Current Events > Oregon Black Man who PUNCHED and KILLED a RACIST White Man is NOT CHARGED!!

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mrduckbear
11/21/18 12:52:26 AM
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Was this the right verdict? - Results (3 votes)
Yes
66.67% (2 votes)
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No
33.33% (1 vote)
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Oregon Prosecutors will NOT prosecute a Black Fedex Driver who TKO'd a Racist White Man who shouted the N-Word at him in Portland back in September!!

They said there was no indication that Timothy Warren intended to kill Joseph Magnuson during a September 26th brawl near Northeast Hoyt Street and Northeast 29th Avenue.

Magnuson, who witnesses said INITIATED the confrontation by hurling the N-word at him as well as other aggressive and abusive phrases as he egged him to fight him and even made hand gestures while hurling racist words to get him to engage.

The medical examiner said Joseph was in "extremely poor health" which is why he died after taking a fatal punch.

Witnesses said Warren was driving his truck slowly into the neighborhood to drop off packages when Magnuson sees him and yelled "very aggressively" at him for him to slow down.

Warren then stopped and tried to speak to him but James kept escalating hostilities and said "Come and hit me" while yelling the n-word over and over again.

Both men then started a screaming match and suddenly Joseph THROWS a DRINK and BAG OF FOOD at him. Timothy then punches the second bag of food out of his hand and Joseph throws a punch at him but it doesn't connect, at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.

He remained at the scene while speaking to police as he cooperated with police.

D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

He also noted that toxicology results are not significant to the legal anaylsis either.

Was the right verdict?

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gmanthebest
11/21/18 12:54:56 AM
#2:


White guy threw the first object, fair, next.
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QwelzaarKane
11/21/18 1:07:15 AM
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mrduckbear posted...
Both men then started a screaming match and suddenly Joseph THROWS a DRINK and BAG OF FOOD at him. Timothy then punches the second bag of food out of his hand and Joseph throws a punch at him but it doesn't connect, at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


Fair, next.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/21/18 6:26:04 AM
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QwelzaarKane posted...
mrduckbear posted...
Both men then started a screaming match and suddenly Joseph THROWS a DRINK and BAG OF FOOD at him. Timothy then punches the second bag of food out of his hand and Joseph throws a punch at him but it doesn't connect, at which point Timothy then fatally punches him with one blow.


Fair, next.

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Ozai_Was_Right
11/21/18 6:27:44 AM
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Probably shouldn't be picking fights with people when you're practically made of glass.
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SaithSayer
11/21/18 6:28:18 AM
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If it was just words, that'd be one thing.

This guy threw a punch. Fuck him.
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Guide
11/21/18 6:30:16 AM
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Racist made the first physical move. Signed his own sentence.
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SaithSayer
11/21/18 6:36:58 AM
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Black guy has my sympathy. It has to suck to figure you're just going to knock someone either unconscious or on their ass and then it turns out they die.

Hopefully it isn't fucking with him too hard.
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Full Throttle
11/21/18 7:27:15 PM
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looks like a tie
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spudger
11/21/18 7:29:05 PM
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one punch
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RoboLaserGandhi
11/21/18 7:30:37 PM
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mrduckbear posted...
D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

What in the absolute fuck is this
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Cornmuffins
11/21/18 7:32:15 PM
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I hope he didn't get put on suspension from his job or anything while the investigation was happening, too lazy to look it up myself. Why is Oregon a hotbed for west coast white supremacy?
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Guide
11/21/18 7:34:19 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
mrduckbear posted...
D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

What in the absolute fuck is this


tldr "black guy did nothing wrong according to law, it was the racist's fault."
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GaryGaryGary
11/21/18 7:38:05 PM
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Why doesn't anyone ever post a link to the story with these daily mail ones?

I click the link and I've got a picture of a bloody FedEx truck.

Pure incompetence from the the thread creator.
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Cornmuffins
11/21/18 7:41:36 PM
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GaryGaryGary posted...
Why doesn't anyone ever post a link to the story with these daily mail ones?


By anyone I think you mean duckbear, afaik he's the only one that does this irt dailymail.
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EdgeMaster
11/21/18 7:41:41 PM
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Court is racist against whites.

