Current Events > So we're firing tear gas at migrants.

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EdgeMaster posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Yeah no I'm sure gassing innocent people is totally justified and not Nazi like at all.

you do know there is a difference between teargas and cyklon b, right?

Madfoot, I'm not interested in the finer details of genocide tnx

Teargas is not really going to kill anyone. I have seen men stand in a closed room and breath it without any problem.

It's not a good option when children are involved. Detain and process their asylum claims. We should have had the infrastructure to do this decades ago.

The problem with that is they never tried to seek asylum..... they tried to enter the country illegally, which ya know, is against the law, much like the crimes they committed in Mexico.

Can you name those crimes? Which crimes, and by whom?

They can't seek asylum if they can't set foot into the damn country.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158
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This is entirely a crisis of our own making. We place every conceivable obstacle in the path of orderly legal migration and have the gall to be appalled when people are no longer willing to take our shit.
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CyricZ posted...

This is entirely a crisis of our own making. We place every conceivable obstacle in the path of orderly legal migration and have the gall to be appalled when people are no longer willing to take our shit.

You do realize that the people we launched tear gas at were trying to enter the country illegally by literally jumping a fence?
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Also how the fuck is any of this our crisis? We made these people flee their country?

I'm not a Trump supporter but ffs, you gotta see the forest for the trees in this situation
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PhazonReborn posted...

Also how the fuck is any of this our crisis? We made these people flee their country?

I'm not a Trump supporter but ffs, you gotta see the forest for the trees in this situation

http://theconversation.com/how-us-policy-in-honduras-set-the-stage-for-todays-migration-65935
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PhazonReborn posted...

Also how the fuck is any of this our crisis? We made these people flee their country?

I'm not a Trump supporter but ffs, you gotta see the forest for the trees in this situation

Because colonialism or something.
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haha using chemical warfare against unarmed civilians sounds cool lol
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PhazonReborn posted...

You do realize that the people we launched tear gas at were trying to enter the country illegally by literally jumping a fence?

wrong wrong wrong

some were trying to cut holes in said fence as well
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anth0ny posted...

haha using chemical warfare against unarmed civilians sounds cool lol

Tear Gas isn't the chemical warfare you think it is, but ok my friend.
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CyricZ posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

Also how the fuck is any of this our crisis? We made these people flee their country?

I'm not a Trump supporter but ffs, you gotta see the forest for the trees in this situation

http://theconversation.com/how-us-policy-in-honduras-set-the-stage-for-todays-migration-65935

Thanks. It still isn't our obligation to let them tear holes in the fence and enter illegally. Everyone kept saying for months that these people were going to seek asylum and I've yet to see that.
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PhazonReborn posted...

anth0ny posted...

haha using chemical warfare against unarmed civilians sounds cool lol

Tear Gas isn't the chemical warfare you think it is, but ok my friend.

you're right. it was invented for peaceful purposes. not for militaries and and swat (ex-military members)
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Regardless of the fact that we've had a deep role in the crisis in Honduras, my point stands alone that instead of attempting to orderly deal with this caravan, we instead demonized, stoked fear, and sent military troops in a vapid show of force.

We've done everything in our power to make these refugees hated.

And I say again, we have the gall to be appalled at the actions of powerless and desperate people.
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I think our politicians and top corps should be forced to invite these people into their homes. Stop guilting the American people that don't even have healthcare because you want more illegal cheap labor.
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CyricZ posted...

Regardless of the fact that we've had a deep role in the crisis in Honduras, my point stands alone that instead of attempting to orderly deal with this caravan, we instead demonized, stoked fear, and sent military troops in a vapid show of force.

We've done everything in our power to make these refugees hated.

And I say again, we have the gall to be appalled at the actions of powerless and desperate people.

Fine, let's let them in, but I say send them North to Canada. Fair? They have tons of space, a third of the population, and are accepting (apparently)
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Getting hit with a rock thrown by a grown man is way more dangerous than CS gas.
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the topic should read:

"we're firing tear gas at CIVILIANS"
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P4wn4g3 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Tfw you're not sure the source is exactly objective

It is in the open air and they can just stop trying to get into our country illegally.

I was referring to you gassing a roomful of people for funsies, or so you'd like to claim

I claimed that since I was a Marine and have been in a gas chamber several times so I have more of an understanding of teargas than probably every one else in this topic.

No need to go mass shooter on anyone madfoot

Also I found your shirt

Someone is mad.
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Orthopox12 posted...

Getting hit with a rock thrown by a grown man is way more dangerous than CS gas.

it's somehting like probably aristotle/socrates says:

"a man that is willing to throw a rock is a man that uis willing to work"
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CyricZ posted...

