these sports specifically because they are just so outrageous to me.
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HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.

It reasonably could have been stopped at any point during the clip, but if you notice, you can see the girl that's being beaten trying to "reasonably defend" herself from the strikes by trying to block her face/grab Maycee's wrists, the ref was just trying to give her any chance she could to defend before stopping it. I do agree this one could have been stopped sooner, especially if you see what happened before this clip started

So if the ref doesn't stop it because she was "reasonably defending" herself and then she dies of a hemorrhage later is he responsible at all?

There was an instance earlier this year where a referee came under a FUCK load of fire and I actually have not seen him referee an event since the incident. He was refereeing Valentina Shevchenko vs Priscila Cachoeira and Shevchenko was dominating the entire fight. She landed over 200 strikes to Cachoeira's 3, and she was controlling on the ground most of the time. https://mmajunkie.com/2018/02/anatomy-of-a-bloodbath-late-stoppage-wasnt-the-only-issue-with-shevchenko-vs-cachoeira It was honestly the worst stoppage I've ever seen in MMA and I'm glad I haven't seen this guy ref lately.

Here are the stats from that fight: https://i2.wp.com/www.warfarestrength.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/lkjhlkjh.png?resize=300%2C300

Shevchenko literally had to finish the fight by submission because Mario Yamasaki would not stop the fight due to her strikes.

Thank you for this write up and the link, that was an interesting read.
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Hexenherz posted...

HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.

It reasonably could have been stopped at any point during the clip, but if you notice, you can see the girl that's being beaten trying to "reasonably defend" herself from the strikes by trying to block her face/grab Maycee's wrists, the ref was just trying to give her any chance she could to defend before stopping it. I do agree this one could have been stopped sooner, especially if you see what happened before this clip started

So if the ref doesn't stop it because she was "reasonably defending" herself and then she dies of a hemorrhage later is he responsible at all?

There was an instance earlier this year where a referee came under a FUCK load of fire and I actually have not seen him referee an event since the incident. He was refereeing Valentina Shevchenko vs Priscila Cachoeira and Shevchenko was dominating the entire fight. She landed over 200 strikes to Cachoeira's 3, and she was controlling on the ground most of the time. https://mmajunkie.com/2018/02/anatomy-of-a-bloodbath-late-stoppage-wasnt-the-only-issue-with-shevchenko-vs-cachoeira It was honestly the worst stoppage I've ever seen in MMA and I'm glad I haven't seen this guy ref lately.

Here are the stats from that fight: https://i2.wp.com/www.warfarestrength.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/lkjhlkjh.png?resize=300%2C300

Shevchenko literally had to finish the fight by submission because Mario Yamasaki would not stop the fight due to her strikes.

Thank you for this write up and the link, that was an interesting read.

No problem! There is usually a good bit of discussion in the fight threads on the Martial Arts board/The MMA subreddit when a good or bad referee stoppage happens. Don't worry, us fans don't like seeing fighters take more of a beating than they need to.
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She could beat up most CEmen and most guys in the public that arent MMA fighters lol

How does a girl like that find a man to date? The thought I could beat up my boyfriend to a bloody pulp must be such a turn off

Hexenherz posted...

ArchiePeck posted...

Hexenherz posted...

HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.

It reasonably could have been stopped at any point during the clip, but if you notice, you can see the girl that's being beaten trying to "reasonably defend" herself from the strikes by trying to block her face/grab Maycee's wrists, the ref was just trying to give her any chance she could to defend before stopping it. I do agree this one could have been stopped sooner, especially if you see what happened before this clip started

So if the ref doesn't stop it because she was "reasonably defending" herself and then she dies of a hemorrhage later is he responsible at all?

Uh, no? The rules and guidelines for combat sports do heavily involve medical expert input, you know.

I mean I don't know, I don't watch these sports specifically because they are just so outrageous to me.

Do you watch boxing? Because it's pretty much a consensus in the medical community that MMA is less dangerous than that. Boxing has had, since the inception of Marquis of Queensbury rules in 1884, roughly 500 deaths. MMA has had less than 10 in the equivalent of roughly a fifth of that timeframe.

The main difference between boxing & MMA is that the referee is given far greater discretion to stop fights. If a fighter isn't "intelligently defending themselves", either by simply "turtling up" (where a fighter will shield their head with their arms to defend from strikes, but not respond with any strikes of their own) or by ignoring the referee's commands to "improve your position", the refereee can and will stop the fight in the interest of fighter safety. Also, because MMA involves grappling and therefore submission holds, fights don't have to end in a TKO or KO.

