Current Events > I dismissed Sid Meiers Civilization series at first for being boring

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I think i saw a gameplay video and coupled with it being a turn based strategy i just noped out of it. But now that I've given Civ an honest chance I actually kinda like it.. I still think it is boring as shit to watch someone else play though and can be a little slow but otherwise it's a cool little game
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I'm sure it's a fun series but after seeing how much time some of my friends would sink into it I don't want to be caught in that trap.
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The newer games are boring because they take 30 hours each to finish. The only fun one is Civ Rev because it takes 5 hours at most

I can't get into 6, but I really loved 5. Great podcast game
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is there really that much of a difference between 5 and 6?

and yeah i saw the game i did (standard) was like 500 turns, i played for like an hour and was only at like turn 60, maybe even less. Got stuck in a dark age because i didn't understand the food mechanic and got involved in some wars with egypt. So next time, i'm either going to crush Egypt straight in the beginning or avoid them completely but have troops stationed in my territory on Fortify so I don't get surprise invaded like last time
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The board game look of it turns me off.
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Akagami_Shanks posted...

is there really that much of a difference between 5 and 6?

and yeah i saw the game i did (standard) was like 500 turns, i played for like an hour and was only at like turn 60, maybe even less. Got stuck in a dark age because i didn't understand the food mechanic and got involved in some wars with egypt. So next time, i'm either going to crush Egypt straight in the beginning or avoid them completely but have troops stationed in my territory on Fortify so I don't get surprise invaded like last time

I'm sure there's not, but it was enough to turn me off. But I only played for like 4 hours or so
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i didn't play any of them, so unless you outright told me what's different i would have no clue
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It's cool as a very complex board game but it's a really terrible strategy game. Paradox Interactive is better for that.
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i remember thinking it was boring too, until i tried it a second time and now have hundreds of hours into civ v lol
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I was always a Colonization guy myself.
Civ always felt like an Arms Race to me.
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Akagami_Shanks posted...

i didn't play any of them, so unless you outright told me what's different i would have no clue

Well, in 6 you have to set up your Cities with certain things. It was just more simple in 5. You didn't need to fulfill so many requirements. Like you have to be next to lake or a mountain. It has to be flat, it has to be this. That wasn't in V. What your cities were next to only effected a few things like a couple of the Wonders.
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I like 6 a lot better than 5. you can actually make a lot of cities. In 5 your happiness would be screwed.
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thronedfire2 posted...

I like 6 a lot better than 5. you can actually make a lot of cities. In 5 your happiness would be screwed.

I was just too stupid to figure out good places to put them. It was such a big change
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I've always kind of wanted to try Pandora: First Contact out, has anyone here had any experience with that?
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civ 6 is a load of fun, I put way more hours in 5 though (probably just a timing issue though)
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As I grew up playing games and developed an attention, I found I dismissed so many series too early.
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Im still not really interested in simulation games
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FreeKnowledge posted...

The newer games are boring because they take 30 hours each to finish. The only fun one is Civ Rev because it takes 5 hours at most

I'd say more like a max of 10 hours (if you are playing on standard speed). Still a long time of course.
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Hexenherz posted...

It's cool as a very complex board game but it's a really terrible strategy game. Paradox Interactive is better for that.

I'm closing in on 2000 hours on hearts of iron IV.
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KILBOTz posted...

Hexenherz posted...

It's cool as a very complex board game but it's a really terrible strategy game. Paradox Interactive is better for that.

I'm closing in on 2000 hours on hearts of iron IV.

sounds like its almost time to graduate to EU4
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solosnake posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Hexenherz posted...

It's cool as a very complex board game but it's a really terrible strategy game. Paradox Interactive is better for that.

I'm closing in on 2000 hours on hearts of iron IV.

sounds like its almost time to graduate to EU4

I have it but it freezes every time I try to play it
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solosnake posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Hexenherz posted...

It's cool as a very complex board game but it's a really terrible strategy game. Paradox Interactive is better for that.

I'm closing in on 2000 hours on hearts of iron IV.

sounds like its almost time to graduate to EU4

I like HOI 4 more because tanks
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Hexenherz posted...

It's cool as a very complex board game but it's a really terrible strategy game. Paradox Interactive is better for that.

ironically paradox's history started with them taking board games and turning them into strategy games

europa universalis was originally a 600 hour board game made in 1993

and hearts of iron is based on another game called the war in north africa which is like a 50,000 hr game
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I played Civ2 so much, I bet the disc is melted.
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MakoReizei posted...

solosnake posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Hexenherz posted...

