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OctilIery 11/13/18 10:19:13 AM #1:	Nevermind how it's obviously illegal even during false arrest, but allowing it is such a terrible idea as it's going to put more cops in danger and lead to more cop AND civilian deaths, while not serving anything :/ <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912328372] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote>Nevermind how it's obviously illegal even during false arrest, but allowing it is such a terrible idea as it's going to put more cops in danger and lead to more cop AND civilian deaths, while not serving anything :/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 11/13/18 10:21:09 AM #2:	What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:912328452] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote>What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/13/18 10:23:12 AM #3:	eston posted... What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested. They literally don't see the problem with the suspect judging his own guilt, probably because they're so caught up in "the system is bad!". <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912328547] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested.</quote> They literally don't see the problem with the suspect judging his own guilt, probably because they're so caught up in "the system is bad!".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/13/18 10:24:45 AM #4:	Something that puts more police in danger? Small sacrifice that needs to be made for liberties, I have no time to deal with conservatears. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:912328614] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote>Something that puts more police in danger? Small sacrifice that needs to be made for liberties, I have no time to deal with conservatears.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/13/18 10:28:45 AM #5:	gunplagirl posted... Something that puts more police in danger? Small sacrifice that needs to be made for liberties, I have no time to deal with conservatears. I'm liberal as it gets, though. I just understand that encouraging people to assume they're in the right and ignore the system we have in place is a dangerous prospect that is going to greatly increase fatal encounters, including fatal for the suspect. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912328784] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Something that puts more police in danger? Small sacrifice that needs to be made for liberties, I have no time to deal with conservatears.</quote> I'm liberal as it gets, though. I just understand that encouraging people to assume they're in the right and ignore the system we have in place is a dangerous prospect that is going to greatly increase fatal encounters, including fatal for the suspect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VectorChaos 11/13/18 10:30:16 AM #6:	You're talking to someone who worships Antifa as heroes. --- "Donald Trump has the most presidential penis of all time" - DifferentialEquation <cite>VectorChaos posted [p:912328841] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote>You're talking to someone who worships Antifa as heroes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 11/13/18 10:31:07 AM #7:	eston posted... What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested. So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"? --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:912328880] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested.</quote> So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZEROWOLF 11/13/18 10:33:59 AM #8:	It is legal to use force to resist an arrest in the State of Texas if Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c) applies. Under Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c): (1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officers (or other persons) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary. In other words, if the police officer uses excessive force against the person, then the use of force in resisting that arrest is justifiable and defensible under state law. --- Sam and Robert are the hitch-hikers on the road. --Necronomicon incantation (The Evil Dead) <cite>ZEROWOLF posted [p:912329001] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote>It is legal to use force to resist an arrest in the State of Texas if Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c) applies. Under Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c): (1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officers (or other persons) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary. In other words, if the police officer uses excessive force against the person, then the use of force in resisting that arrest is justifiable and defensible under state law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/13/18 10:34:15 AM #9:	Bio1590 posted... eston posted... What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested. So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"? More like "understand that during the arrest is not the time or place to fight it". Unless the police are physically harming you, that's very different. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912329017] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested.</quote> So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"?</quote> More like "understand that during the arrest is not the time or place to fight it". Unless the police are physically harming you, that's very different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/13/18 10:34:47 AM #10:	ZEROWOLF posted... It is legal to use force to resist an arrest in the State of Texas if Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c) applies. Under Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c): (1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officers (or other persons) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary. In other words, if the police officer uses excessive force against the person, then the use of force in resisting that arrest is justifiable and defensible under state law. Yeah I should've clarified I'm talking about cases without excessive force. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912329044] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZEROWOLF posted...</cite> <quote>It is legal to use force to resist an arrest in the State of Texas if Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c) applies. Under Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c): (1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officers (or other persons) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary. In other words, if the police officer uses excessive force against the person, then the use of force in resisting that arrest is justifiable and defensible under state law.</quote> Yeah I should've clarified I'm talking about cases without excessive force.