As to refs, Mario Yamasaki was good for a long time, but he really fell off in that fight, it was horrendous. Probably the two best MMA refs of all time are "Big" John McCarthy (who helped draft and write the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts, and is now retired doing commentary for Bellator MMA), and Herb Dean (former fighter himself). Dean has made a few bad calls over the years, but nothing like Yamasaki, and McCarthy almost never screwed up in a nearly 20-year reffing career.
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@DiScOrD_tHe_LuNaTiC did you see Herb Deans recent call in a CB Dolloway fight? I think that may have been the worst stoppage I've seen in a long time. I know being a ref is hard, but I kind of lost a bit of respect for Herb after that one :\

Edit for clip: https://streamable.com/wlgzh

Imo, it arguably could have been stopped a little bit before this clip started too.
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

Hexenherz posted...

ArchiePeck posted...

Hexenherz posted...

HowardStern69 posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Um, are they supposed to just let them beat the shit out of them like that? I thought UFC had at least some rules. This seems really unsafe.

It reasonably could have been stopped at any point during the clip, but if you notice, you can see the girl that's being beaten trying to "reasonably defend" herself from the strikes by trying to block her face/grab Maycee's wrists, the ref was just trying to give her any chance she could to defend before stopping it. I do agree this one could have been stopped sooner, especially if you see what happened before this clip started

So if the ref doesn't stop it because she was "reasonably defending" herself and then she dies of a hemorrhage later is he responsible at all?

Uh, no? The rules and guidelines for combat sports do heavily involve medical expert input, you know.

I mean I don't know, I don't watch these sports specifically because they are just so outrageous to me.

Do you watch boxing? Because it's pretty much a consensus in the medical community that MMA is less dangerous than that. Boxing has had, since the inception of Marquis of Queensbury rules in 1884, roughly 500 deaths. MMA has had less than 10 in the equivalent of roughly a fifth of that timeframe.

The main difference between boxing & MMA is that the referee is given far greater discretion to stop fights. If a fighter isn't "intelligently defending themselves", either by simply "turtling up" (where a fighter will shield their head with their arms to defend from strikes, but not respond with any strikes of their own) or by ignoring the referee's commands to "improve your position", the refereee can and will stop the fight in the interest of fighter safety. Also, because MMA involves grappling and therefore submission holds, fights don't have to end in a TKO or KO.

As to refs, Mario Yamasaki was good for a long time, but he really fell off in that fight, it was horrendous. Probably the two best MMA refs of all time are "Big" John McCarthy (who helped draft and write the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts, and is now retired doing commentary for Bellator MMA), and Herb Dean (former fighter himself). Dean has made a few bad calls over the years, but nothing like Yamasaki, and McCarthy almost never screwed up in a nearly 20-year reffing career.

No I don't watch boxing either.

Like, I understand the great amount of skill that goes into both sports and I know that athletes from both could probably kill me with one punch because I'm a tiny person. So the idea of two people who could end my life with one motion of the hand duking it out is kind of interesting, but on the other hand I just don't see it as a really great use of talent/ability... I don't like seeing people bashing each others' heads out.

On your statistics though, I am curious about percentages over raw numbers, since I still think this looks more dangerous (Though as I understand it there are other ways to win MMA than just beating someone until they pass out).
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MMA looks a lot more dangerous, but in boxing you constantly have somebody coming straight for your head, and when he knocks your lights out, you have ten seconds to get back up and get your face slammed in again. You take a huge shot like that in MMA, the fight is likely over, and if it isn't, the follow up shots on the ground likely aren't going to be as strong as a properly placed punch on your feet since your power is generated from the feet.
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I like how mma proved those karate nerds were a bunch of pussies. No flashy shit just pure violence.
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Hexenherz posted...

No I don't watch boxing either.

Like, I understand the great amount of skill that goes into both sports and I know that athletes from both could probably kill me with one punch because I'm a tiny person. So the idea of two people who could end my life with one motion of the hand duking it out is kind of interesting, but on the other hand I just don't see it as a really great use of talent/ability... I don't like seeing people bashing each others' heads out.

On your statistics though, I am curious about percentages over raw numbers, since I still think this looks more dangerous (Though as I understand it there are other ways to win MMA than just beating someone until they pass out).

One reason MMA 'looks' more dangerous is because there's a greater chance of cuts to the face or head happening (the main factors there being the smaller 4oz gloves, being able to strike with elbows, knees, legs, and feet; and the fact that even minor head wounds tend to bleed like crazy). But as former fighter Forrest Griffin put it once: "Not one fighter has ever died from blood loss in an MMA fight. And even if you do, hey, at least you'll be the first."

HowardStern69 posted...

@DiScOrD_tHe_LuNaTiC did you see Herb Deans recent call in a CB Dolloway fight? I think that may have been the worst stoppage I've seen in a long time. I know being a ref is hard, but I kind of lost a bit of respect for Herb after that one :\

Edit for clip: https://streamable.com/wlgzh

Imo, it arguably could have been stopped a little bit before this clip started too.

Yeah. that was pretty inexcusable on Herb's part.
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Goats posted...

