Current Events > We need to outlaw solitary confinement again.

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We did it for awhile, it needs to be done away with. It has no legitimate uses and is incredibly dangerous.

How do you punish those who are already in prison without taking everything from them and putting them in a small room until they go crazy?
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or go further, put them in a straitjacket and strap them down on a bed

It serves its purpose but there should be a limit on how long it can be consecutively used
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I think private prison owners should spend the rest of their lives in solitary confinement, but that's it.
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SH_expert44 posted...

How do you punish those who are already in prison without taking everything from them and putting them in a small room until they go crazy?

In cell confinement is a thing, and effective. They aren't just locked alone, and they do get access to some things, but it's much more restrictive.

perhaps as a form of punishment, but for safety measures?

*popeye laugh*

yeah, lets just put the most violent of society in general population ehen they are primed up and ready to go lol
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frogman_295 posted...

perhaps as a form of punishment, but for safety measures?

*popeye laugh*

yeah, lets just put the most violent of society in general population ehen they are primed up and ready to go lol

Or you could put people with the same risk levels together so you can assign appropriate restrictions and give their guards specific training and equipment to face the task while keeping general pop far safer.

You know, like jails and prisons tend to do.

Bumpo

Nah.
Chances are, if someone got put into solitary confinement they are to be considered extremely dangerous compared to any other prisoners.
They most likely got put there either because they attempted to murder someone, or they were in a old fashion prison fight with a guard.
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It's fine in concept. The problem is that its supposed to be used for like half a day to let someone cool off. Not like months as a punishment cell.
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i think solitary should be a thing, just not for extended periods of time
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Solitary confinement is cruel and unusual punishment.
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What do you propose happens to inmates who are a threat to themselves and more importantly a threat to others? Some of those dudes give absolutely no fucks and will attempt to murder others for looking at them wrong.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

I think private prison owners should spend the rest of their lives in solitary confinement, but that's it.

So rapist and murderers should be held in higher regard than people who own a necessary institution that houses people voters choose to put in there?

andel posted...

i think solitary should be a thing, just not for extended periods of time

I think used as a safety measure and not a punishment makes sense. You should need to show that the inmate is demonstrating grossly violent behavior.

Darkrobotisback posted...

Nah.
Chances are, if someone got put into solitary confinement they are to be considered extremely dangerous compared to any other prisoners.
They most likely got put there either because they attempted to murder someone, or they were in a old fashion prison fight with a guard.

First, most people going in solitary aren't dangerous offenders, they're people the officers simply don't want to deal with. The mentally ill and LGBT get locked up too often.

Second, in cell confinement is usually used for particularly violent offenders, and is far less psychologically damaging. There's also many jails and prisons that have isolated but not solitary confinement where they're constantly under supervision and aren't left with so little to pass the time.

voldothegr8 posted...

What do you propose happens to inmates who are a threat to themselves and more importantly a threat to others? Some of those dudes give absolutely no fucks and will attempt to murder others for looking at them wrong.

There are numerous options. Cell confinement is the most common and effective, with limited access to facilities like libraries and still can talk to, but not harm, other inmates.

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

I think private prison owners should spend the rest of their lives in solitary confinement, but that's it.

So rapist and murderers should be held in higher regard than people who own a necessary institution that houses people voters choose to put in there?

prisons aren't necessary institutions. private prisons even less so.
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averagejoel posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

I think private prison owners should spend the rest of their lives in solitary confinement, but that's it.

So rapist and murderers should be held in higher regard than people who own a necessary institution that houses people voters choose to put in there?

prisons aren't necessary institutions. private prisons even less so.

Prisons are necessary institutions. Just not in the form we have them.

i'll take a compromise.... lessen solitary confinement time. institute more nutraloaf for naughty prisoners.
they have to learn something from this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutraloaf
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Make therapy and rehab the focus of prisons? Nah that costs money

kingdrake2 posted...

i'll take a compromise.... lessen solitary confinement time. institute more nutraloaf for naughty prisoners.
they have to learn something from this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutraloaf

Or we can do neither and be better off for it.

averagejoel posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

I think private prison owners should spend the rest of their lives in solitary confinement, but that's it.

So rapist and murderers should be held in higher regard than people who own a necessary institution that houses people voters choose to put in there?

prisons aren't necessary institutions. private prisons even less so.

Im genuinely curious what you think a better alternative is.
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OctilIery posted...

averagejoel posted...

MARKINGRAM22 posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

I think private prison owners should spend the rest of their lives in solitary confinement, but that's it.

So rapist and murderers should be held in higher regard than people who own a necessary institution that houses people voters choose to put in there?

prisons aren't necessary institutions. private prisons even less so.

