Board 8 > Danganronpa Mafia - CHAPTER 5: The Last Shred of Hope

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Johnbobb posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

No. All of town would just have to agree and they would still have majority. Plus if one of those town vote death scum couldn't hammer if death is scum.

that's a really dumb argument

getting all of town to agree on a vote before a single vote is placed just doesn't happen.

if death is scum and he has a doublevote tomorrow, town will lose

No.
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Corrik posted...

6 alive 2 scum 4 town. 4 town votes to 3 scum votes.

Like no idea what you are thinking.

you say that like it's a good thing

if scum can win the game on one single misplaced town vote, it's all but guaranteed scum will win at that point
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Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

No. All of town would just have to agree and they would still have majority. Plus if one of those town vote death scum couldn't hammer if death is scum.

that's a really dumb argument

getting all of town to agree on a vote before a single vote is placed just doesn't happen.

if death is scum and he has a doublevote tomorrow, town will lose

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I feel like John just slipped. He comes across like he knows he's the right lynch.
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Look I wouldnt vote John if I knew I didnt need to. But I cant be around for deadline... and the whole game is at stake here. This feels like fearmongering too.
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Johnbobb posted...

Corrik posted...

6 alive 2 scum 4 town. 4 town votes to 3 scum votes.

Like no idea what you are thinking.

you say that like it's a good thing

if scum can win the game on one single misplaced town vote, it's all but guaranteed scum will win at that point

Scum can win today on a single misplaced town vote. What is your point?
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htaeD posted...

Look I wouldnt vote John if I knew I didnt need to. But I cant be around for deadline... and the whole game is at stake here. This feels like fearmongering too.

I feel this is the 30th time I am going to say this this game. If you are supposedly town, vote for who you think is scum. You continually Tru to justify votes or see who people want you to vote for.
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look corrik, you can try to portray me as a manipulative desperate scum who is trying to obscure facts or widen PoE or whatever, but if people take the time to read my posts they'll see that all i've done is ask questions, try to learn stuff, ask people to doublecheck all my theories, and just generally be pretty open minded. i even tried to work with you and what i want more than anything is for han to get back and help me out if he's town. i've shared my process every step of the way. so i hope people will see that i've been upfront. up to them if they believe this is stubborn town corrik or just fake scum corrik who cares more about shading me than trying to figure me out.

besides that, i like johnbobb's reaction to death here, it feels very "nah cut your bullshit" which is similar to my attitude right now.

it's not fearmongering, it's trying to point out that giving out a doublevote to someone who's alignment you don't know when there are 6 people left in the game is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard

and I can't speak for IGCD but I know Corrik and Death both know better
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

No. All of town would just have to agree and they would still have majority. Plus if one of those town vote death scum couldn't hammer if death is scum.

that's a really dumb argument

getting all of town to agree on a vote before a single vote is placed just doesn't happen.

if death is scum and he has a doublevote tomorrow, town will lose

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I feel like John just slipped. He comes across like he knows he's the right lynch.

explain?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

No. All of town would just have to agree and they would still have majority. Plus if one of those town vote death scum couldn't hammer if death is scum.

that's a really dumb argument

getting all of town to agree on a vote before a single vote is placed just doesn't happen.

if death is scum and he has a doublevote tomorrow, town will lose

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I feel like John just slipped. He comes across like he knows he's the right lynch.

I think he comes off as scum worried that if he is lynched and death gets 2 votes that scum loses for some reason.

Though I can't figure out why
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Corrik posted...

Scum can win today on a single misplaced town vote. What is your point?

they can win on two misplaced town votes

that's still not a good scenario to be in but it's slightly more manageable

there's no reason to knowingly put ourselves in a worse situation
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Johnbobb posted...

it's not fearmongering, it's trying to point out that giving out a doublevote to someone who's alignment you don't know when there are 6 people left in the game is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard

and I can't speak for IGCD but I know Corrik and Death both know better

Are you bitching about neablis or death here?
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Dels posted...

I wish Han was here to talk, because Han also didn't really feel like had much of a direction, even though he really should, shouldn't he?

I'm here now!

And I totally did have a direction. My direction was to see what you had to offer, and while I haven't been around to converse with you much, I've not been swayed away from thinking you're Scum. I'm willing to go through the consideration of what things would like if you weren't, though.