I don't watch much UFC, but has their been any word on the punishment for those two UFC fighters who started fighting outside the ring last month? UFC is becoming more and more like WWE and I'm not a big fan.

If you're talking about Conor McGregor and Khabib Nurmagomedov, they've each been suspended indefinitely by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (at least until a hearing next month), and they withheld half of Khabib's fight purse, because they ruled in a preliminary hearing that he started the whole thing by going after Conor's jiu-jitsu coach Dillon Danis.

Realistically, both of them would have probably been medically restricted anyway (a type of 'suspension in name only') until they were cleared for injuries and had neurological checks.
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Give her Big Mac, expose her, Dern is overrated af literally just has a pedigree in jiu jitsu won a sketchy decision and got a lucky punch of

*opponent bleeds like a tomato*

Referee: "Do I stop this? Nah, she's showing signs of life."

Damn she messed her up.

@soulunison2 posted...

Give her Big Mac, expose her, Dern is overrated af literally just has a pedigree in jiu jitsu won a sketchy decision and got a lucky punch of

No

I just want to chime in that I can't ever remember a time that Mario Yamasaki was a good reference. As far back as I can remember, people (rightly) complained about him still getting work.
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NeverOffended posted...

@soulunison2 posted...

Give her Big Mac, expose her, Dern is overrated af literally just has a pedigree in jiu jitsu won a sketchy decision and got a lucky punch of

No

TES_Nut posted...

I like how mma proved those karate nerds were a bunch of pussies. No flashy shit just pure violence.

What? There have been successful karate practicioners in UFC. Stephen Thompson and Lyoto Machida to name a few.
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Touch posted...

TES_Nut posted...

I like how mma proved those karate nerds were a bunch of pussies. No flashy shit just pure violence.

What? There have been successful karate practicioners in UFC. Stephen Thompson and Lyoto Machida to name a few.

Hes talking about the dudes that run McDojos

soulunison2 posted...

Give her Big Mac, expose her, Dern is overrated af literally just has a pedigree in jiu jitsu won a sketchy decision and got a lucky punch of

Mackenzie "Missed Weight" Dern
"The Fakest Accent in the Room" Mackenzie Dern
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codey posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Give her Big Mac, expose her, Dern is overrated af literally just has a pedigree in jiu jitsu won a sketchy decision and got a lucky punch of

Mackenzie "Missed Weight" Dern
"The Fakest Accent in the Room" Mackenzie Dern

That's mean, what if her fake accent is the result of her father beating her every day when she didn't perform well at jiu jitsu practice?
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HowardStern69 posted...

codey posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Give her Big Mac, expose her, Dern is overrated af literally just has a pedigree in jiu jitsu won a sketchy decision and got a lucky punch of

Mackenzie "Missed Weight" Dern
"The Fakest Accent in the Room" Mackenzie Dern

That's mean, what if her fake accent is the result of her father beating her every day when she didn't perform well at jiu jitsu practice?

Doubt it, girl got kicked out of her last camp cuz she was lazy af

HowardStern69 posted...

codey posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Give her Big Mac, expose her, Dern is overrated af literally just has a pedigree in jiu jitsu won a sketchy decision and got a lucky punch of

Mackenzie "Missed Weight" Dern
"The Fakest Accent in the Room" Mackenzie Dern

That's mean, what if her fake accent is the result of her father beating her every day when she didn't perform well at jiu jitsu practice?

I mean it only developed when she was already full grown jiu jitsu champ, so I'm not too worried about any potential child abuse lol
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bump for "the future"
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@TES_Nut posted...

I like how mma proved those karate nerds were a bunch of pussies. No flashy shit just pure violence.

You mean those karate nerds such as Georges St Pierre (kyokushin karate), Lyoto machida (shotokan karate), chinzo machida (same), chuck lydell (Kempo karate), sage northcut (some karate, I forgot), Steven wonderboy Thompson (Kempo karate), Seth petruzelli (karate, I forgot which style), Cung Le (taekwondo aka Korean karate) and many, many others?

DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

Goats posted...

I don't watch much UFC, but has their been any word on the punishment for those two UFC fighters who started fighting outside the ring last month? UFC is becoming more and more like WWE and I'm not a big fan.

If you're talking about Conor McGregor and Khabib Nurmagomedov, they've each been suspended indefinitely by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (at least until a hearing next month), and they withheld half of Khabib's fight purse, because they ruled in a preliminary hearing that he started the whole thing by going after Conor's jiu-jitsu coach Dillon Danis.

Realistically, both of them would have probably been medically restricted anyway (a type of 'suspension in name only') until they were cleared for injuries and had neurological checks.

Goats is right though, UFC is becoming more like WWE. Dana white favors clowns like McGregor and gives championship shots to people who dont deserve them just based on ratings

RoastedCapuccin posted...