Regardless of the fact that we've had a deep role in the crisis in Honduras, my point stands alone that instead of attempting to orderly deal with this caravan, we instead demonized, stoked fear, and sent military troops in a vapid show of force.

We've done everything in our power to make these refugees hated.

And I say again, we have the gall to be appalled at the actions of powerless and desperate people.

The problem is that the application process is already like 6+ months to hear back and there's already a few thousand at the gates. Who's going to house them for the half year or more it'll take to get processed, and who takes them if they're denied? "Catch and release" doesn't work in the US because they just flee and are never seen again, but Tijuana is also struggling to support them. What are these people going to do while they're waiting to hear back? And if they DO get caught on the US side, are people going to flip shit again when they get put in detention centers because there's nowhere else to house them?
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PhazonReborn posted...

Everyone kept saying for months that these people were going to seek asylum and I've yet to see that.

Of course they're not seeking asylum, people have made it more or less impossible to even enter the country and you can't seek asylum unless you're in the country. You're arguing in circles.
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So if there was such concern about them entering illegally, with so much advance notice, why couldnt resources be allocated to set up efficient and humane processes and temporary facilities with which to review and process them as potential citizens or visa holders through the correct legal channels

It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to do so btw
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PhazonReborn posted...

Fine, let's let them in, but I say send them North to Canada. Fair? They have tons of space, a third of the population, and are accepting (apparently)

Are you suggesting the US is out of room? We can't accept another few thousand people in a country of hundreds of millions?

Also, unemployment being as low as it is right now means jobs needed and not being filled.

s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that the application process is already like 6+ months to hear back

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.
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texas has 28.3 million baboobs

and ranks 43rd in terms of educations
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butthole666 posted...

So if there was such concern about them entering illegally, with so much advance notice, why couldnt resources be allocated to set up efficient and humane processes and temporary facilities with which to review and process them as potential citizens or visa holders through the correct legal channels

It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to do so btw

Our system is set up to deal with a steady trickle of cases, not a seasonal wave of what is nearing 10,000 people who aren't going to wait around for an answer. Plus let's not pretend if they got put into "temporary facilities" for months you wouldn't be calling them concentration camps.
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CyricZ posted...

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

Right, so why isn't it their problem to fix their own system?
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Has the caravan dispersed yet? Or are they still trying to claw their way in?
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s0nicfan posted...

CyricZ posted...

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

Right, so why isn't it their problem to fix their own system?

when i become emperor i will fix everything
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Something needs to be done. What this caravan has done is unethical. You cant just burden people because you cant take self responsibility

s0nicfan posted...

CyricZ posted...

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

Right, so why isn't it their problem to fix their own system?

Would you put your family at risk for it, or would you bring them to safety?
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The23rdMagus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

CyricZ posted...

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

Right, so why isn't it their problem to fix their own system?

Would you put your family at risk for it, or would you bring them to safety?

Thats not the point. They are running from their problems when they have a chance to fix it. Thats unexcusable

___b0xxY2J0sHBK posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

CyricZ posted...

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

Right, so why isn't it their problem to fix their own system?

Would you put your family at risk for it, or would you bring them to safety?

Thats not the point. They are running from their problems when they have a chance to fix it. Thats unexcusable

https://bit.ly/2K0TTqX (resized due to long link)

Just by way of random example. How does a typical unarmed family fix an issue like this?
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The23rdMagus posted...

___b0xxY2J0sHBK posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

CyricZ posted...

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

Right, so why isn't it their problem to fix their own system?

Would you put your family at risk for it, or would you bring them to safety?

Thats not the point. They are running from their problems when they have a chance to fix it. Thats unexcusable

https://bit.ly/2K0TTqX (resized due to long link)

Just by way of random example. How does a typical unarmed family fix an issue like this?

My banding together. Their life sends a message to the world which creates change. The answer is not to burden us in the USA who overwhelmingly dont want them and their baggage.

___b0xxY2J0sHBK posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

___b0xxY2J0sHBK posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

CyricZ posted...

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

Right, so why isn't it their problem to fix their own system?

Would you put your family at risk for it, or would you bring them to safety?

Thats not the point. They are running from their problems when they have a chance to fix it. Thats unexcusable

https://bit.ly/2K0TTqX (resized due to long link)

Just by way of random example. How does a typical unarmed family fix an issue like this?

My banding together. Their life sends a message to the world which creates change. The answer is not to burden us in the USA who overwhelmingly dont want them and their baggage.

By "their life", you mean "their death".
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CyricZ posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

Fine, let's let them in, but I say send them North to Canada. Fair? They have tons of space, a third of the population, and are accepting (apparently)

Are you suggesting the US is out of room? We can't accept another few thousand people in a country of hundreds of millions?

