Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1315

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I don't understand this Zelda boost though, BotW was the worst main Zelda game besides 2 AND skyward Sword

Are you willing to accept the fact that most people disagree heavily with this assessment without also insulting them?
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

red sox 777 posted...

You know, Mario might have beaten Link if we had a contest in 1997.

Well yeah, Link's true big hit was Ocarina.

But in 1997, the FF7 gang would be absolute monsters.

FFVII came out in September 1997. i don't think it would be too strong until 1998.
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Samus power hour officially over.

Ugh, Mario pulling away again. Samus needs to stall this, fast.
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KamikazePotato posted...

It's amazing how much of a buzzword 'rally' has become. Trend shifts are rallies. Cuts are rallies. Vote total spikes/drops are rallies. 53-47 victories are rallies.

the earth is rallying by rotating and making it night in parts of the world
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

BotW was the worst main Zelda game

You need to realize your opinion on BotW is in the extreme minority considering it's the best selling Zelda game, would be the highest rated if not for OoT having far less reviews to weigh it down, finally getting rid of the ALttP formula that held the series down for decades, as well as finally making Zelda an interesting character, explaining Link's muteness in an interesting way, etc.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Well, despite the confusing SJWFF affecting these result, I take solace that Tifa needed a hentai rally to win a nailbiter against MMX. I don't understand this Zelda boost though, BotW was the worst main Zelda game besides 2 AND skyward Sword

Not understaind a boost because you dislike a game?

I'm not a HGUE fan of BOTW but clearly it was insanely popular and still is the most current and relevant Zelda game to date as well as the populairty ofSwitch right now thats boosted most other Nintendo characters.

Also this is coming from a person who couldn't stop whinign about Brawl losing to MM and how Anti Brawl fans and Pro Melee fans antivoted it to stop it from winning GOTD

Brawl sucked and MM beating Brawl was the best result to happen in GFaqs contest history. WE've had bandwagons from outsiders gving Draven and Undetale Wins but nothign would have been worse than BRawl winning GOTD. Nothing. Absoliute fraud of a game that didn't even make it into the following BGE contest.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

I' sorry Zelda has been one of the sars of the tournament but lets not put her in some sort of Top 5 Elite status when she clearly isn't

How is it clear that she isn't top 5? Not only is that not clear, but its in fact likely that she is top 5.

Link/Mario/Samus are the only 3 that would be clearly favored over her at this point. Cloud/Zelda would be an interesting match and could go eitherways, but the loser would still be Top 5.

Crono/Megaman/Pikachu might be able to beat Zelda, but I would take Zelda over all 3 of them.
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KamikazePotato posted...

It's amazing how much of a buzzword 'rally' has become. Trend shifts are rallies. Cuts are rallies. Vote total spikes/drops are rallies. 53-47 victories are rallies.

People just need to get over that it's a thing and every relevant match is not going to be 100% GameFAQs decided

It's gonna be ok guys
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Xuxon posted...

_SecretSquirrel posted...

red sox 777 posted...

You know, Mario might have beaten Link if we had a contest in 1997.

Well yeah, Link's true big hit was Ocarina.

But in 1997, the FF7 gang would be absolute monsters.

FFVII came out in September 1997. i don't think it would be too strong until 1998.

Then a contest in Summer 98 would help. OoT didn't come out until November/December(Europe) of 98

Also Crono would win it all

but LttP was still very popular.
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Link versus Cloud posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

I' sorry Zelda has been one of the sars of the tournament but lets not put her in some sort of Top 5 Elite status when she clearly isn't

How is it clear that she isn't top 5? Not only is that not clear, but its in fact likely that she is top 5.

Link/Mario/Samus are the only 3 that would be clearly favored over her at this point. Cloud/Zelda would be an interesting match and could go eitherways, but the loser would still be Top 5.

Crono/Megaman/Pikachu might be able to beat Zelda, but I would take Zelda over all 3 of them.

I get your point. I didn't factor in there was one more spot.

MM isn't beating Zelda if Sonic can only muster 44% on her. Neither is Pikachu tbh. I would honestly put Pikachu/MM and SOnic on a similar level with Sonic being the weakest.

