Board 8 > Danganronpa Mafia - CHAPTER 5: The Last Shred of Hope

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I just thought about something, Godfather could be a red herring and Neab and Han could be scum because how else would they coordinate the fake gift given by Neab
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The only people who couldn't be a scum ninja are me and neablis as both are role confirmed.

If Han is town, then IGCD cannot be either as he is scanned town.

If Neab is town, Han being roleblocked is likely as Neab has the power to give immunity to roleblocks which tends to lend credence to them existing.

We have no roleblock claimed for night 1. But then again no power was claimed so it was a shot in the dark on night 1 for a roleblock.

Han claims roleblocked night 2.

Night 3 no roleblock is claimed, but the evidence leads to believe Han was shot night 3 but kanz saved it with a bodyguard. Meaning scum would have roleblocked elsewhere. I was the only claimed power alive then leading to believe they may have tried to roleblock me, but couldn't.

Night 4. No roleblock but Han unbeknownst to scum was given an immunity to roleblocks. (Assuming neab is town). Thus scum didn't kill Han thinking he was bulletproof and tried to roleblock him and failed. But Han went to the nightkill anyways for a pointless scan.

So a lot points to Han being town.

The last part looks very good for neab, but it is possibly a very risky risky risky play by scum to bank on Han scanning wrong.

Idk how likely the scum team would do this.
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Neablis posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well ninja Johnbob could make sense for visiting me night 2 beacuse I was pretty focused on Johnbob day 2

Why would ninja visit you over being untraceable to the kill?

That doesnt make sense

Also a ninja has to have an action to visit someone they shouldn't just be able to move
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##unvote

Giving this some more thought. I missed the ninja possibility earlier.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Neablis posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Well ninja Johnbob could make sense for visiting me night 2 beacuse I was pretty focused on Johnbob day 2

Why would ninja visit you over being untraceable to the kill?

That doesnt make sense

Also a ninja has to have an action to visit someone they shouldn't just be able to move

If a ninja moved night 2, it killed FD. End of story. It is the only way neab can possibly be town also.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I just thought about something, Godfather could be a red herring and Neab and Han could be scum because how else would they coordinate the fake gift given by Neab

Then you have to account for the gift sheep received and the gift death claimed to have received as well.

Corrik posted...

The only people who couldn't be a scum ninja are me and neablis as both are role confirmed.

If Han is town, then IGCD cannot be either as he is scanned town.

If Neab is town, Han being roleblocked is likely as Neab has the power to give immunity to roleblocks which tends to lend credence to them existing.

We have no roleblock claimed for night 1. But then again no power was claimed so it was a shot in the dark on night 1 for a roleblock.

Han claims roleblocked night 2.

Night 3 no roleblock is claimed, but the evidence leads to believe Han was shot night 3 but kanz saved it with a bodyguard. Meaning scum would have roleblocked elsewhere. I was the only claimed power alive then leading to believe they may have tried to roleblock me, but couldn't.

Night 4. No roleblock but Han unbeknownst to scum was given an immunity to roleblocks. (Assuming neab is town). Thus scum didn't kill Han thinking he was bulletproof and tried to roleblock him and failed. But Han went to the nightkill anyways for a pointless scan.

So a lot points to Han being town.

The last part looks very good for neab, but it is possibly a very risky risky risky play by scum to bank on Han scanning wrong.

Idk how likely the scum team would do this.

I think it's fair to assume that Han might scan sheep because if they know Han was town obviously Sheep claiming yet another investigation role would make him a target
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Neablis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I just thought about something, Godfather could be a red herring and Neab and Han could be scum because how else would they coordinate the fake gift given by Neab

Then you have to account for the gift sheep received and the gift death claimed to have received as well.

The thing I am coming along too is maybe you are a scum inventor that gives a gift to a player if they survive your kill. I'm
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Neablis posted...

I think we can discount han lying though as you saw two people going to sheep last night Han as cop and the kill.

I doubt he lies about that at all at that point.