How does a girl like that find a man to date? The thought I could beat up my boyfriend to a bloody pulp must be such a turn off

Turn on for me. B)
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spanky1 posted...

RoastedCapuccin posted...

How does a girl like that find a man to date? The thought I could beat up my boyfriend to a bloody pulp must be such a turn off

Turn on for me. B)

But not for them :/

RoastedCapuccin posted...

@TES_Nut posted...

I like how mma proved those karate nerds were a bunch of pussies. No flashy shit just pure violence.

You mean those karate nerds such as Georges St Pierre (kyokushin karate), Lyoto machida (shotokan karate), chinzo machida (same), chuck lydell (Kempo karate), sage northcut (some karate, I forgot), Steven wonderboy Thompson (Kempo karate), Seth petruzelli (karate, I forgot which style), Cung Le (taekwondo aka Korean karate) and many, many others?

To be fair, I'm pretty sure none of them used that as their primary style. They just had a background in it.
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DrizztLink posted...

RoastedCapuccin posted...

@TES_Nut posted...

I like how mma proved those karate nerds were a bunch of pussies. No flashy shit just pure violence.

You mean those karate nerds such as Georges St Pierre (kyokushin karate), Lyoto machida (shotokan karate), chinzo machida (same), chuck lydell (Kempo karate), sage northcut (some karate, I forgot), Steven wonderboy Thompson (Kempo karate), Seth petruzelli (karate, I forgot which style), Cung Le (taekwondo aka Korean karate) and many, many others?

To be fair, I'm pretty sure none of them used that as their primary style. They just had a background in it.

GSP, machida, Thompson and petruzelli do. I excluded others they also had karate background but not as their primary style such as frank mir

how do people enjoy this shit?
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Paper_Okami posted...

how do people enjoy this shit?

How do people enjoy garbage like attack on Titan?

I find combat enjoyable and dabble a little into it myself

soulunison2 posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

how do people enjoy this shit?

How do people enjoy garbage like attack on Titan?

I find combat enjoyable and dabble a little into it myself

idk how that compares at all
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Paper_Okami posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

how do people enjoy this shit?

How do people enjoy garbage like attack on Titan?

I find combat enjoyable and dabble a little into it myself

idk how that compares at all

Attack on Titan sucks

RoastedCapuccin posted...

DrizztLink posted...

RoastedCapuccin posted...

@TES_Nut posted...

I like how mma proved those karate nerds were a bunch of pussies. No flashy shit just pure violence.

You mean those karate nerds such as Georges St Pierre (kyokushin karate), Lyoto machida (shotokan karate), chinzo machida (same), chuck lydell (Kempo karate), sage northcut (some karate, I forgot), Steven wonderboy Thompson (Kempo karate), Seth petruzelli (karate, I forgot which style), Cung Le (taekwondo aka Korean karate) and many, many others?

To be fair, I'm pretty sure none of them used that as their primary style. They just had a background in it.

GSP, machida, Thompson and petruzelli do. I excluded others they also had karate background but not as their primary style such as frank mir

People like to pretend that because McDojos got exposed the legit techniques they teach are useless. Thompson was wheel kicking people to death before he ran into Tyron Woodley.

Sure, a pure karate practioner would get mauled in MMA, but they same can be said about a pure boxer, or a pure jiu jitsu fighter.
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@codey posted...

RoastedCapuccin posted...

DrizztLink posted...

RoastedCapuccin posted...

@TES_Nut posted...

I like how mma proved those karate nerds were a bunch of pussies. No flashy shit just pure violence.

You mean those karate nerds such as Georges St Pierre (kyokushin karate), Lyoto machida (shotokan karate), chinzo machida (same), chuck lydell (Kempo karate), sage northcut (some karate, I forgot), Steven wonderboy Thompson (Kempo karate), Seth petruzelli (karate, I forgot which style), Cung Le (taekwondo aka Korean karate) and many, many others?

To be fair, I'm pretty sure none of them used that as their primary style. They just had a background in it.

GSP, machida, Thompson and petruzelli do. I excluded others they also had karate background but not as their primary style such as frank mir

People like to pretend that because McDojos got exposed the legit techniques they teach are useless. Thompson was wheel kicking people to death before he ran into Tyron Woodley.

Sure, a pure karate practioner would get mauled in MMA, but they same can be said about a pure boxer, or a pure jiu jitsu fighter.

Youre absolutely correct.

There is a huge double standard, I have seen people tell me that even machida, the guy whose gimmick is to bring up karate every single time to promote his familys karate dojo, dont do karate when fighting in MMA because he is not doing horse stances and karate chops. I mean the dude even KOd someone with a crane kick LOL.

The double standard lies in that no one uses a pure style. MMA BJJ is nothing like pure BJJ, MMA Muay Thai is not like pure Muay Thai, etc. Yet only karate gets discounted as not used