Current Events > So it seems like Article 13 is a REALLY big deal and we should all be worried.

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wiiking96
11/24/18 7:18:57 PM
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MatPat just uploaded a video explaining the principles of Article 13 and why it could be a huge problem for the internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbXHrj8k7dg" data-time="


If you're like me and had no idea what Article 13 was, I would highly recommend watching this video. You should find it very informative.

Here are some more links:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-article-13-article-11-european-directive-on-copyright-explained-meme-ban

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+TA+P8-TA-2018-0337+0+DOC+PDF+V0//EN
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FLUFFYGERM
11/24/18 7:20:24 PM
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Europe needs to bring back the guillotine, to be honest. These politicians who are pushing these laws have become completely corrupted by power.
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LordFarquad1312
11/24/18 7:24:54 PM
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I already sent a mail to a couple of senators a few months back. Not much more I can do for you homies.
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wiiking96
11/24/18 7:26:59 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
I already sent a mail to a couple of senators a few months back. Not much more I can do for you homies.

You can help spread the word. That's what us people in the US should be focusing on.
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El Mexicano Texano
11/24/18 7:35:33 PM
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I just saw the first 10seconds and I hate memes if this is all it affects then I don't give a shit and take them away
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tennisdude818
11/24/18 7:39:55 PM
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wiiking96
11/24/18 7:41:15 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
I just saw the first 10seconds and I hate memes if this is all it affects then I don't give a shit and take them away

It would affect far more than just memes. It would also affect:

- Parody videos.
- Reviews and analyses.
- Let's plays and reaction videos.

And basically anything else that incorporates copyrighted material under the principles of fair use.
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Youngster_Joey_
11/24/18 7:46:03 PM
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They wanted their nanny state, they can have their nanny state
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QueenCarly
11/24/18 7:47:58 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Europe needs to bring back the guillotine, to be honest. These politicians who are pushing these laws have become completely corrupted by power.


This but for entirely different reasons than you
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GiftedACIII
11/24/18 8:10:54 PM
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If this does pass any website not based in countries that these laws cover should simply not operate there and treat them like the China/Middle East tier censorship they want to become.
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soulunison2
11/27/18 5:26:01 AM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
I just saw the first 10seconds and I hate memes if this is all it affects then I don't give a shit and take them away
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piehead678
11/27/18 5:34:49 AM
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soulunison2 posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
I just saw the first 10seconds and I hate memes if this is all it affects then I don't give a shit and take them away

Do you enjoy Youtube or Twitch, or frankly anything using fair use? That goes away if this get's passed.
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Irony
11/27/18 5:35:41 AM
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soulunison2 posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
I just saw the first 10seconds and I hate memes if this is all it affects then I don't give a shit and take them away

It affecting memes is a meme. You fell for it. It actually affects everything.
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HagenEx
11/27/18 5:47:21 AM
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It doesn't stop with the memes.

Innova (The european publisher of the MMORPG Lineage II) already started taking down Twitch streams from private servers (Servers owned by individuals using older versions of the game).

So if you think that the only thing they're gonna take away is you being able to use certain characters in parodies or using certain pieces of media for compilations, you're wrong.

They're aiming way high here, and the goal is to butcher content creators and free entertainers. From streamers to content creators to walkthroughs and let's play videos, to reaction videos and even RULE 34.
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:32:12 AM
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Waaa waaaa my memes

Grow up
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HylianFox
11/27/18 11:33:16 AM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
hate memes if this is all it affects then I don't give a shit and take them away

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Dyinglegacy
11/27/18 11:33:51 AM
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What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:35:03 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?


Muh memes
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wiiking96
11/27/18 11:36:07 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?

Thousands of valid YouTubers could lose their ability to freely upload quality content.
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:36:48 AM
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wiiking96 posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?

Thousands of valid YouTubers could lose their ability to freely upload quality content.


Oh so youtubers have to get real jobs thats
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catboy0_0
11/27/18 11:37:34 AM
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is everyone who's acting like it only affect memes memeing?
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Thompson
11/27/18 11:39:19 AM
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soulunison2 posted...
wiiking96 posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?

Thousands of valid YouTubers could lose their ability to freely upload quality content.


Oh so youtubers have to get real jobs thats

Also say goodbye to any gameplay videos uploaded by anyone but the game publishers. And image hostign sites, too.
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Questionmarktarius
11/27/18 11:40:37 AM
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HagenEx posted...
They're aiming way high here, and the goal is to butcher content creators and free entertainers. From streamers to content creators to walkthroughs and let's play videos, to reaction videos and even RULE 34.

Badly animated Sonic characters fucking each other isn't really "creating". It's parody at best.
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:41:39 AM
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Thompson posted...
soulunison2 posted...
wiiking96 posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?

Thousands of valid YouTubers could lose their ability to freely upload quality content.


Oh so youtubers have to get real jobs thats

Also say goodbye to any gameplay videos uploaded by anyone but the game publishers. And image hostign sites, too.