I mean I have a few other arguments such as why didn't I send my gift elsewhere and not claim I visited that person and not fd meh.

But anyway han is the least likely I think, could sultan be lying though? Possible why would scjm waste an action triggering that but never cleaning him up?

If sultan is scum, his role is just a lie.

Also, neablis if you are town, and you honestly think the scum team is 4 people big. You know Han or sultan HAVE to be lying in addition to a ninja existing. Because I am assuming 5 in the actions for night 2. With 4. You have an extra action you cannot account for without lying.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Neablis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I just thought about something, Godfather could be a red herring and Neab and Han could be scum because how else would they coordinate the fake gift given by Neab

Then you have to account for the gift sheep received and the gift death claimed to have received as well.

The thing I am coming along too is maybe you are a scum inventor that gives a gift to a player if they survive your kill. I'm

Then why did sheep survive night 1? The only protection was on han that night?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I just thought about something, Godfather could be a red herring and Neab and Han could be scum because how else would they coordinate the fake gift given by Neab

You are saying Han knowing a godfather existed on his team, claimed cop with like 10 people unclaimed in the game when cop was likely to exist. I mean, Han is almost assuredly town in so many ways at this point that it is kind of silly to think otherwise.
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Neablis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Neablis posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I just thought about something, Godfather could be a red herring and Neab and Han could be scum because how else would they coordinate the fake gift given by Neab

Then you have to account for the gift sheep received and the gift death claimed to have received as well.

The thing I am coming along too is maybe you are a scum inventor that gives a gift to a player if they survive your kill. I'm

Then why did sheep survive night 1? The only protection was on han that night?

If neablis is scum, the only thing that really makes sense is that he can couple his gift with the nightkill. Where if they survive they get the gift and die otherwise. It would explain the night 3 situation on Han.

Now before someone says, why would this be done? It would almost assuredly only be in the game because of my role and the tracker somewhat lesser so.
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Corrik posted...

Neablis posted...

I think we can discount han lying though as you saw two people going to sheep last night Han as cop and the kill.

I doubt he lies about that at all at that point.

I mean I have a few other arguments such as why didn't I send my gift elsewhere and not claim I visited that person and not fd meh.

But anyway han is the least likely I think, could sultan be lying though? Possible why would scjm waste an action triggering that but never cleaning him up?

If sultan is scum, his role is just a lie.

Also, neablis if you are town, and you honestly think the scum team is 4 people big. You know Han or sultan HAVE to be lying in addition to a ninja existing. Because I am assuming 5 in the actions for night 2. With 4. You have an extra action you cannot account for without lying.

Honestly I assumed 12 v 4 just because it's what I always balanced games for or played in.

That's also why the realization sultans ability triggered yesterday had me second guessing things.

We still have to many actions really at this point unless scum have a useless cop role or something.

I have to fly will catch up on the am

Scum is always 25% to 33%.

5 is most likely. 4 only if the scum team was very strongly powered. They had a plain godfather and a backfireable gladiator role. It is pretty plain to see they are not 4 man strong enough and have to be 5.

But, like I said, if you are town and think there is 4. Then sultan or Han is 100% lying. Game doesn't work otherwise.
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it sounds like han is likely town because of this complex interaction he had with neablis, but just remember that sometimes scum can tell when town is doing a gambit, and they play into it and then everyone thinks they're town for it because that's the simplest (and most naive) explanation

i don't have a clue what happened, i'm just saying, be careful

what was sultan's read on puns?

VOTES

[2] Neablis - Corrik, Johnbobb
[1] Corrik - Sultan
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I unvoted
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Dels posted...

what was sultan's read on puns?