Jk. But seriously more often it would result in a man slaughter charge with a few years in prison. Glad the guy got off though, no one intends to kill someone by punching them.

Other guy escalated the situation by throwing a drink at him. Had he minded his own business in the first place and worried about himself instead of giving a damn how fast the guy was driving, he would be alive today.
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KingRocc
11/21/18 7:43:42 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
mrduckbear posted...
D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

What in the absolute fuck is this

Inbred started shit, killer doesn't have to take inbred's shit, inbred gets physical, inbred gets himself killed
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Cornmuffins
11/21/18 7:44:54 PM
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Uhh..where is it indicated that he was "speeding"?
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Kineth
11/21/18 7:45:39 PM
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Talk shit, get hit

Seriously though, the guy's hate caused him to see those hands and he got what he was asking for since he wanted him to hit him.

And the other guy started the fight first.

Also nice of the court explicitly spell out why being antagonizing with your words is not protected. People on this board will still find a way to blame the black guy though.
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RoboLaserGandhi
11/21/18 7:46:15 PM
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KingRocc posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
mrduckbear posted...
D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

What in the absolute fuck is this

Inbred started shit, killer doesn't have to take inbred's shit, inbred gets physical, inbred gets himself killed

Legally that's completely backwards.

There is no "your honor, he was talking shit! I had to punch the clearly psychotic frail man!"
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nemu
11/21/18 7:46:20 PM
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If it was just the guy yelling at him and he initiated first contact, this would be stupid, but the deceased turned it into a physical altercation and there was no excess force used. Words should never be met with force, but force should certainly be met with reasonable force.
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Kineth
11/21/18 7:46:40 PM
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Cornmuffins posted...
Uhh..where is it indicated that he was "speeding"?


The instigator started out by yelling at the Fedex driver to slow down. Whether or not he was speeding isn't really known. The guy just felt he was going too fast.
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glitteringfairy
11/21/18 7:47:17 PM
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Talk shit get killed
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Kineth
11/21/18 7:48:13 PM
#24:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
KingRocc posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
mrduckbear posted...
D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

What in the absolute fuck is this

Inbred started shit, killer doesn't have to take inbred's shit, inbred gets physical, inbred gets himself killed

Legally that's completely backwards.

There is no "your honor, he was talking shit! I had to punch the clearly psychotic frail man!"


Just because you think things don't exist and don't want to acknowledge the order of events that happened doesn't mean that such things don't exist.
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Cornmuffins
11/21/18 7:49:59 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Talk shit get killed


Knowing your posting habits it's hard to tell where you're coming from. Yes, though, talk shit and shout hate speech and assault a dude while doing his job you should absolutely expect to get decked.
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Sativa_Rose
11/21/18 7:50:18 PM
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Fair, next. I am a strong supporter of the right to self-defense.
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RoboLaserGandhi
11/21/18 7:50:30 PM
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Kineth posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
KingRocc posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
mrduckbear posted...
D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

What in the absolute fuck is this

Inbred started shit, killer doesn't have to take inbred's shit, inbred gets physical, inbred gets himself killed

Legally that's completely backwards.

There is no "your honor, he was talking shit! I had to punch the clearly psychotic frail man!"


Just because you think things don't exist and don't want to acknowledge the order of events that happened doesn't mean that such things don't exist.

What are you talking about? You are not legally protected just because someone started talking shit and threw a bag of food at you. At the VERY least he would be having manslaughter charges in any other situation.

But no, you all are going to soak up this super fucking generic "yeah, punching racists!" sheepism.
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RoboLaserGandhi
11/21/18 7:51:15 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Fair, next. I am a strong supporter of the right to self-defense.

Defending yourself from crazy old hobos armed with cheeseburgers and words?
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Kastrada
11/21/18 7:52:05 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
There is no "your honor, he was talking shit! I had to punch the clearly psychotic frail man!"


Except the deceased physically assaulted him first. The black guy just hit the bag of food out of the deceased hands. The deceased then threw the first punch even though it didn't conect.

Why are you glossing over that part?
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Cornmuffins
11/21/18 7:52:17 PM
#30:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
You are not legally protected just because someone started talking shit and threw a bag of food at you.