But I don't know about Crono. He could beat Zelda. He absolutely could. We'll see.
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Crono feels so weird, it'd like he sucks but doesn't really suck.

Crono vs MM/Pikachu is gonna be interesting.

Samus CUT

Comeback BACK ON

Get your Hentai's out
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As the match stands, Simon Belmont is projected to get 35.48% on Zelda. Just about 1% and change less than Squall.

Man that Div 6 had some wonky matches.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Crono feels so weird, it'd like he sucks but doesn't really suck.

Crono vs MM/Pikachu is gonna be interesting.

Maybe Alucard is that damn strong and Bowser would get more than 40% on Mario....

So hence Cloud is real #2 and Crono is real number 5.
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Underleveled posted...

As the match stands, Simon Belmont is projected to get 35.48% on Zelda. Just about 1% and change less than Squall.

Man that Div 6 had some wonky matches.

Imagine if Zelda drew Simon at Round 1 and got that result. You'd have no idea she was about to stomp on everyone's shit.
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Underleveled posted...

As the match stands, Simon Belmont is projected to get 35.48% on Zelda. Just about 1% and change less than Squall.

Man that Div 6 had some wonky matches.

Imagine if Zelda drew Simon at Round 1 and got that result. You'd have no idea she was about to stomp on everyone's shit.

"lol at people thinking a trailer will make Simon strong"

alternately replace Garrus with Simon
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Underleveled posted...

As the match stands, Simon Belmont is projected to get 35.48% on Zelda. Just about 1% and change less than Squall.

Man that Div 6 had some wonky matches.

He's in Smash. And has a respectable Franchise behind him and Alucard proved CV has some following.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Crono feels so weird, it'd like he sucks but doesn't really suck.

Crono vs MM/Pikachu is gonna be interesting.

Weird Indeed! I really thought he stood a chance against Cloud with that sprite pic. Nope, as it turns out.
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Crono did solid on Cloud, I think people just expected a lot more due to how terrible Sephiroth looked against Mario and Tifa.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I don't understand this Zelda boost though, BotW was the worst main Zelda game besides 2 AND skyward Sword

Are you willing to accept the fact that most people disagree heavily with this assessment without also insulting them?

It's not good to reply to people who are basically beyond hope and I advise everyone else to do the same.
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I think Auron's divison may be artificially boosted due to all the close matches. Seeing Geralt win a bunch of close matches gave him a bandwagon against Auron, artificially inflating that whole half-division.
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Cloud actually overperformed by 1% based on their other matches.

But regardless of that, it feels like Crono is a step above all those annoying N9 breakers (other than Zelda). Charizard is no slouch and he beat him cleanly.

If the traditional Cloud/Tifa ratio from 2005 holds up....

Crono is projected to get 62.61% on Tifa, and therefore he's projected to get 55.51% on Samus.

If the traditional Cloud/Sephiroth ratio from 2005 holds up....

Crono is projected to get 45.70% on Sephiroth, and is therefore projected to get 37.30% on Mario.

That is truly an amazing amount of change between Sephiroth and Tifa. Well, let's hope Cloud's trajectory was more like Tifa's than Sephiroth's.
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Big Bob posted...

I think Auron's divison may be artificially boosted due to all the close matches. Seeing Geralt win a bunch of close matches gave him a bandwagon against Auron, artificially inflating that whole half-division.

lol Geralt isnt bandwagon character. Bayonetta has been in smash and has 2 hugely respected games now AND she's predominantly Nintendo now. After Bayo 3 don't be surprised at her being near ELite soon. Geralt has been in one of the most Respected games of the current Gen
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Charizard is no slouch and he beat him cleanly.

Charizard vs. Terra says beating Charizard is no longer as impressive as once thought to be.
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Underleveled posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Charizard is no slouch and he beat him cleanly.

Charizard vs. Terra says beating Charizard is no longer as impressive as once thought to be.

IF only FF6 had a proper Male Lead.

and I agree on Charizard.

Basically Pokemon like Mewtwo Charizard and Squirtle are bandwagon joke characters that have vaired strength based on how many people feel like voting for them for the lolz.