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BuzzyTheCat 11/13/18 10:35:38 AM #11:	Bio1590 posted... eston posted... What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested. So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"? You are going to get arrested either way. Your immediate choice is, go peacefully, or get your skull caved in then arrested. Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers. --- This signature has been deleted due to people being much too sensitive about religion. <cite>BuzzyTheCat posted [p:912329078] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested.</quote> So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"?</quote> You are going to get arrested either way. Your immediate choice is, go peacefully, or get your skull caved in then arrested. Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 11/13/18 10:37:19 AM #12:	BuzzyTheCat posted... Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers. Hahahahahahahahaha --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:912329150] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>BuzzyTheCat posted...</cite> <quote>Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers.</quote> Hahahahahahahahaha</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 11/13/18 10:37:22 AM #13:	OctilIery posted... ZEROWOLF posted... It is legal to use force to resist an arrest in the State of Texas if Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c) applies. Under Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c): (1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officers (or other persons) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary. In other words, if the police officer uses excessive force against the person, then the use of force in resisting that arrest is justifiable and defensible under state law. Yeah I should've clarified I'm talking about cases without excessive force. So the person being arrested is able to judge what is excessive but not what is unlawful? <cite>knutjob posted [p:912329152] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZEROWOLF posted...</cite> <quote>It is legal to use force to resist an arrest in the State of Texas if Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c) applies. Under Texas Penal Code Section 9.31(c): (1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officers (or other persons) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary. In other words, if the police officer uses excessive force against the person, then the use of force in resisting that arrest is justifiable and defensible under state law.</quote> Yeah I should've clarified I'm talking about cases without excessive force.</quote> So the person being arrested is able to judge what is excessive but not what is unlawful?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 11/13/18 10:38:35 AM #14:	Bio1590 posted... BuzzyTheCat posted... Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers. Hahahahahahahahaha I'm glad your ignorance is so funny to you --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:912329222] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BuzzyTheCat posted...</cite> <quote>Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers.</quote> Hahahahahahahahaha</quote> I'm glad your ignorance is so funny to you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 11/13/18 10:38:53 AM #15:	comes in and sees conversation Nope Leaves --- Name checks out <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:912329232] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote>comes in and sees conversation Nope Leaves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 11/13/18 10:39:05 AM #16:	OctilIery posted... Bio1590 posted... eston posted... What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested. So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"? More like "understand that during the arrest is not the time or place to fight it". Unless the police are physically harming you, that's very different. This is removing all onus from the police that they shouldn't be arresting you in the first place if it's not a lawful arrest. Why are they allowed a free pass to basically fuck up someone else's life from their (may intentional, maybe not) mistake? --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:912329241] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested.</quote> So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"?</quote> More like "understand that during the arrest is not the time or place to fight it". Unless the police are physically harming you, that's very different.</quote> This is removing all onus from the police that they shouldn't be arresting you in the first place if it's not a lawful arrest. Why are they allowed a free pass to basically fuck up someone else's life from their (may intentional, maybe not) mistake?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 11/13/18 10:39:17 AM #17:	BuzzyTheCat posted... Bio1590 posted... eston posted... What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested. So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"? You are going to get arrested either way. Your immediate choice is, go peacefully, or get your skull caved in then arrested. Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers. don't forget the other consequences. shot or tased. i saw a liveleak video with someone getting shot in the bathroom while resisting arrest (wasn't an accident either). --- I'm pretty much Stu from Rugrats making pudding at 4 in morning because I've lost control of my life - Polycosm <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:912329259] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>BuzzyTheCat posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested.</quote> So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"?</quote> You are going to get arrested either way. Your immediate choice is, go peacefully, or get your skull caved in then arrested. Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers.</quote> don't forget the other consequences. shot or tased. i saw a liveleak video with someone getting shot in the bathroom while resisting arrest (wasn't an accident either).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frogman_295 11/13/18 10:39:26 AM #18:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KRo6oRm7I" data-time=" --- Pastor of Muppets <cite>frogman_295 posted [p:912329267] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KRo6oRm7I" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZEROWOLF 11/13/18 10:39:56 AM #19:	knutjob posted... So the person being arrested is able to judge what is excessive but not what is unlawful? Correct. Texas Penal Code - PENAL 38.03 (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally prevents or obstructs a person he knows is a peace officer or a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction from effecting an arrest, search, or transportation of the actor or another by using force against the peace officer or another. (b) It is no defense to prosecution under this section that the arrest or search was unlawful. --- Sam and Robert are the hitch-hikers on the road. --Necronomicon incantation (The Evil Dead) <cite>ZEROWOLF posted [p:912329292] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote> So the person being arrested is able to judge what is excessive but not what is unlawful?