It's cool as a very complex board game but it's a really terrible strategy game. Paradox Interactive is better for that.

I'm closing in on 2000 hours on hearts of iron IV.

sounds like its almost time to graduate to EU4

I like HOI 4 more because tanks

I like the combat more. I've played like 500 hours of CK2 and the EUIV combat looks much closer to that than HOIIV
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yeah, HOI has always been combat-focused since it's 10 years broken down by the hour rather than 250 years broken down by the day

also the variation in unit move speed in HOI is much greater than any other paradox title. meanwhile, economics are simplified to the point of supply train capacity and industrial capacity, versus the complex wealth mechanisms of EU titles and the industrial commodity markets of victoria
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All I know about the series is the ascended glitch of Ghandi nuking everything.
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Darkman124 posted...

yeah, HOI has always been combat-focused since it's 10 years broken down by the hour rather than 250 years broken down by the day

also the variation in unit move speed in HOI is much greater than any other paradox title. meanwhile, economics are simplified to the point of supply train capacity and industrial capacity, versus the complex wealth mechanisms of EU titles and the industrial commodity markets of victoria

Having a front line of motorized/motorized rocket artillery going 12 KM/H and just overrunning all those measly 4 KM/H troops everything is one of life's small joys.

I do wish the economy was more complex though. Next DLC will finally include fuel (currently just oil raw material).
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KILBOTz posted...

Having a front line of motorized/motorized rocket artillery going 12 KM/H and just overrunning all those measly 4 KM/H troops everything is one of life's small joys.

I do wish the economy was more complex though. Next DLC will finally include fuel (currently just oil raw material).

i was always more a fan of the wide-arc encirclement technique, since i could still use trailing infantry to fill the gaps. overrun works but it's something you could never do to a human. defense in depth is a hard counter to it.
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My best encirclement I once had ~200 unit encirclement of Soviet troops. Get a front line of 10 combat width infantry only on aggressive orders to make it so the enemy can't retreat, have 2 40 combat width tank armys (10 or so units each) a mix of light tanks 2, self propelled artillery 2, self-propelled anti-air 2 with motorized infantry back up. That allowed me to have like a 6 month conquest of USSR. I don't think the tactic works quite as well with the new build, at least I haven't been able to pull it off recently.
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going back to HOI2/stony road mod, which basically was max difficulty for a human-played USSR (your organization max literally gets dropped to 10), the solution was an anchor of level 10 fortresses running from sevestopol to leningrad

literally 10x the german force could do nothing to break it. basically the maginot line of russia.

is that still a thing in HOI4?
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Darkman124 posted...

going back to HOI2/stony road mod, which basically was max difficulty for a human-played USSR (your organization max literally gets dropped to 10), the solution was an anchor of level 10 fortresses running from sevestopol to leningrad

literally 10x the german force could do nothing to break it. basically the maginot line of russia.

is that still a thing in HOI4?

Nope, level 10 forts are expensive. 500 per level and you have to build a level 1 fort to build a level 2 fort, etc. Forts don't benefit from state infrastructure level like factories do, only construction bonuses, so I think late game to build a level 10 fort from scratch is the cost of like 4-6 military factories. So just not worth it.

I rarely build forts beyond level 4, level 2 is the normal for me.

USSR only gets temporarily nerfed now. And you can get rid of the nerf by going to war. So when I go USSR I first get 2 things of political power, justify war on Iran and Turkey (who's independence is guaranteed by Romania). Then I do the great purge. Purge ends, war starts, you beat up 3 easy nations, get more territory, lots of oil and chromium. So by 1938 I have a super soviet.
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good, it was a broken and OP strategy back then.
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Akagami_Shanks posted...

I still think it is boring as shit to watch someone else play though

The Yogscast have some pretty good Civ games on their channel(s). Rather than doing solo playthroughs, they do multiplayer maps with five or so players.
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I have a hard time with Civ because even on the slowest setting, the game is too fast-paced. I want to have to play for days before I hit the industrial revolution.
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this encirclement will be huge. Amazing what 6 soviet tanks can do!
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did you remove that? or was it a TOS violation for showing a gangbang?
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Still shows for me. It resulted in 900k Japanese deaths so probably like 80 divisions since they use big ones.
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removed for me
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I find it fun, and the only stream I really ever watched for it was TFS's playthrough of one game. It was fun cause the players were fun.
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Meh, I'll probably get Civ VI in a couple years when they have a Complete Edition like V and have it on sale
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Darkman124 posted...

did you remove that? or was it a TOS violation for showing a gangbang?

Akagami_Shanks posted...

removed for me

does that work?
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yes
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