Look at Squirtle>Cloud, MEwtwo> Seph and Charizard>Bowser and almost beating MM for that.
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I don't know why I wrote Charizard there, was thinking Bowser.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

I get your point. I didn't factor in there was one more spot.

NP, makes sense.

MM isn't beating Zelda if Sonic can only muster 44% on her. Neither is Pikachu tbh. I would honestly put Pikachu/MM and SOnic on a similar level with Sonic being the weakest.

But I don't know about Crono. He could beat Zelda. He absolutely could. We'll see.

We will find out a lot in the coming days, but right now I think Crono/MM/Pika/Snake are all about the same level and form the lower end of the new top 9. I'd put Tifa/X/Sonic a tier below that and then Luigi/Bowser/Kirby/Sephiroth a tier below that.

Fortunately we will get to see Crono vs MM/Pika and see if thats a tight 50-50 match or if Crono has a solid win.

Its hard to figure out where Pika/MM are right now because we don't know what to take from MM's win over Ganon. If Ganon is still on par with Bowser that puts Pika/MM on Cloud level. I'm assuming Ganon is below Bowser now + the pic issue for Ganon likely caused a MM over-performance, but there is still enough room to detract that from MM and still have be level with Crono.
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Link is top, we know that

Samus is above Mario (But will never ever beat him) but they are also close, we know that.

In other words Cloud is either above both or below both at 2 or 4, and there is no in between.

What may be in between is Crono.

Slight chance at rsff and #2 (but realistically no way), more than likely SFF as a whole. Which technically means (barring miracle Rsff) Crono could go anywhere from 3-5, and he maybe could split Samus and Mario depending on how he ends up on that slot.

Well.... at least for NN.

Because then there is Zelda and Pikachu!

Zelda could be anywhere from 2-6 overall, we know shes for sure ahead of Snake Sonic and Pikachu.

Speaking of Pikachu. Hes surely ahead of Sonic and MM, almost guaranteed to be ahead of Snake, may he ahead of Crono. But Id find it unlikely.

Then there is MegaMan. I cant imagine a situation where Pikachu is ahead of Zelda, or even Crono, but I will admit to at least the slim possibility of it. Pikachu however is definitely behind Mario, Samus and Cloud...

Then there is Snake. All alone. Probably the clear #7 NN member. But at least hes not....

Sonic and Seph. Excuse me while I cry. I wanna see these two have a match.

So, to do this the easiest way possible Im gonna rank them based off their 2002 strengths (sans cheating) and give a ceiling and floor for the characters, instead of a concrete rank yet. Zelda and Pikachu just throw too many wrenches in to try

Link Ceiling 1, floor 1
Sephiroth ceiling.... 11, fuck. Floor. Around 25
Crono ceiling 3, floor 8
Cloud ceiling 2, floor 5
Megaman ceiling 7 floor 10
Sonic ceiling 9 floor top 20
Samus ceiling 2 floor 6
Mario ceiling 2 floor 6
Snake ceiling 7, floor 10
Pikachu ceiling ceiling 6, floor 9
Zelda ceiling 2 floor 7

Yes, in the actual rankings I factored in the 1 in 10,000 chance Pikachu is stronger than Zelda somehow. Realistically her floor is 6

Mario gaining again

you have to put your hats up to Samus though. She's doing a pretty damn good job of Consolidating her postion as the #3 on this site and not being absolutely bummed by Mario by SFF like in the Past.

Though that coudl be down to Female characters getting mroe respect against the Males hence why Tifa Stunned Seph.

As for Zelda/Sonic...has Sonic won a Single Update in this match? This is really pathetic by the Blue Hedgehog. Give us a Cut or something.

At least MM and Snake made it 50/50 for long periods of the match to show some form of N9 Bravery. This is just straight up Bending over.

And I don't know if anyone answered my previous post an hour ago but I'm guessing this IS the biggest MArgin of Victory between a N9 and a non N9 ever in a 1v1 Format.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Advokaiser posted...

You know what would be even more epic than Mario vs. Sonic?