Letsplays are the scum of the yt community tbh
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catboy0_0
11/27/18 11:42:32 AM
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longplays and letsplays are basically the only thing good in my life
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TwoDoorPunkCab
11/27/18 11:43:38 AM
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article 13 is going to pass easily an ruin a lot of online content for everyone because ppl would rather ignore it and make dumb jokes than give a shit
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:44:33 AM
#28:


catboy0_0 posted...
longplays and letsplays are basically the only thing good in my life


You should pick up Brazilian jiu jitsu
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catboy0_0
11/27/18 11:45:17 AM
#29:


soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
longplays and letsplays are basically the only thing good in my life


You should pick up Brazilian jiu jitsu

I'm too clumbsy for any serious physical activity.
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voldothegr8
11/27/18 11:46:03 AM
#30:


wiiking96 posted...
and why it could be a huge problem for the internet.

Huge problem for Europe's internet maybe
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Thompson
11/27/18 11:47:44 AM
#31:


soulunison2 posted...
Thompson posted...
soulunison2 posted...
wiiking96 posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?

Thousands of valid YouTubers could lose their ability to freely upload quality content.


Oh so youtubers have to get real jobs thats

Also say goodbye to any gameplay videos uploaded by anyone but the game publishers. And image hostign sites, too.


Letsplays are the scum of the yt community tbh

I said ANY gameplay, and by that I mean nearly 100% of it. Video walkthroughs, glitch compilations, machinima, and even plain vanilla non-commented gameplay showcases. All goes poof. Gone. Like, no video game footage on the Internet aside from the meticulously curated material provided by the publishers.
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:49:11 AM
#32:


Thompson posted...
soulunison2 posted...
Thompson posted...
soulunison2 posted...
wiiking96 posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?

Thousands of valid YouTubers could lose their ability to freely upload quality content.


Oh so youtubers have to get real jobs thats

Also say goodbye to any gameplay videos uploaded by anyone but the game publishers. And image hostign sites, too.


Letsplays are the scum of the yt community tbh

I said ANY gameplay, and by that I mean nearly 100% of it. Video walkthroughs, glitch compilations, machinima, and even plain vanilla non-commented gameplay showcases. All goes poof. Gone. Like, no video game footage on the Internet aside from the meticulously curated material provided by the publishers.


I dont watch any of that garbage tho, I dont understand how anyone can enjoy that

Perhaps pick a better hobby such as Brazilian jiu jitsu
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:49:47 AM
#33:


catboy0_0 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
longplays and letsplays are basically the only thing good in my life


You should pick up Brazilian jiu jitsu

I'm too clumbsy for any serious physical activity.


Youll get it, if a five year old can do an o soto gari you can too!
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gunplagirl
11/27/18 11:50:51 AM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Europe needs to bring back the guillotine, to be honest. These politicians who are pushing these laws have become completely corrupted by power.

Doesn't help they don't usually have any internet experience besides Facebook and Twitter
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LightHawKnight
11/27/18 11:51:04 AM
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You just realized? Many people have been talking about this for a while now.
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Questionmarktarius
11/27/18 11:51:41 AM
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Thompson posted...
I said ANY gameplay, and by that I mean nearly 100% of it. Video walkthroughs, glitch compilations, machinima, and even plain vanilla non-commented gameplay showcases. All goes poof. Gone. Like, no video game footage on the Internet aside from the meticulously curated material provided by the publishers.

On the upside, though, google searches for "how do I [thing] in [game]?" will stop leading to twenty minute "be sure to like and subscribe" videos for a fifteen-second answer.
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catboy0_0
11/27/18 11:51:45 AM
#37:


soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
longplays and letsplays are basically the only thing good in my life


You should pick up Brazilian jiu jitsu

I'm too clumbsy for any serious physical activity.


Youll get it, if a five year old can do an o soto gari you can too!

I tried to learn how to ollie on a skateboard for fucking months and could never pop one
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voldothegr8
11/27/18 11:52:15 AM
#38:


Thompson posted...
soulunison2 posted...
Thompson posted...
soulunison2 posted...
wiiking96 posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?

Thousands of valid YouTubers could lose their ability to freely upload quality content.


Oh so youtubers have to get real jobs thats

Also say goodbye to any gameplay videos uploaded by anyone but the game publishers. And image hostign sites, too.


Letsplays are the scum of the yt community tbh

I said ANY gameplay, and by that I mean nearly 100% of it. Video walkthroughs, glitch compilations, machinima, and even plain vanilla non-commented gameplay showcases. All goes poof. Gone. Like, no video game footage on the Internet aside from the meticulously curated material provided by the publishers.

It doesn't all go poof though, it only goes poof from European creators.
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:52:24 AM
#39:


catboy0_0 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
longplays and letsplays are basically the only thing good in my life


You should pick up Brazilian jiu jitsu

I'm too clumbsy for any serious physical activity.


Youll get it, if a five year old can do an o soto gari you can too!