Prisons are necessary institutions. Just not in the form we have them.

in order to be beneficial to society, prisons would have to be so different from our current conception of them that I don't think it would even make sense to refer to them with the same word
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OctilIery posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

What do you propose happens to inmates who are a threat to themselves and more importantly a threat to others? Some of those dudes give absolutely no fucks and will attempt to murder others for looking at them wrong.

There are numerous options. Cell confinement is the most common and effective, with limited access to facilities like libraries and still can talk to, but not harm, other inmates.

Cell confinement isn't a whole lot different than solitary.
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OctilIery posted...

frogman_295 posted...

perhaps as a form of punishment, but for safety measures?

*popeye laugh*

yeah, lets just put the most violent of society in general population ehen they are primed up and ready to go lol

Or you could put people with the same risk levels together so you can assign appropriate restrictions and give their guards specific training and equipment to face the task while keeping general pop far safer.

You know, like jails and prisons tend to do.

Aka solitary confinement

WhereIsTheLove posted...

OctilIery posted...

frogman_295 posted...

perhaps as a form of punishment, but for safety measures?

*popeye laugh*

yeah, lets just put the most violent of society in general population ehen they are primed up and ready to go lol

Or you could put people with the same risk levels together so you can assign appropriate restrictions and give their guards specific training and equipment to face the task while keeping general pop far safer.

You know, like jails and prisons tend to do.

Aka solitary confinement

Nope. High risk areas are still nothing like solitary, as they still have constant human contact and mental engagement.

Instead of getting rid of it, how about we just remind people that if you don't commit crime you won't end up there?
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DarkTransient posted...

Instead of getting rid of it, how about we just remind people that if you don't commit crime you won't end up there?

How about we don't do torture as a response to crime, especially when many of the crimes are harmless?

OctilIery posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Instead of getting rid of it, how about we just remind people that if you don't commit crime you won't end up there?

How about we don't do torture as a response to crime, especially when many of the crimes are harmless?

Those harmless crimes should be made non-crimes. Anything else, don't commit them and you have nothing to worry about; if you do, I have zero sympathy regardless of what happens.
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DarkTransient posted...

OctilIery posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Instead of getting rid of it, how about we just remind people that if you don't commit crime you won't end up there?

How about we don't do torture as a response to crime, especially when many of the crimes are harmless?

Those harmless crimes should be made non-crimes. Anything else, don't commit them and you have nothing to worry about; if you do, I have zero sympathy regardless of what happens.

Then your credibility goes out the window and you don't get an opinion.

I don't care about this at all
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Also, don't forget solitary effects innocent people too. Both falsely imprisoned people, and people awaiting trial.

OctilIery posted...

DarkTransient posted...

OctilIery posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Instead of getting rid of it, how about we just remind people that if you don't commit crime you won't end up there?

How about we don't do torture as a response to crime, especially when many of the crimes are harmless?

Those harmless crimes should be made non-crimes. Anything else, don't commit them and you have nothing to worry about; if you do, I have zero sympathy regardless of what happens.

Then your credibility goes out the window and you don't get an opinion.

"You don't get an opinion if you don't agree with me!"
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DarkTransient posted...

OctilIery posted...

DarkTransient posted...

OctilIery posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Instead of getting rid of it, how about we just remind people that if you don't commit crime you won't end up there?

How about we don't do torture as a response to crime, especially when many of the crimes are harmless?

Those harmless crimes should be made non-crimes. Anything else, don't commit them and you have nothing to worry about; if you do, I have zero sympathy regardless of what happens.

Then your credibility goes out the window and you don't get an opinion.

"You don't get an opinion if you don't agree with me!"

"you don't get an opinion if you're literally supporting torture for every crime"

DT wants to murder women who abort rape babies. Ignore hkm.

Yeah, solitary is definitely cruel and unusual punishment. As is slavery, which is still allowed as punishment.

Turns out the US prison system has no desires to rehabilitate anyone and no one cares if prisoners are tortured because were a nation of psychopaths.
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I think everyone should be required to spend one week in jail before getting any kind of diploma or degree
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King_Hellebuyck posted...

Yeah, solitary is definitely cruel and unusual punishment. As is slavery, which is still allowed as punishment.

Turns out the US prison system has no desires to rehabilitate anyone and no one cares if prisoners are tortured because were a nation of psychopaths.

The private system doesn't, public still does.

solosnake posted...

I think everyone should be required to spend one week in jail before getting any kind of diploma or degree

they have something called the "scared straight" program that puts at risk teens into jail for a day to show them the way of life if they continue doing the evils.
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