It's assault. You are. Don't like it? idk maybe Canada might be for you
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ultimate reaver
11/21/18 7:53:00 PM
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don't start fights at 1hp
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glitteringfairy
11/21/18 7:53:59 PM
#32:


Cornmuffins posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
Talk shit get killed


Knowing your posting habits it's hard to tell where you're coming from. Yes, though, talk shit and shout hate speech and assault a dude while doing his job you should absolutely expect to get decked.

No I'm fully on board. Say things somebody doesn't like then expect some physical violence. And this guy tried to punch him first. Fair next execution
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StucklnMyPants
11/21/18 7:54:30 PM
#33:


Kineth posted...
Also nice of the court explicitly spell out why being antagonizing with your words is not protected.

That's not the right takeaway. You can't hit someone over words. If the guy that died had not swung at him first, the driver would have been charged. The only reason the guy didn't get charged is because he acted in self defense and didn't continue attacking after the first hit. Yelling racial slurs has nothing to do with the decision to prosecute.
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RoboLaserGandhi
11/21/18 7:56:50 PM
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Kastrada posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
There is no "your honor, he was talking shit! I had to punch the clearly psychotic frail man!"


Except the deceased physically assaulted him first. The black guy just hit the bag of food out of the deceased hands. The deceased then threw the first punch even though it didn't conect.

Why are you glossing over that part?

He threw a bag, driver punches the other bag out of his hands, he tries to punch miserably, then he gets killed.

Driver had no reason to stop and even fucking acknowledge the guy in the first place. But he wants to start fights with frail looking psychotic dudes because our society says it's okay to get violent over racism and he wanted to let out that aggression on an easy target.
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glitteringfairy
11/21/18 7:56:59 PM
#35:


StucklnMyPants posted...
Kineth posted...
Also nice of the court explicitly spell out why being antagonizing with your words is not protected.

That's not the right takeaway. You can't hit someone over words. If the guy that died had not swung at him first, the driver would have been charged. The only reason the guy didn't get charged is because he acted in self defense and didn't continue attacking after the first hit. Yelling racial slurs has nothing to do with the decision to prosecute.

Lol get a load of this guy Kineth
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Kineth
11/21/18 7:57:54 PM
#36:


StucklnMyPants posted...
Kineth posted...
Also nice of the court explicitly spell out why being antagonizing with your words is not protected.

That's not the right takeaway. You can't hit someone over words. If the guy that died had not swung at him first, the driver would have been charged. The only reason the guy didn't get charged is because he acted in self defense and didn't continue attacking after the first hit. Yelling racial slurs has nothing to do with the decision to prosecute.


I will agree that I was being overly simplistic about my analysis. The point is that people on this board have even argued that people shouldn't even get mad and verbally respond to people like this. My post wasn't a takeaway from the ruling
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Kineth
11/21/18 7:59:03 PM
#37:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Kineth posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
KingRocc posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
mrduckbear posted...
D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

What in the absolute fuck is this

Inbred started shit, killer doesn't have to take inbred's shit, inbred gets physical, inbred gets himself killed

Legally that's completely backwards.

There is no "your honor, he was talking shit! I had to punch the clearly psychotic frail man!"


Just because you think things don't exist and don't want to acknowledge the order of events that happened doesn't mean that such things don't exist.

What are you talking about? You are not legally protected just because someone started talking shit and threw a bag of food at you.


Learn the law. He threw a drink at him too. Those count as physical assault. Just because you don't know stuff doesn't mean that the universe is as small as the mind inside your head.
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scorpion41
11/21/18 7:59:29 PM
#38:


The driver had no reason to confront the idiot in the first place. In essence, the driver escalated the confrontation. He should have been charged.
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glitteringfairy
11/21/18 8:00:14 PM
#39:


scorpion41 posted...
The driver had no reason to confront the idiot in the first place. In essence, the driver escalated the confrontation. He should have been charged.

Sorry that's not how it works. Say mean things and get hit
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Kastrada
11/21/18 8:01:04 PM
#40:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
He threw a bag, driver punches the other bag out of his hands, he tries to punch miserably, then he gets killed.

Driver had no reason to stop and even fucking acknowledge the guy in the first place. But he wants to start fights with frail looking psychotic dudes because our society says it's okay to get violent over racism and he wanted to let out that aggression on an easy target.