Samus vs. Zelda.

It would certainly be the more interesting match. Mario/Sonic would have been a HUGE match before 2002-2005 when it looked like Sonic actually had the chops to make it epic. Once Mario rolled through the 2005 bracket, it was over (and the disparity between them has probably just grown over time). I disagree with it even as a historical clash of 90s icons because it will immediately fall flat once Mario stabilizes at the 63ish percent we all figure he'll get.

Zelda/Samus is actually very interesting. Hell, Zelda/Mario too.

Is it Zelda who is only mustering 56% on Sonic. Mario can get 60+ on SOnic most likely and probably Samus too.

I' sorry Zelda has been one of the sars of the tournament but lets not put her in some sort of Top 5 Elite status when she clearly isn't. She wouldn't have a chance against Mario or Samus.

Lets put her up against Snake again or Cloud. Or even Crono.

Troll.EXE seems to be glitching out.
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Ride the Zelda bandwagon, Link/Zelda final here we go.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

And I don't know if anyone answered my previous post an hour ago but I'm guessing this IS the biggest MArgin of Victory between a N9 and a non N9 ever in a 1v1 Format.

Going by percentage, sum up the margins of victory for all 1v1 non-Noble Nine victories over a Noble Nine member. Double that number. This is still less than what Zelda is beating Sonic by.
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Tumblr banning porn has all the hentai enthusiasts flocking to the last hentai stronghold on the internet: GameFAQs.
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Not_Wylvane posted...

Ride the Zelda bandwagon, Link/Zelda final here we go.

Link SFFs her into oblivion and makes the x stats look even more silly
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Advokaiser posted...

You know what would be even more epic than Mario vs. Sonic?

Samus vs. Zelda.

No that would be an easy Samus win

Samus is doing this to MARIO. She has no SFF worry over Zelda and she's just indirectly stronger period.

Zelda barely beating weak Snake and getting 45% on Sonic isn't an indication she'll do anythign against Samus

Lets not get carried away

Samus and Mario are the 2 and 3 on this site. No question about that.

Why is every post you make some aggressive assesment where act like other people are stupid for not having your opinion?

I thought that's how the Internet works.
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KamikazePotato posted...

It's amazing how much of a buzzword 'rally' has become. Trend shifts are rallies. Cuts are rallies. Vote total spikes/drops are rallies. 53-47 victories are rallies.

Draven/Undertale PTSD
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3 boring rematches incoming. Really wish Allen made it so the loser's would be added to the loser's bracket inverse.

Edit: Well, maybe not MM/Pikachu.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

there's no reason why Mario/Samus can't threaten Link, at least in a Finals rematch.

Buwahahahaaha. I want what youre smoking man.

This could all be crazy talk, but I'm envisioning something like this:

Mario will likely go to the winner's finals against Link, where he will lose. Meanwhile, Samus is cleaning up the loser's bracket and the loser's finals will be a Mario-Samus rematch. At this point, I think Samus will very likely win since people want to see someone else challenge Link since there's no point sending Mario there again.

On a normal day, Link will probably win a Samus vs Link match, but will it really be a 60-40 SFF beating? Samus got 42% on Link in 2003, while Samus got 40% on Mario in 2005. We've seen Samus improve 8% against Mario this year and we've seen how well Super Metroid held up to Majora's Mask, so it wouldn't surprise me if Link-Samus is normally a 55-45 affair nowadays. Couple with the fact that Samus should be getting a bandwagon and people antivoting Link and I can see the final match being a lot closer than we'd expect.

Again, could be all crazy talk and Link can 60-40 everyone so who knows.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

So why isn't Mario SFFing Samus this time around despite Odyssey behind him? Samus has had literally zero reason to boost.

Based on Tifa vs Sephiroth, Mario is still SFFing Samus. It just isn't nearly as bad as it was in 2005. It seems like users just aren't as willing to fall in line as they used to. While Link still put the hurt on Ganondorf, it wasn't anything like their 2004 match.
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The Owner of FF9 posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Advokaiser posted...

You know what would be even more epic than Mario vs. Sonic?

Samus vs. Zelda.