I tried to learn how to ollie on a skateboard for fucking months and could never pop one


Practice man, practice you lack will probably because you use walkthroughs
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catboy0_0
11/27/18 11:53:37 AM
#40:


soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
longplays and letsplays are basically the only thing good in my life


You should pick up Brazilian jiu jitsu

I'm too clumbsy for any serious physical activity.


Youll get it, if a five year old can do an o soto gari you can too!

I tried to learn how to ollie on a skateboard for fucking months and could never pop one


Practice man, practice you lack will probably because you use walkthroughs

nope. I'm just not mechanically inclined. I practiced for a long time things others got almost immediately. I'm just not capable of certain things
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Quicksilver
11/27/18 11:54:12 AM
#41:


Alright so how does this have any impact on me as an American (USA!).
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:54:14 AM
#42:


catboy0_0 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
longplays and letsplays are basically the only thing good in my life


You should pick up Brazilian jiu jitsu

I'm too clumbsy for any serious physical activity.


Youll get it, if a five year old can do an o soto gari you can too!

I tried to learn how to ollie on a skateboard for fucking months and could never pop one


Practice man, practice you lack will probably because you use walkthroughs

nope. I'm just not mechanically inclined. I practiced for a long time things others got almost immediately. I'm just not capable of certain things


You lack commitment man I see it in your eyes
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wiiking96
11/27/18 11:54:40 AM
#43:


LightHawKnight posted...
You just realized? Many people have been talking about this for a while now.

Clearly not enough people.
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catboy0_0
11/27/18 11:55:28 AM
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it's not worth it to practice something I'm naturally bad at while everyone else leaves me in the dust and I can't even get the first part right. it's soul crushing
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TwoDoorPunkCab
11/27/18 11:55:45 AM
#45:


Quicksilver posted...
Alright so how does this have any impact on me as an American (USA!).


it will affect any and all content you watch that is produced in europe
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soulunison2
11/27/18 11:56:22 AM
#46:


catboy0_0 posted...
it's not worth it to practice something I'm naturally bad at while everyone else leaves me in the dust and I can't even get the first part right. it's soul crushing


What a shame having this mindset smh
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catboy0_0
11/27/18 11:58:05 AM
#47:


soulunison2 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
it's not worth it to practice something I'm naturally bad at while everyone else leaves me in the dust and I can't even get the first part right. it's soul crushing


What a shame having this mindset smh

nah, I'll just do things I'm more naturally inclined to do
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Questionmarktarius
11/27/18 11:58:51 AM
#48:


Quicksilver posted...
Alright so how does this have any impact on me as an American (USA!).

Sites without the balls to tell Europe to fuck off are going to be slathered with annoying notices and bullshit like those "oh hey, we use cookies, and will block a third of the window telling you so!" popups, possibly worse.
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Tyranthraxus
11/27/18 11:59:10 AM
#49:


Thompson posted...
soulunison2 posted...
wiiking96 posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
What's a quick one sentence brief on article 13?

Thousands of valid YouTubers could lose their ability to freely upload quality content.


Oh so youtubers have to get real jobs thats

Also say goodbye to any gameplay videos uploaded by anyone but the game publishers. And image hostign sites, too.


piehead678 posted...
soulunison2 posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
I just saw the first 10seconds and I hate memes if this is all it affects then I don't give a shit and take them away

Do you enjoy Youtube or Twitch, or frankly anything using fair use? That goes away if this get's passed.


Please stop with this shit. This is not an attack on Fair Use. It's about tightening copyright violations and material utilized under Fair Use is not a copyright violation.

Article 13 states that content hosts are now liable for copyright violations committed by its users. This is really really bad for a different reason entirely.

Upload Beyonce's new single to Youtube unauthorized? Google gets sued.
Upload a clip of Star Wars to Facebook? Facebook gets sued.

This places an intense economic burden on the content hosts to pay for the crimes committed by others. In no other industry does such a fucking ridiculous requirement exist. If I make illegal copies of a DVD, Samsung doesn't get sued for making the DVD-R that I used. If I broadcast unlicensed music to customers in my store over a custome sound system, Logitech doesn't get sued for the speakers I used. It's an absolutely fucking ridiculous precedent to set and it will force content driven websites to do one of two things.

1. Block all access to the EU entirely
2. Lock things down and impose strict curation on who and what gets to upload and where

Note that people are constantly uploading copyrighted shit to Steam as well all the time in the form of copyright-violating mods and sometimes entire scam games with copyright violations in them. You'll find that mods for games and the websites that host them will suddenly become unavailable because nobody wants to take a risk for millions of dollars because one guy decided to upload The Beatles radio station mod for GTA.
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soulunison2
11/27/18 12:01:33 PM
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Imagine caring this much about shitty youtubers like mattpat
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Tyranthraxus
11/27/18 12:02:11 PM
#51:


soulunison2 posted...
Imagine caring this much about shitty youtubers like mattpat

It's not about YouTube
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