Current Events > So we're firing tear gas at migrants.

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RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I see this went entirely over your head.

Nah, you just got mad.

He says, sweating profusely. In one hand he clutches a picture of Alex Jones, in the other a Presidential Coin for the 45th president Donald J Trump. Blood trickles from cuts on his face which he has been using to type. And then when they least expect it, he jumps onto an alt nobody has seen before, an old account with nearly 500 karma and shouts "Take that liberals!"

You're a sad person madfoot.
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RiderofHogs posted...

Madfoot, I'm not interested in the finer details of genocide tnx

P4wn4g3 posted...

No need to go mass shooter on anyone madfoot

What does "Madfoot" mean?
Is that just a random stupid word you made up?
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ah
you got me
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ROBANN_88 posted...

What does "Madfoot" mean?
Is that just a random stupid word you made up?

Seems to be. Or else he thinks I am someone's alt.
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Now you're just going to do the hoth routine?

k cousin, have fun with that
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So now I'm Hoth? Who else am I going to be?
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Urban dictionary is drawing a blank on Madfoot, and the only google results are an Asian shoe company and a random twitter handle that's not relevant to anything
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Is this a game now? because it's boring.
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RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Tfw you're not sure the source is exactly objective

It is in the open air and they can just stop trying to get into our country illegally.

I was referring to you gassing a roomful of people for funsies, or so you'd like to claim

I claimed that since I was a Marine and have been in a gas chamber several times so I have more of an understanding of teargas than probably every one else in this topic.

No need to go mass shooter on anyone madfoot

Also I found your shirt

Someone is mad.

...I want that shirt.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Is this a game now? because it's boring.

You wanted to play.
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booboy posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RiderofHogs posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Tfw you're not sure the source is exactly objective

It is in the open air and they can just stop trying to get into our country illegally.

I was referring to you gassing a roomful of people for funsies, or so you'd like to claim

I claimed that since I was a Marine and have been in a gas chamber several times so I have more of an understanding of teargas than probably every one else in this topic.

No need to go mass shooter on anyone madfoot

Also I found your shirt

Someone is mad.

...I want that shirt.

just google image search the navy seal copypasta, you'll find it.
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CyricZ posted...

This is entirely a crisis of our own making. We place every conceivable obstacle in the path of orderly legal migration and have the gall to be appalled when people are no longer willing to take our shit.

Its not like america asked for refugees to try to enter their country... there is someone you can put 100% of the blame on, but its not america for enforcing their borders.

And btw, they arent "fleeing to safety to get away from the problems of their home country". They are "bringing all their problems with them to ruin other countries as well."
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Rika_Furude posted...

Its not like america asked for refugees to try to enter their country...

No, but as has been demonstrated already, America has been a bit if an enabler in destabilizing this region. In fact, the US has worked hard to shit on pretty much every Latin American country for their own personal gain. They really are partly to blame for how things are.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Its not like america asked for refugees to try to enter their country.

There's an excerpt of a poem on the Statue of Liberty. Dunno if you've heard of it.
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CyricZ posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Its not like america asked for refugees to try to enter their country.

There's an excerpt of a poem on the Statue of Liberty. Dunno if you've heard of it.

Come on, that's not fair. The Statue of Liberty is in New York, not on the souther border!
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don't come here illegally
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Good.
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These folks were offered asylum in Mexico and did not take it. They do not meet the qualifications to seek asylum in the US. The men in this caravan were throwing rocks and pushing women and children to the front lines, what do you think is gonna happen when you break through the fence and attacking border patrol agents?

Mexico does not want them and the US does not want them. Deport them back to Central America!
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They need to go somewhere else.
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DanAnsumHandsom posted...

isn't tc gaslighting?