White guys throws bag and can at driver.
Black guy punches a bag of food.
White guy throws a punch at the black guy but fails.
Black guy throws a punch in response and connects.

Where in that summary does the black man START the fight? By stopping? By listening? Where at is he the instigator/aggressor in this story?
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Kineth
11/21/18 8:01:07 PM
#41:


scorpion41 posted...
The driver had no reason to confront the idiot in the first place. In essence, the driver escalated the confrontation. He should have been charged.


Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Actually, I lied. I'm not sorry.
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A_Good_Boy
11/21/18 8:01:32 PM
#42:


Now CEs gaggle of racist bird lawyers are here to tell us how this judge incorrectly tried the case.
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RoboLaserGandhi
11/21/18 8:02:37 PM
#43:


Kineth posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Kineth posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
KingRocc posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
mrduckbear posted...
D.A Adam Gibbs said though Joseph would sitll be alive if he ignored him, "the decision by Mr. Warren, who is black, to not let the racist vitriol to which he was being subjected to go unanswered is not of legal significance. Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him. Mr. Magnuson was the initial verbal aggressor and then escalated and became the initial physical aggressor"

What in the absolute fuck is this

Inbred started shit, killer doesn't have to take inbred's shit, inbred gets physical, inbred gets himself killed

Legally that's completely backwards.

There is no "your honor, he was talking shit! I had to punch the clearly psychotic frail man!"


Just because you think things don't exist and don't want to acknowledge the order of events that happened doesn't mean that such things don't exist.

What are you talking about? You are not legally protected just because someone started talking shit and threw a bag of food at you.


Learn the law. He threw a drink at him too. Those count as physical assault. Just because you don't know stuff doesn't mean that the universe is as small the mind inside your head.

Only in the most technical of ways. That's why we have judges. They are supposed to interpret the context of the situation, and they did poorly here because they failed to see the lack of restraint from the driver given all the cues that this guy is frail and out of his mind.

I know guys like this driver. They're pissed at the world and want every justification to let loose on someone, especially if they're some hobo punching bag no one will care about.
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awesome999
11/21/18 8:04:42 PM
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One punch man
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11/21/18 8:05:22 PM
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Kineth
11/21/18 8:05:56 PM
#46:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...

Get a load of this guy acting like he knows better than judges about the law. In "the most technical of ways"? Do you have ANY CLUE how law works? The most technical of ways and how language is interpreted is exactly how the law works.

I almost feel like you're assaulting me with your ignorance.

A_Good_Boy posted...
Now CEs gaggle of racist bird lawyers are here to tell us how this judge incorrectly tried the case.


Nice prophecy.
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scorpion41
11/21/18 8:07:24 PM
#47:


Kineth posted...
scorpion41 posted...
The driver had no reason to confront the idiot in the first place. In essence, the driver escalated the confrontation. He should have been charged.


Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Actually, I lied. I'm not sorry.


Yeah we know...as long as the filthy white man gets what he deserves youre happy.
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Kineth
11/21/18 8:08:50 PM
#48:


scorpion41 posted...
Kineth posted...
scorpion41 posted...
The driver had no reason to confront the idiot in the first place. In essence, the driver escalated the confrontation. He should have been charged.


Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Actually, I lied. I'm not sorry.


Yeah we know...as long as the filthy white man gets what he deserves youre happy.


Rude people, like you, deserve all the karma they get. Just because you think all rude people are white doesn't mean you need to project your racism onto me.
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glitteringfairy
11/21/18 8:09:51 PM
#49:


scorpion41 posted...
Kineth posted...
scorpion41 posted...
The driver had no reason to confront the idiot in the first place. In essence, the driver escalated the confrontation. He should have been charged.


Oregon law contains no duty to retreat and Mr Warren was within his right to exit his vehicle and verbally challenge the manner in which Mr. Manguson was addressing him.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Actually, I lied. I'm not sorry.


Yeah we know...as long as the filthy white man gets what he deserves youre happy.

Sorry if you can't grasp the concept of responding to mean words with physical violence
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hotcegaI
11/21/18 8:12:53 PM
#50:


this is no different to the trayvon incident
a terrible thing yes but legal
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