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LordoftheMorons posted...

Another comment that would have been a huge scandal from any other president:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1064176731681116160

That entire thread is full of shit that would have gotten Obama impeached had he said any of it.
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Obama wasn't getting impeached without there being 67 Republican senators. GOP wasn't going to repeat its mistake with Clinton.
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One totally crazy thing I learned the other day: after the 1936 election, there were 74 Democratic Senators.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

One totally crazy thing I learned the other day: after the 1936 election, there were 74 Democratic Senators.

It helps to promise free stuff to a nation of impoverished citizens

EDIT: although if you want insane historical figures, look at the Reconstruction Congress. Republicans had something like 85% of seats for a few years.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Another comment that would have been a huge scandal from any other president:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1064176731681116160

What the shit
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Jakyl25 posted...

OMG. Bumping the topic to keep it from purging

Are politics done?!

i have reached the next level

i had a dream yesterday where i was arguing in this topic that ohio had gone red and shouldn't be considered a real swing state going forward

so why bother posting here in reality
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xp1337 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

OMG. Bumping the topic to keep it from purging

Are politics done?!

i have reached the next level

i had a dream yesterday where i was arguing in this topic that ohio had gone red and shouldn't be considered a real swing state going forward

so why bother posting here in reality

I actually 100% agree with your dream self! Democrats should abandon Ohio in the near future.

Total number of counties swung this election: 0. The state is badly gerrymandered, sure, but democrats didn't win the popular vote in the state either.

Governorship went to Republicans, fairly easily. Neither candidate was exceptional, and this was essentially generic R vs generic D. In a year when democrats won governorships in Wisconsin, Nevada, Michigan, and KANSAS, they lost Ohio by 4 points. They were closer in Florida, Georgia, Iowa, and South Dakota. Dems flipped the senate seat in Arizona (and now have 5 in the house compared to 4 for republicans). Out of all the results for democrats this election, the three that stand out the worst and the two in Florida and the Ohio governorship.

I actually thought early on in the night it was going to be terrible for democrats. But they did great almost everywhere, in local and statewide elections. Better than they should've, basically everywhere. Out of every governor race, the two that did the worst were Hubbel (from IA who was going against a fairly popular incumbent) and Cordray (who was going for an open seat).

https://twitter.com/perrybaconjr/status/1063076005445799936

They won the senate race easily, but Brown is a moderate, popular incumbent. Unless democrats plan on running him and only him, I would abandon Ohio in 2020 to focus on...like 8 other states first.

Top tier targets: MI, WI, PA
Next tier: AZ, IA, FL, NC
Hail Mary territory: GA, NE second
Crazy town dream land: OH, TX (Trump won Ohio by 8.13. He won Texas by 8.99. You could actually make an argument TX is a better target than OH this election. But both of these are wastes of time!)

So, yeah. I've been thinking about this a lot since election night. I think Ohio is going the way of Missouri. It isn't quite there yet, but it is slipping and I don't see much hope of it being a true swing state. At this point, if a dem wins Ohio it is a landslide.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

You could actually make an argument TX is a better target than OH this election.

I would absolutely make this argument!
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Not politics at all, but it's the one thing from the CA fires that's made me happy so I'll post it anyway:

https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1064186032327966722
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It needs to be stated that Trumpism is basically tailor made to appeal to Ohio so yeah it may not be the best place to target vs Trump but I think vs a neocon that Ohio is certainly still in play.

Based on states where the democrats won the house popular vote, the Democrats have a narrow victory path to pursue that invokves basically just taking back Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania.

So running a candidate who can win in those 3 states is probably the best idea. There's a reason why Biden is seen as a logical front runner and Sherrod Brown and his ability to maybe flip Ohio has some peopke excited but I think I may have spotted a dark horse in this lane: John Delaney.

He wasn't really on my radar but George Will basically came out and endorsed the guy (what a fucking world; George Will endorsing a Democrat for President) and frankly he made a good case for the guy.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/11/18/democrat-john-delaney-presidential-nomination/
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-backed-prison-reform-bill-to-overhaul-controversial-three-strikes-rule
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Rural Ohio swung big for Trump, but there are plenty of suburban Republicans who hate him (but of course voted him for taxes).

Ohio is gerrymandered to shit, but winnable if dems can take a chunk out of rural/suburban right-leaners.

On that note, rural Ohioans might not figure out that Trump hasn't done anything for them for a decade or so, so they're probably not the correct Avenue to pursue.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Rural Ohio swung big for Trump, but there are plenty of suburban Republicans who hate him (but of course voted him for taxes).

Ohio is gerrymandered to shit, but winnable if dems can take a chunk out of rural/suburban right-leaners.

On that note, rural Ohioans might not figure out that Trump hasn't done anything for them for a decade or so, so they're probably not the correct Avenue to pursue.