Gaslighting should be an illegal tactic
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s0nicfan posted...

andel posted...

there are children that got tear gassed, obviously this is fucked up. just let these people apply for asylum like the process allows for and accept/deny appropriately

There's nothing stopping them from applying. Some ARE applying. The problem is that the application process is already like 6+ months to hear back and there's already a few thousand at the gates. Who's going to house them for the half year or more it'll take to get processed, and who takes them if they're denied? "Catch and release" doesn't work in the US because they just flee and are never seen again, but Tijuana is also struggling to support them. What are these people going to do while they're waiting to hear back? And if they DO get caught on the US side, are people going to flip shit again when they get put in detention centers because there's nowhere else to house them?

This got glossed over, as no one had an answer for it.
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ManBeast462 posted...

DanAnsumHandsom posted...

isn't tc gaslighting?

Gaslighting should be an illegal tactic

Please describe how I am gaslighting.

VTBM posted...

These folks were offered asylum in Mexico and did not take it.

This may come as a surprise, but Mexico's really not all that great. I don't know if you heard, but there are some people who want to build a wall between their country and Mexico. Who would want to live in a country that got walled off?
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Dyinglegacy posted...

This got glossed over, as no one had an answer for it.

CyricZ posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that the application process is already like 6+ months to hear back

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

I did address it, but the response to that was "well, maybe they should fix their own system instead of us fixing ours".

I'm not saying the process isn't complicated, but are we the most capable country in the world or aren't we?
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CyricZ posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

This got glossed over, as no one had an answer for it.

CyricZ posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that the application process is already like 6+ months to hear back

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

I did address it, but the response to that was "well, maybe they should fix their own system instead of us fixing ours".

I'm not saying the process isn't complicated, but are we the most capable country in the world or aren't we?

Properly fixing the immigration system takes away a major issue that the people can be kept rallied against each other over. Nobody in power wants that.
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VectorChaos posted...

CyricZ posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

This got glossed over, as no one had an answer for it.

CyricZ posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that the application process is already like 6+ months to hear back

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

I did address it, but the response to that was "well, maybe they should fix their own system instead of us fixing ours".

I'm not saying the process isn't complicated, but are we the most capable country in the world or aren't we?

Properly fixing the immigration system takes away a major issue that the people can be kept rallied against each other over. Nobody in power wants that.

Except it's a two way system. No amount of improvements on our end will speed up background checks that require other countries to participate. It turns out that "where are you from" is a hard answer to prove
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s0nicfan posted...

VectorChaos posted...

CyricZ posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

This got glossed over, as no one had an answer for it.

CyricZ posted...

s0nicfan posted...

The problem is that the application process is already like 6+ months to hear back

It doesn't have to be. Our system. Our problem to fix.

I did address it, but the response to that was "well, maybe they should fix their own system instead of us fixing ours".

I'm not saying the process isn't complicated, but are we the most capable country in the world or aren't we?

Properly fixing the immigration system takes away a major issue that the people can be kept rallied against each other over. Nobody in power wants that.

Except it's a two way system. No amount of improvements on our end will speed up background checks that require other countries to participate. It turns out that "where are you from" is a hard answer to prove

Really reaching now asking for perfection.
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s0nicfan posted...

No amount of improvements on our end will speed up background checks that require other countries to participate.

Well not with that attitude.
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If by migrants you mean an invasion army consisting of mostly males that were paid off by Soros and the Democrats, then I think I know what youre talking about.

The media keeps going on about women and children yet we see the same picture of the same obese woman with two children, looks very staged and set up to me.
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Shadow Flare posted...

If by migrants you mean an invasion army consisting of mostly males that were paid off by Soros and the Democrats, then I think I know what youre talking about.

You don't know what you're talking about
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Shadow Flare posted...

If by migrants you mean an invasion army consisting of mostly males that were paid off by Soros and the Democrats, then I think I know what youre talking about.

The media keeps going on about women and children yet we see the same picture of the same obese woman with two children, looks very staged and set up to me.

If it weren't for the karma amount, it'd be easy to ID you as one of the usual suspects using a long-abandoned and hacked account.

But no.
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Oh no tear gas
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Dyinglegacy posted...

This got glossed over, as no one had an answer for it.

Uh, I did respond to it.
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CyricZ posted...

Shadow Flare posted...