Also, unemployment being as low as it is right now means jobs needed and not being filled.

Conservatives love to brag about the fake job numbers and GDP growth. How about we start measuring success by how many people don't have access to healthcare in the richest country of the world. Or how many people live paycheck to paycheck or are in poverty.

I'm sure the people in those caravans that don't speak English or have any sort of accredited university education are going to fill all those "unfilled" jobs. It's not uncommon for people with college degrees to still be fighting for a living wage and access to healthcare.

Canada would be a much safer option for them.
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s0nicfan posted...

"Catch and release" doesn't work in the US because they just flee and are never seen again,

https://cliniclegal.org/sites/default/files/Denied-a-Day-in-Court.pdf

Contrary to the narrative that families purposely abscond from immigration court, ASAP and CLINICs clients all had legitimate reasons for being unable to attend their hearings, including lack of notice, incorrect government information, serious medical problems, language barriers, and severe trauma or disabilities. Importantly, ASAP and CLINICs clients represented nationals from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras who had received removal orders from 15 different immigration courts. Most of these families were alerted to their removal orders by prior pro bono counsel who represented them while they were in detention, and who then connected them with ASAP and CLINICs services. The other families sought general information about asylum from ASAP and CLINIC, leading them to realize they had missed a hearing. Once families became aware of their in absentia removal orders, they overwhelmingly sought to reopen their cases to seek asylum.

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Oh yes, die and die in the name of freeing your country, but don't you dare inconvenience us with your people too scared to march into the hail of bullets.
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The23rdMagus posted...

___b0xxY2J0sHBK posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

___b0xxY2J0sHBK posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

CyricZ posted...

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

Right, so why isn't it their problem to fix their own system?

Would you put your family at risk for it, or would you bring them to safety?

Thats not the point. They are running from their problems when they have a chance to fix it. Thats unexcusable

https://bit.ly/2K0TTqX (resized due to long link)

Just by way of random example. How does a typical unarmed family fix an issue like this?

My banding together. Their life sends a message to the world which creates change. The answer is not to burden us in the USA who overwhelmingly dont want them and their baggage.

By "their life", you mean "their death".

I absolutely do. Change doesnt happen because of coward behavior. You have to fight for what you believe in. This is the concept of war. Bombs and weapons are easy to make. They have the numbers to make change. They just need to man up and face it head on.

Which alt is this one again?
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CyricZ posted...

Oh yes, die and die in the name of freeing your country

Why wouldn't you be willing to die for your country if it meant freedom from oppression?

Why should we award cowards who won't even fight for their country citizenship?

CyricZ posted...

but don't you dare inconvenience us with your people too scared to march into the hail of bullets.

Sorry to say this but their problems aren't ours to fix and no amout of "BUT MUH FEELINGS!!" will never change that
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CyricZ posted...

Oh yes, die and die in the name of freeing your country, but don't you dare inconvenience us with your people too scared to march into the hail of bullets.

So you don't think all the farmers and families that took on the British Empire were not scared and afraid to rush into a hail of bullets? America was built on standing up against tyrants, not running like a coward and leaving your friends and family to die. We don't need those types here.
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GrindcoreShark posted...

Sorry to say this

This is the biggest lie you've told in this topic.
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CyricZ posted...

This is the biggest lie you've told in this topic.

This is my first post in the topic. Are you so distraught fighting back tears that you can't even tell who you're responding to? Lol
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I wasn't planning on giving him much else.
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Again, the simplest solution is to open up "sponsorship" (aka Affidavit of Support: https://www.uscis.gov/greencard/affidavit-support ) to anyone.
Absolutely anyone should be allowed to offer a couch or spare bedroom to any immigrant, as well as financial support, rather than demand everyone else do so.

Spooking posted...

Also, anybody in law enforcement gets tear gassed during training - at least when they join SWAT they do. They need to experience that feeling.

I have a few friends who are cops and they all had to get peppersprayed and tazed at some point in their training
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Conservatives aren't afraid of tear gas; most of them were crying anyway.
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Spooking posted...

You can't pick and choose where to go when you are a refugee, you go to nearest safest country.

Ah yes, Mexico is famous for its safety
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RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Tfw you're not sure the source is exactly objective

It is in the open air and they can just stop trying to get into our country illegally.

I was referring to you gassing a roomful of people for funsies, or so you'd like to claim

I claimed that since I was a Marine and have been in a gas chamber several times so I have more of an understanding of teargas than probably every one else in this topic.

No need to go mass shooter on anyone madfoot

Also I found your shirt

Someone is mad.

I see this went entirely over your head.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I see this went entirely over your head.

Nah, you just got mad.
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