Puns... well I liked some of the stuff I saw from puns.. but then some stuff I didnt he was in my leaning scum list but lot in my scum or in my town list
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But what I liked about puns was proven wrong when sheep flipped town so idk
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i mean, that's really noncommital and vague stuff, which could mean you're scum who, like, didn't/doesn't have a real read on puns and is just giving a really... weak answer. you could also just be town without much of a read on puns.

i guess i found it weird that i replaced in and you were like "are you scum" and then i posted a bunch of other stuff and you didn't seem to care and then your next posts were about other stuff

*coughs*

[1] Neablis - (Corrik), Johnbobb
[1] Corrik - Sultan

Day ends tomorrow at 10 EST. 22 hours remain
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Okay so...
Delse still hasnt full claimed???

Aside from that
I am not liking Sultan going after Corrik. It reads like he wants to save one of John or Neab.

I believe John as scum before I can believe Neab as scum. For Neab to be scum, it would have to mean scum bet everything on getting to kill Han night3....

Also thinking about it again.
Dont we already have a ninja confirmed due to only 2 people visiting FD night3, and Kanz and Neab both being accounted for already...
Or do bodyguards change it so that a killer never 'visited' the guarded victim???

That said. While I could vote John at the end, actually having a doublevote is not gonna change much for the next day. (if we are lucky enough to even have one) And on a day like this I would rather not have my options limited. No offense, Neab.
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He claimed. He said if he dies he merges into a hydra with a player of his choice who could be scum or town.
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Basically either neab tried to kill Han night 3 and killed FD night 2 or there is a ninja.
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I suppose there is no point in me telling you my gift is clearly harmless...

But I can still ask... Why didnt Sheep die night1 then?
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htaeD posted...

I suppose there is no point in me telling you my gift is clearly harmless...

But I can still ask... Why didnt Sheep die night1 then?

If Neab is scum, he has the option to kill with his gift or not.

The theory then would be, they didn't use neab's gift to kill night 1. They wanted him to confirm his role to try and confirm as town first.

They tried to kill Han and were roleblocked. Further extraneous theory: they had a 1 shot ninja usage that they used night 1. Pretty irrelevant whether or not this exists anyways.

Night 2.

Neab kills FD with his gift. We know 2 went to FD. DYL and Neab claimed it. FD dies. DYL has flipped town. Either Neab killed FD with his gift or a ninja went here.

Night 3.
Neab tries to kill Han with his gift. 2 visited Han. Neab is one of them. Kanz is likely the other who died guarding Han. Kanz is flipped town and died this night. Han wasn't roleblocked like night 2 which points to him trying to be killed.

Either Neab tried to kill Han with his gift and it was saved leaving Han with only the gift or a Ninja tried to kill Han. Neab chooses a gift that if somehow the kill is saved will confirm him as town.

Night 4.

Theory A. Neab is suspected. Gives gift without death to player death to try and show his gift does not kill people and to try and confirm as town again.

2 people visited sheep. 1 is claimed by Han. Another is not claimed. However, the other which is likely the killer is not a ninja.

Thus, Scum used another player to kill sheep who wasn't a ninja.

Theory B.
Neab never went to death with a gift. Neab killed Sheep with his gift. Scummates Neab and Death are lying about their gift to try and confirm the gift doesn't give death.

Theory C
Neab is town. Gave gift to death. Scum killed sheep without their ninja because they knew they were killing the tracker and had no fear of being seen and was quite okay if they pinged me for information if it happened.

We can't say they knew it would ping me because they couldn't have known Han was going to scan sheep the same night also.

Or they had a 3 use ninja and the ninja is spent.

So, why would Neab have a role that could give a gift with death. What is even the point?

Well, theories for that too.

Theory 1
Neab has to put the kill in with the gift unless a modifier is used. Night 1 they used a modifier on the kill.

Ever since Neab has put the kill in with his gift.

Night 2. FD
Night 3 Han (saved by BG)
Night 4 Sheep (lied and said he went to death)

Theory 2.
Neab has to put the kill in with his gift but the night 1 kill was modified to be a day kill thus letting him not use it.

Scum kills Chris during the day in what was not an extra kill, but a modification to the kill to daytime. Han was never saved night 1 as we assume.

Theory 3
Neab CAN but does not have to put the kill in with his gift.

So why would he?