If by migrants you mean an invasion army consisting of mostly males that were paid off by Soros and the Democrats, then I think I know what youre talking about.

The media keeps going on about women and children yet we see the same picture of the same obese woman with two children, looks very staged and set up to me.

If it weren't for the karma amount, it'd be easy to ID you as one of the usual suspects using a long-abandoned and hacked account.

But no.

I mean, there are still some possibilities there. For one I wouldn't put it past madfoot to buy an account just to shit post with it, as unlikely as it is that someone would sell their high karma account.
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scar the 1 posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

This got glossed over, as no one had an answer for it.

Uh, I did respond to it.

I went like 4 or 5 pages after and didn't see a response. Not reading through all that lol. Where is yours?
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Dyinglegacy posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

This got glossed over, as no one had an answer for it.

Uh, I did respond to it.

I went like 4 or 5 pages after and didn't see a response. Not reading through all that lol. Where is yours?

#186. I responded specifically to his assertion that "catch and release doesn't work". It's true that it "doesn't work", but not really for the reason most people on the right like to imply. It's not that people try to hide, it's that the system is really bad at notifying them properly.
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CyricZ posted...

This may come as a surprise, but Mexico's really not all that great. I don't know if you heard, but there are some people who want to build a wall between their country and Mexico. Who would want to live in a country that got walled off?

This may come as a surprise, but first they tried saying they're seeking asylum. You don't get asylum by passing thru a country that offered it to get to one you like better. Thus, they are migrants, they can go through the proper process. If they want to act like an unruly mob? Fuck em tbh, send them home
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powerman1426 posted...

You don't get asylum by passing thru a country that offered it to get to one you like better.

This is the first I've heard of it, so please source.
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CyricZ posted...

powerman1426 posted...

You don't get asylum by passing thru a country that offered it to get to one you like better.

This is the first I've heard of it, so please source.

The official ruling on Refugee law, below, leaves it up to individual countries to determine how to enforce asylum claims. The EU has the Dublin regulation, for example, which requires migrants to seek asylum in the first valid country they enter.
https://ijrcenter.org/refugee-law/

Similarly, the US and Canada have an agreement that says the same thing:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/
corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/
agreements/safe-third-country-agreement.html

The gray area here is that Mexico has refused in the past to sign on with that agreement, but international law allows for the US to maintain that rule even if Mexico doesn't participate, as long as Mexico is considered a valid destination.

In other words, as long as they are not fleeing Mexico, the US has every legal right to deny them a claim on the basis that they are in a country that could process it. And this is a rule that extends not only to Canada, but the entirety of the EU.
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Gotcha, so this is not an absolute, but it is allowable for the US to deny entry based on this. The US is not forced to deny entry to those who didn't accept asylum offerings in another country, but they can turn them away on that basis.

But we still can accept them, correct?
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CyricZ posted...

Gotcha, so this is not an absolute, but it is allowable for the US to deny entry based on this. The US is not forced to deny entry to those who didn't accept asylum offerings in another country, but they can turn them away on that basis.

But we still can accept them, correct?

Yes.
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All right. Thank you.
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CyricZ posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Its not like america asked for refugees to try to enter their country.

There's an excerpt of a poem on the Statue of Liberty. Dunno if you've heard of it.

A poem does not nor will it ever constitute official US policy.
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Paragon21XX posted...

CyricZ posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Its not like america asked for refugees to try to enter their country.

There's an excerpt of a poem on the Statue of Liberty. Dunno if you've heard of it.

A poem does not nor will it ever constitute official US policy.

I wasn't speaking in terms of policy. I was speaking in terms of morality and ideals.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

CyricZ posted...

Shadow Flare posted...

If by migrants you mean an invasion army consisting of mostly males that were paid off by Soros and the Democrats, then I think I know what youre talking about.

The media keeps going on about women and children yet we see the same picture of the same obese woman with two children, looks very staged and set up to me.

If it weren't for the karma amount, it'd be easy to ID you as one of the usual suspects using a long-abandoned and hacked account.

But no.