No that would be an easy Samus win

Samus is doing this to MARIO. She has no SFF worry over Zelda and she's just indirectly stronger period.

Zelda barely beating weak Snake and getting 45% on Sonic isn't an indication she'll do anythign against Samus

Lets not get carried away

Samus and Mario are the 2 and 3 on this site. No question about that.

Why is every post you make some aggressive assesment where act like other people are stupid for not having your opinion?

I thought that's how the Internet works.

If it was aggressive I apologise. Im not saying anyone elses is stupid. But realistically 1-3 are safe imo. Between cloud snake and Zelda. We could be anywhere.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

So why isn't Mario SFFing Samus this time around despite Odyssey behind him? Samus has had literally zero reason to boost.

Based on Tifa vs Sephiroth, Mario is still SFFing Samus. It just isn't nearly as bad as it was in 2005. It seems like users just aren't as willing to fall in line as they used to. While Link still put the hurt on Ganondorf, it wasn't anything like their 2004 match.

I think female power in general has to be factored in as well.

Why is Zelda and tifa all of a sudden so strong now?

Female characters are more respected than 15 years ago when he site was still full of sexist nerds.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

So why isn't Mario SFFing Samus this time around despite Odyssey behind him? Samus has had literally zero reason to boost.

We've lost so much votals since 2005, and I think the remaining base is much more likely to be the ones that would stick by Samus in spite of the Nintendo heiarchy.

It's the same thing that happened to Seph against Tifa, except that Mario is lucky that he was still able to assert enough power to avoid the result to flip.
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Zelda should not be beating Sonic. Since when do so many people like her? She's almost never involved in the LOZ games in a meaningful way. She's always just there. Must have been a pretty big supporting character in BOTW because what the hell

squexa posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

there's no reason why Mario/Samus can't threaten Link, at least in a Finals rematch.

Buwahahahaaha. I want what youre smoking man.

This could all be crazy talk, but I'm envisioning something like this:

Mario will likely go to the winner's finals against Link, where he will lose. Meanwhile, Samus is cleaning up the loser's bracket and the loser's finals will be a Mario-Samus rematch. At this point, I think Samus will very likely win since people want to see someone else challenge Link since there's no point sending Mario there again.

On a normal day, Link will probably win a Samus vs Link match, but will it really be a 60-40 SFF beating? Samus got 42% on Link in 2003, while Samus got 40% on Mario in 2005. We've seen Samus improve 8% against Mario this year and we've seen how well Super Metroid held up to Majora's Mask, so it wouldn't surprise me if Link-Samus is normally a 55-45 affair nowadays. Couple with the fact that Samus should be getting a bandwagon and people antivoting Link and I can see the final match being a lot closer than we'd expect.

Again, could be all crazy talk and Link can 60-40 everyone so who knows.

It is crazy talk because youre using data from years that arent relevant and games that arent relevant. super Metroid is probably samus strongest game or one of her strongest games (probably flip between prime and super). MM would most likely get doubled by OOT.

My point is theres no such thing as people wanting someone else to win because theyre sick of the same people winning

Mario most likely beats Samus again.

And Link isnt going to be anti voted to such an extent that he lets Samus get more than 40 on him.

Lets not talk about things that simply wont happen.

What we want is cloud vs Mario/Samus and Zelda vs cloud and MM vs crono or crono v pikachu etcc. Thats the real interest of this contest.

Not to see who can break 40% on Link

Tbh only Cloud can. And even then thats being hopeful.
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

So why isn't Mario SFFing Samus this time around despite Odyssey behind him? Samus has had literally zero reason to boost.

We've lost so much votals since 2005, and I think the remaining base is much more likely to be the ones that would stick by Samus in spite of the Nintendo heiarchy.

It's the same thing that happened to Seph against Tifa, except that Mario is lucky that he was still able to assert enough power to avoid the result to flip.

And hes had Odyssey

Honestly if Odyssey didnt exist....hed probably lose this.

And I mentioned this an hour ago but right now most of the sites traffic is towards the switch board and smash board.

More smash fans= more neutral view on the hierarchy.
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