Well I think it's notable that blue collar liberal Sherrod Brown won with ease and Liberal Financial Sector Executive Cordray lost.

I think the group up for grabs therefore is suburban blue collar types in the burbs
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1064216956679716864?s=21

So funny to see little Adam Schitt (D-CA) talking about the fact that Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate, but not mentioning the fact that Bob Mueller (who is highly conflicted) was not approved by the Senate!

So the nicknames are just getting flat out vulgar now
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Jakyl25 posted...

OMG. Bumping the topic to keep it from purging

Are politics done?!

Sorry, I'm trying to cut back on social media (and therefore gfax, and this is the main topic series that I followed).

Also I used to bus to my old job, which made for prime gfax time. Driving and gfaxing is a lot less appealing.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1064216956679716864?s=21

So funny to see little Adam Schitt (D-CA) talking about the fact that Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate, but not mentioning the fact that Bob Mueller (who is highly conflicted) was not approved by the Senate!

So the nicknames are just getting flat out vulgar now

He just doesn't understand that there are different rules depending on the gov't position.

A Cabinet Level Position like Attorney General does not follow the same rules as Special Counsel because Special Counsel isn't Cabinet level and Cabinet level positions have the Constitution regulating them.

Special Council is a lower ranked position created with the department of justice at the pleasure of the higher ups within Department of Justice. Attorney General is regulated by the Appointments Clause of the United States Constitution.

What is with this flagrant attacks on the Constitution by a Republican President? I mean conservatives were for decades acting like they were the masters when it comes to the document & now they are backing the dude who makes Andrew Jackson's unconstitutional acts look like tea time.
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He loves Article XII
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Umitencho posted...

I mean conservatives were for decades acting like they were the masters when it comes to the document & now they are backing the dude who makes Andrew Jackson's unconstitutional acts look like tea time.

Key word here is "acting"
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So the GOP just came to Trumps aid in this whole spat with Adm. McRaven which seems odd - especially since the guy is a hero.

"This navy seal admiral who masterminded the bin laden doesn't like the GOP" doesnt SEEM like something that reflects well on the GOP.

Not that anything matters anymore.
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Umitencho posted...

the dude who makes Andrew Jackson's unconstitutional acts look like tea time.

This is such absurd hyperbole. Jackson literally used the military to ignore a Supreme Court ruling.
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Eddv posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Rural Ohio swung big for Trump, but there are plenty of suburban Republicans who hate him (but of course voted him for taxes).

Ohio is gerrymandered to shit, but winnable if dems can take a chunk out of rural/suburban right-leaners.

On that note, rural Ohioans might not figure out that Trump hasn't done anything for them for a decade or so, so they're probably not the correct Avenue to pursue.

Well I think it's notable that blue collar liberal Sherrod Brown won with ease and Liberal Financial Sector Executive Cordray lost.

I think the group up for grabs therefore is suburban blue collar types in the burbs

Ohio is so far gone compared to eight or so other flippable states that it isn't worth spending much time on imho. Sherrod Brown was an incumbent and fits for Ohio very well, so if he is the nominee, sure, go for it. But Cordray lost fairly easily for an open seat and underperformed basically every other governor race.

It isn't worth the money when there are other states that are much better options to flip. Going for Ohio in 2020 will be like Clinton going for Georgia in 2016. Best you're going to get is "close-ish" and you're going to lose other states you should've been focusing on more. If Dems win Ohio, it is a landslide anyway so it doesn't matter. It isn't close to a tipping point state.
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It feels like Nevada is fairly solid blue at this point, so do either party's presidential candidates need to travel west of Colorado?
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

It feels like Nevada is fairly solid blue at this point, so do either party's presidential candidates need to travel west of Colorado?

Arizona
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

It feels like Nevada is fairly solid blue at this point, so do either party's presidential candidates need to travel west of Colorado?

Oregon shouldn't be taken for granted and Montana and Idaho were actually closeish

Plus Arizona's now a real swing state it seems.
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Eddv posted...

Montana and Idaho were actually closeish

Hillary Clinton won 35% and 27% of the votes, respectively, so no.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

It feels like Nevada is fairly solid blue at this point, so do either party's presidential candidates need to travel west of Colorado?

I think it would be dangerous for the Democrats to totally ignore Nevada; it hasn't flipped to them to the extent of VA or even CO. That said, I agree that it's probably likely blue without either party doing any work.
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1064569070966722562?s=21

Why does Trump feel the need to lie and exaggerate BABE RUTHS story, of all people.

The truth is impressive enough you nonce
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1064570145643945985

The guy people said would at least be better on economics than Hillary Clinton

lmao
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Kenri posted...