The whole purpose of this is to have less scum moving at night which helps against the tracker and also to fool with my role. As well as doesn't let Neab give gifts to his scummates.
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I didnt think about that, that you apparently saw the killer this time when you didnt before..
I dont know why scum wouldnt just keep ninja killing even if they were getting rid of a tracker though. Hmm..

but the night 1 kill was modified to be a day kill thus letting him not use it.

This I can believe either way.
5 scum + extra kill feels like it would be too much against a town of 11. Especially when our only active protection was a jack. (and Kanz couldnt act during the day I believe)
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Dels posted...

i mean, that's really noncommital and vague stuff, which could mean you're scum who, like, didn't/doesn't have a real read on puns and is just giving a really... weak answer. you could also just be town without much of a read on puns.

i guess i found it weird that i replaced in and you were like "are you scum" and then i posted a bunch of other stuff and you didn't seem to care and then your next posts were about other stuff

That's the typical joke question when someone joins in nothing more tbh
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If we take all the power claims at face value, who are the odd people out?
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Unvote:Corrik

Need to play more logically rather then my gut though I wanted to make a point and get my thought out on corrik. And in not 100% sold corrik is "confirmed town" like he says he is
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You forgot your octothorpes
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Puns/Delse may as well be a nilla at this rate.
Sultan hasnt proven his power at all..
Han could have faked his power up until now, but night actions speak greatly in his favor.
Corrik could have guessed each night. But unless he's a scumwatcher, I cant see him guessing so seemingly accurately each time.
Neab has proven his powers the most. Though his choice of targets has been poor.

Honestly I cant pick from the bottom3, each has something going for them.
The top 2 look the worst.
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##unvote:corrik
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htaeD posted...

Sultan hasnt proven his power at all..

How do I prove it though??? I cant copy and paste my PM or I'll get modified killed.....
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Auto correct on phones is awful.... *mod killed
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

htaeD posted...

Sultan hasnt proven his power at all..

How do I prove it though??? I cant copy and paste my PM or I'll get modified killed.....

I dont mean in that sense. I mean that we dont know if your power was actually ever real.
Thats not your fault if you are town. So dont take it as me calling you out personally in that case.
If you are scum though, night2 becomes less messy..
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also modified is a neat euphemism for modkilling. Heh
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1. HanOfTheNekos- cop claimed
2. TheSultanOfSlam- lucky town
3. Neablis- gift giver/inventor
4. Johnbob-director vt
5. Turbopuns2- deathvoter
6. IfGodCouldDie-mathematician vt
7. Htaed-cook vt
8. Corrik-ultimate game

So one of the vanilla could be vanilla scum why would town have 3 vanilla? a vanilla could not be vanilla at all but scum power ...

If we can trust the cop then we have a confirmed town in IGCD... and that leaves JohnBoB and death!

Also I dont buy or understand Puns/Dels role..
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Thinking the vanilla over further if Johnbob was also confirmed (still not 100% on that logic) that leaves Death.
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One of the nillas is probably scum. (John that is)
But thats some flawed reasoning to look at them, Sultan. Town can have plenty of vanilla. (2 have already flipped. And technically DYL was powerless too.)
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John is far from confirmed. Especially not to me since I dont trust you fully either.
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Like I said I'm not sure on the logic of Johnbob being "confirmed"
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htaeD posted...

. (2 have already flipped. And technically DYL was powerless too.)

Doesnt That add to the arguement
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Gtg to work can pick it back up during lunch
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

htaeD posted...

. (2 have already flipped. And technically DYL was powerless too.)

Doesnt That add to the arguement

It sounded like you were saying 3 nillas were too much already.
Its not unlikely to have more nillas than townpower in a game.
Yes scum like to hide in nillas, but dont suspect nillas for that kind of logic.
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Seriously nothing has happened in 2 hours?
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Was looking to talk to people during lunch but... I guess not
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I think we're all just tired out and scum is taking advantage of that. Also busy days, though I can hopefully focus more on this after dinner.
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