I mean, there are still some possibilities there. For one I wouldn't put it past madfoot to buy an account just to shit post with it, as unlikely as it is that someone would sell their high karma account.

Or, yknow, maybe Im a Libertarian who rightfully doesnt trust our corrupt government and more importantly, our corrupt media which is run by liberals who want socialism, higher taxes, open borders, the destruction of the middle class, and more government control and oversight over everything?
I value personal liberty and freedom, and being responsible with our spending, and I think taxation is theft. Im also not game for letting people freely come into our country without respecting the legal process.
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Shadow Flare posted...

doesnt trust our corrupt government

Shadow Flare posted...

respecting the legal process.

Hm

EDIT: Honestly sounds like you ripped those lines off the back of a box of Libertari-O's.
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Shadow Flare posted...

maybe Im a Libertarian

Ah that explains things. You know Gary Johnson lost pretty bad here in NM.

Shadow Flare posted...

rightfully doesnt trust our corrupt government

I'll give you that one

Shadow Flare posted...

our corrupt media

Frankly, you should always view information with a critical eye

Shadow Flare posted...

is run by liberals

laff ok down the rabbit hole we goooo~

Shadow Flare posted...

I value personal liberty and freedom, and being responsible with our spending,

This describes nearly everyone.

Shadow Flare posted...

I think taxation is theft

Go move to your own island and start your own government there then.

Shadow Flare posted...

Im also not game for letting people freely come into our country without respecting the legal process.

Frankly it sounds like you'd be happier switching places with one of these people anyway.
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CyricZ posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

CyricZ posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Its not like america asked for refugees to try to enter their country.

There's an excerpt of a poem on the Statue of Liberty. Dunno if you've heard of it.

A poem does not nor will it ever constitute official US policy.

I wasn't speaking in terms of policy. I was speaking in terms of morality and ideals.

And that has never been a universal sentiment in America either. Some groups of immigrants were not welcomed with open arms initially and were often oppressed (namely the Irish and Chinese). The only reason why the poem is enshrined there is because the poet who wrote it did so to help raise funds for the pedestal for the statue. That's all. Just like how a major donor for a building may have the building named after them, the lady's poem that helped raise funds for the construction of the statue's pedestal is immortalized there.
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Paragon21XX posted...

And that has never been a universal sentiment in America either. Some groups of immigrants were not welcomed with open arms initially and were often oppressed (namely the Irish and Chinese). The only reason why the poem is enshrined there is because the poet who wrote it did so to help raise funds for the pedestal for the statue. That's all. Just like how a major donor for a building may have the building named after them, the lady's poem that helped raise funds for the construction of the statue's pedestal is immortalized there.

...I mean if you don't have any morality nor ideals I suppose I get why such a concept would be foreign to you.
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CyricZ posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

And that has never been a universal sentiment in America either. Some groups of immigrants were not welcomed with open arms initially and were often oppressed (namely the Irish and Chinese). The only reason why the poem is enshrined there is because the poet who wrote it did so to help raise funds for the pedestal for the statue. That's all. Just like how a major donor for a building may have the building named after them, the lady's poem that helped raise funds for the construction of the statue's pedestal is immortalized there.

...I mean if you don't have any morality nor ideals I suppose I get why such a concept would be foreign to you.

Says the guy advocating for those attempting to illegally cross the border because sitting tight while waiting for their request for asylum to be processed is going to take awhile (ports of entry can only handle around 100 asylum-seekers per day, meaning it will take about 50 days to handle just the early arrivals unless they are willing to trek to a different port).
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Paragon21XX posted...

Says the guy advocating for those attempting to illegally cross the border because sitting tight while waiting for their request for asylum to be processed is going to take awhile (ports of entry can only handle around 100 asylum-seekers per day, meaning it will take about 50 days to handle just the early arrivals unless they are willing to trek to a different port).

Yeah two things:

1) If this administration gave a damn, it would have sent more people with skills to process the migrants, rather than military troops.

2) Waiting for processing is far more humane than sending them back to their own violence-ridden country.
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