So, to recap:
- IGCD scanned Town.
- Neab gave me an immunity to RB (at this point, Neab HAS to be a role that gives things and kills at the same time for him to be Scum, or there has to be a dedicated Ninja with multiple uses)
- Corrik has been one of my biggest Townreads all game, and he's playing the game like Town. His role makes way more sense as Town, and he has to be lying about his role for me to consider him to not be Town.

Among the remaining:
Johnbobb - tracked going nowhere N2. And was a splinter off the SBell lynch. While these aren't confirming factors, they point away from him being Scum.

Sultan - I want to get a little more into this with the thoughts I had today. FFNut's play and claim is entirely in his favor. If you read it as a Scum ploy, then it makes sense to lie if you have a dayvig to kill Chris while offering this scenario. The thing that gave me pause is that the role claimed is essentially "If you are Town, it is a very bad idea to target me". FFNut/Sultan doesn't even need to actually have the nexus role to claim that - it's a Russian Roulette game, but who would pull the trigger on that? I can't speak for Neab or dead folks, but I wasn't going to risk a scan on someone that might turn up as nothing.

Not only that, but the 'oh my ability was activated btw' from Sultan was... lackluster. I suppose as Town it makes sense to say so, especially if someone decides to check him later, but as Scum it's ensuring that he's not caught in the lie. Only thing that gives me pause is he claimed it after N2, instead of after N1, which is where it would be safe to claim it (though I suppose that might be considered suspicious if he lost it right away).

tl;dr claim makes sense as a relatively safe gamble

Death - When it was time for claims to come out and clear the game up, he actually claimed instead of holding onto it. Not the biggest deal, except JB was obstinate about claiming (IGCD was too, but he had a scan on his side so forgivable)

Puns - Dels spins some good effort, but he's a strong player and coming in as a relief pitcher. What gets me though is that he's putting a lot of stock into this me/Corrik idea, and that's far enough off the wall that it's a clear hail mary trying to avoid some inevitable poe lynches.

So the question is, who is Dels protecting? Himself for one, Neab, JB, and Sultan as well.

So the other question is, is Dels rule-of-3ing with Death in his list?

Anyway, based on the amount of power we have, we know for certain that one of Sultan and Dels is Scum, and possibly both.

My wager is on both.
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Corrik posted...

I think he comes off as scum worried that if he is lynched and death gets 2 votes that scum loses for some reason.

Though I can't figure out why

that is

so dumb

come on corrik
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Johnbobb posted...

Corrik posted...

I think he comes off as scum worried that if he is lynched and death gets 2 votes that scum loses for some reason.

Though I can't figure out why

that is

so dumb

come on corrik

I honestly don't even know if ur talking about death or neab. Neab giving out a double vote with low numbers to a very possible scum player is bad, yes.

But town can't lose by it if they lynch right today.
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Corrik posted...

htaeD posted...

Look I wouldnt vote John if I knew I didnt need to. But I cant be around for deadline... and the whole game is at stake here. This feels like fearmongering too.

I feel this is the 30th time I am going to say this this game. If you are supposedly town, vote for who you think is scum. You continually Tru to justify votes or see who people want you to vote for.

Yeah but I always do that.

You are right though. No sense in waiting anymore

##Vote: John
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I wont be around tonight from 8-9EST, and will only be on mobile between now and late tonight. So here is a FRESH NEW TOPIC.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77205730
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Corrik posted...

I honestly don't even know if ur talking about death or neab. Neab giving out a double vote with low numbers to a very possible scum player is bad, yes.

But town can't lose by it if they lynch right today.

neab giving out a doublevote this late is pretty dumb. but that's a single bad play from a person who fairly new to the game (if he's town and it's true, which is still up in the air)

but experienced mafia players willingly giving a doublevote to a player that's 50/50 at best with scum already close to 50% is pretty inexcusable
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Man it felt like the game's heart stopped for a minute there
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Dels posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Corrik posted...

Johnbobb posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

No. All of town would just have to agree and they would still have majority. Plus if one of those town vote death scum couldn't hammer if death is scum.

that's a really dumb argument

getting all of town to agree on a vote before a single vote is placed just doesn't happen.

if death is scum and he has a doublevote tomorrow, town will lose

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I feel like John just slipped. He comes across like he knows he's the right lynch.

explain?

It feels like there is a lot of confidence in the fact that there will be another day if he is lynched here. It's generally accepted that we are likely mylo and if he is town there shouldn't be a tomorrow if he is lynched and we are mylo.
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