The guy people said would at least be better on economics than Hillary Clinton

*points to the five trillion bankruptcies Trump has had*
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Trump is just as dumb on economics as everything else (probably dumber, actually). His business skill is basically just bullying and refusing to pay people for stuff.
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Ashethan posted...

*points to the five trillion bankruptcies Trump has had*

"bankruptcy is just part of doing business when you're as successful as trump" --a bunch of fucking idiots for the last 3 years
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I mean, it kind of is, but its not a trick that translates to managing the entire economy. Its a trick that only works WITHIN said economy
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump is just as dumb on economics as everything else (probably dumber, actually). His business skill is basically just bullying and refusing to pay people for stuff.

This is true though

He started with leverage due to money and privilege due to his family, so even if his bluffs got called he was safe. So he played hyper-aggressively, not skillfully
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You should be thrown in jail if you try to declare bankruptcy twice because clearly you weren't bankrupt in the first place, fraud.

Jakyl25 posted...

I mean, it kind of is, but its not a trick that translates to managing the entire economy.

Ew, do you really think the President's role is to "manage the economy"? The Left Exposed!!
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Hes trying to manage international trade despite for some reason not understanding the difference between a trade deficit and debt...!
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Anyway, I dont see how his challenge to Pelosi can possibly end up working. Who else could possibly get 218 votes? It doesnt help her opposition that some of them are coming from the center and some of them are coming from the left.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Anyway, I dont see how his challenge to Pelosi can possibly end up working. Who else could possibly get 218 votes? It doesnt help her opposition that some of them are coming from the center and some of them are coming from the left.

The only other people who could get 218 votes either don't want the job, support Pelosi, or both. Like it or not she will be the next speaker.
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Not only that but the only challengers for Whip and Majority Leader have ALSO dropped out.

So no change in leadership at all.(which is a mistake all 3 of them are pushing 80 they should be grooming SOMEONE)
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What exactly does the whip do, Eddv?
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Top tier targets: MI, WI, PA
Next tier: AZ, IA, FL, NC
Hail Mary territory: GA, NE second
Crazy town dream land: OH, TX (Trump won Ohio by 8.13. He won Texas by 8.99. You could actually make an argument TX is a better target than OH this election. But both of these are wastes of time!)

Think I agree with this tier list. Although I might move OH up to the hail mary tier and consider moving FL down to hail mary. TX is certainly one of the states (along with the "Sun Belt" like AZ, CO, etc.) where demographic trends are going to move in favor of Democrats (by contrast the Rust Belt is going the opposite way) but I think we're still a couple cycles too early for it to be in play. And probably a cycle too early to say it's a better chance than Ohio.

MI/WI/PA all snapped back hard in the midterms. AZ/NC/IA are all very much in play. It's after that where I start feeling more bad than good, I think.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Anyway, I dont see how his challenge to Pelosi can possibly end up working. Who else could possibly get 218 votes? It doesnt help her opposition that some of them are coming from the center and some of them are coming from the left.

All of Pelosi's current challengers for Speaker are from her right. Not to say there aren't issue with her from the left, but in terms of actual Speaker challenges that's not reflected, it's solely in the base.

AOC (who has been on point lately) even noted that Pelosi is the most liberal candidate for Speaker in her endorsement of her.
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Espeon posted...

What exactly does the whip do, Eddv?

The whip is in charge of making sure people vote the way the party needs them to vote
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Yeah I do agree that someone younger than 60 should be in the leadership being trained as a successor. Replacing Pelosi for Speaker right now would be super dumb, though.
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Espeon posted...

What exactly does the whip do, Eddv?

In theory, they're the person who is going around counting votes and making sure no one is gonna break ranks on an upcoming vote/ managing the pork barrel so to speak.

In practice they're basically the party's #2
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Wouldnt Pelosi be better suited as whip then? Or was it the previous whip who kept the party in line for the ACA?
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Theres a reason I said in theory.

In practice the Speaker/Majority leader end up leading that effort though the whip obviously still helps with that process. The Speaker is intended to be the president of the house so to speak but hasnt really functioned that way since the days of Henry Clay.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Umitencho posted...

the dude who makes Andrew Jackson's unconstitutional acts look like tea time.

This is such absurd hyperbole. Jackson literally used the military to ignore a Supreme Court ruling.

Mr $20 bill, Heard he was into a few "unsavoury" things but Show a president that WASN't?

(I imagine Lincoln himself would be chucking his laptop in the sea if particular things are to be believed about him)
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WH is now making it a violation punishable by revocation of a journalist's hard pass to ask unapproved follow-up questions or to real-time fact check:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1064621067094892546
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xp1337 posted...

WH is now making it a violation punishable by revocation of a journalist's hard pass to ask unapproved follow-up questions or to real-time fact check:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1064621067094892546

I don't think there's any way for the administration to make it more clear they don't actually want a free press to exist.
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