</quote> Correct. Texas Penal Code - PENAL 38.03 (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally prevents or obstructs a person he knows is a peace officer or a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction from effecting an arrest, search, or transportation of the actor or another by using force against the peace officer or another. (b) It is no defense to prosecution under this section that the arrest or search was unlawful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 11/13/18 10:41:11 AM #20:	ZEROWOLF posted... knutjob posted... So the person being arrested is able to judge what is excessive but not what is unlawful? Correct. Texas Penal Code - PENAL 38.03 (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally prevents or obstructs a person he knows is a peace officer or a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction from effecting an arrest, search, or transportation of the actor or another by using force against the peace officer or another. (b) It is no defense to prosecution under this section that the arrest or search was unlawful. I'm questioning the logic behind it, not the law itself. <cite>knutjob posted [p:912329352] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZEROWOLF posted...</cite> <quote><cite>knutjob posted...</cite> <quote> So the person being arrested is able to judge what is excessive but not what is unlawful?</quote> Correct. Texas Penal Code - PENAL 38.03 (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally prevents or obstructs a person he knows is a peace officer or a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction from effecting an arrest, search, or transportation of the actor or another by using force against the peace officer or another. (b) It is no defense to prosecution under this section that the arrest or search was unlawful.</quote> I'm questioning the logic behind it, not the law itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/13/18 11:03:58 AM #21:	Bio1590 posted... OctilIery posted... Bio1590 posted... eston posted... What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested. So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"? More like "understand that during the arrest is not the time or place to fight it". Unless the police are physically harming you, that's very different. This is removing all onus from the police that they shouldn't be arresting you in the first place if it's not a lawful arrest. Why are they allowed a free pass to basically fuck up someone else's life from their (may intentional, maybe not) mistake? They shouldn't, and should absolutely be held accountable. The problem is that legalizing resisting arrest in case of unlawful arrest will encourage people to judge their own innocence, leading to people resisting during lawful arrests. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912330436] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested.</quote> So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"?</quote> More like "understand that during the arrest is not the time or place to fight it". Unless the police are physically harming you, that's very different.</quote> This is removing all onus from the police that they shouldn't be arresting you in the first place if it's not a lawful arrest. Why are they allowed a free pass to basically fuck up someone else's life from their (may intentional, maybe not) mistake?</quote> They shouldn't, and should absolutely be held accountable. The problem is that legalizing resisting arrest in case of unlawful arrest will encourage people to judge their own innocence, leading to people resisting during lawful arrests.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/13/18 11:57:46 AM #22:	kingdrake2 posted... BuzzyTheCat posted... Bio1590 posted... eston posted... What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested. So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"? You are going to get arrested either way. Your immediate choice is, go peacefully, or get your skull caved in then arrested. Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers. don't forget the other consequences. shot or tased. i saw a liveleak video with someone getting shot in the bathroom while resisting arrest (wasn't an accident either). Yup. Exactly why it isn't and shouldn't be legal, it encourages behavior that will lead to more deaths. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912332982] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BuzzyTheCat posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>What gets me is when people say you can resist an unlawful arrest. Who gets to decide that it is unlawful? Certainly not the person being arrested.</quote> So basically "Fuck you, just let the police do what they want to and leave you to deal with all the consequences even though you never should have been arrested"?</quote> You are going to get arrested either way. Your immediate choice is, go peacefully, or get your skull caved in then arrested. Courts decide guilt or innocence. Not defendants or police officers.</quote> don't forget the other consequences. shot or tased. i saw a liveleak video with someone getting shot in the bathroom while resisting arrest (wasn't an accident either).</quote> Yup. Exactly why it isn't and shouldn't be legal, it encourages behavior that will lead to more deaths.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 11/13/18 12:05:01 PM #23:	If the cop is corrupt or not, I will peacefully go down. The court will prove my innocent and then I will sue for a shit ton of money. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Square Enix Defense Force <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:912333346] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote>If the cop is corrupt or not, I will peacefully go down. The court will prove my innocent and then I will sue for a shit ton of money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/13/18 7:42:29 PM #24:	Veggeta X posted... If the cop is corrupt or not, I will peacefully go down. The court will prove my innocent and then I will sue for a shit ton of money. More or less. Also not perfect, but a much better solution. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:912356863] in Why do peo... [t:77198170]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote>If the cop is corrupt or not, I will peacefully go down. The court will prove my innocent and then I will sue for a shit ton of money.</quote> More or less. Also not perfect, but a much better solution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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