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pinky0926 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Maybe if you weren't so concerned about consuming weed in large amounts you'd be able to comprehend that post....wait, now I sound like Im against weed.

huh?

Ok I think I'm missing a trick, probably because I made the mistake of assuming the content of the video without watching it.

I assumed Joe Rogan, being the massive stoner pseudo intellectual that he is, would be arguing on the side of "nah man weed isn't addictive it's been proven by science". Is that not the case?

I didn't watch it either and assume the same. This has nothing to do with your first post coming off as elitist talk
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it definitely is
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nobody is sucking dick for their weed addiction

nobody is going homeless for their weed addiction

nobody is begging, robbing, and stealing for their weed addiction

and if they are they clearly have other problems lol

i cant believe people still argue about this jeez louise
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SSJCAT posted...

nobody is sucking dick for their weed addiction

nobody is going homeless for their weed addiction

nobody is begging, robbing, and stealing for their weed addiction

and if they are they clearly have other problems lol

i cant believe people still argue about this jeez louise

Just because it isn't as serious doesn't mean it isn't serious, or an addiction.

OctilIery posted...

SSJCAT posted...

nobody is sucking dick for their weed addiction

nobody is going homeless for their weed addiction

nobody is begging, robbing, and stealing for their weed addiction

and if they are they clearly have other problems lol

i cant believe people still argue about this jeez louise

Just because it isn't as serious doesn't mean it isn't serious, or an addiction.

and i wont suffer from physical withdrawals if i stop smoking either

please give me any evidence you have that weed is addictive
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

I didn't watch it either and assume the same. This has nothing to do with your first post coming off as elitist talk

My basic point is that Joe Rogan is your classic "smokes all the damn time, thinks he's super intellectual and will defend weed to the death at every turn" kinda guy. And it's funny to me because he's always got a joint in his mouth. You can relax, I'm just laughing at an obvious uber stoner being somewhat ironic.

Anyway, my two cents

Anything can be addictive, especially a something that can be done habitually and that people can use as a crutch or coping mechanism. Whether weed has the chemical properties that make it biologically dependable doesn't even matter. I know plenty of people who say "I wish I smoked less" but keep smoking lots anyway. Hell a good friend of mine told me this yesterday. She wished she didn't smoke so much pot, because she thinks it affects her anxiety and memory in a negative way, it costs too much money and it makes her lazy. But there she is, doing 4 joints a day minimum.

Continuing to do something you've already said you don't want to keep doing because you've identified that personally it's not a good habit to maintain = you have an addiction problem.

Weird that so many stoners are defensive about this. Maybe because for so long they've had to convince people that pot isn't evil, they've forgotten that that doesn't mean it's entirely harmless either.
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anyone can be addicted to anything, but that's on the person, especially if they have some kind of chronic addictive tendencies

does pot have any actual addictive properties? i don't know, i don't think so.
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SSJCAT posted...

OctilIery posted...

SSJCAT posted...

nobody is sucking dick for their weed addiction

nobody is going homeless for their weed addiction

nobody is begging, robbing, and stealing for their weed addiction

and if they are they clearly have other problems lol

i cant believe people still argue about this jeez louise

Just because it isn't as serious doesn't mean it isn't serious, or an addiction.

and i wont suffer from physical withdrawals if i stop smoking either

please give me any evidence you have that weed is addictive

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=marijuana+addiction+effects&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

I'll just go with that. It isn't physically addictive, but mentally it definitely is, and it has distinct withdrawl.

SSJCAT posted...

nobody is sucking dick for their weed addiction

nobody is going homeless for their weed addiction

nobody is begging, robbing, and stealing for their weed addiction

yes they are.
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

anyone can be addicted to anything, but that's on the person, especially if they have some kind of chronic addictive tendencies

does pot have any actual addictive properties? i don't know, i don't think so.

Yes. Long term use can create definite cravings, and it has distinct withdrawl symptoms.

seasoned pot smokers dont even have appetites without smoking lol. surely that counts as "physical"
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I probably smoke more weed and am more addicted to it than anyone itt. ask me anything
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a-c-a-b posted...

I think it is. Just because the level of addiction isn't as severe as harder drugs doesn't mean it's not addictive.

I always find it funny that most people who claim pot isn't addictive are the ones that smoke it every chance they get.

I have nothing against potheads. I'm just saying.

I agree
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pinky0926 posted...

Continuing to do something you've already said you don't want to keep doing because you've identified that personally it's not a good habit to maintain = you have an addiction problem

I agree with your entire post but that's not the argument in this topic. We aren't saying there are no addictive tendencies tied to it. Most of us are just arguing that there is no physical withdrawal like there is with pretty much every other thing that qualifies as a drug. Which I have extensive experience in with both types of addiction. Im on medication at this very moment that will make me all types of fucked up if I go cold turkey. When I stop smoking again it's not gonna prevent me from living my life.
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ive never had any withdrawals when i stopped smoking and ive been smoking weed for over 12 years.

sure sometimes i would want it, but thats not addiction
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SSJCAT posted...

ive never had any withdrawals when i stopped smoking and ive been smoking weed for over 12 years.

sure sometimes i would want it, but thats not addiction

I'm sure your anecdotal evidence matters here.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Continuing to do something you've already said you don't want to keep doing because you've identified that personally it's not a good habit to maintain = you have an addiction problem

I agree with your entire post but that's not the argument in this topic. We aren't saying there are no addictive tendencies tied to it. Most of us are just arguing that there is no physical withdrawal like there is with pretty much every other thing that qualifies as a drug. Which I have extensive experience in with both types of addiction. Im on medication at this very moment that will make me all types of fucked up if I go cold turkey. When I stop smoking again it's not gonna prevent me from living my life.

If someone tries to stop smoking and then they spend the next couple of days thinking about smoking again nonstop and they want to do it desperately, how is that not withdrawal?
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Ok, Im noticing everyone is morphing this topic into pretending everyone is arguing pot isn't addictive at all so they can pretend they're winning an argument. Im out.
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OctilIery posted...

SSJCAT posted...

ive never had any withdrawals when i stopped smoking and ive been smoking weed for over 12 years.

sure sometimes i would want it, but thats not addiction

I'm sure your anecdotal evidence matters here.

how is it anecdotal. this is what we are arguing about.

and i used to be a heroin addict i know what addiction and withdrawal is
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Continuing to do something you've already said you don't want to keep doing because you've identified that personally it's not a good habit to maintain = you have an addiction problem

I agree with your entire post but that's not the argument in this topic. We aren't saying there are no addictive tendencies tied to it. Most of us are just arguing that there is no physical withdrawal like there is with pretty much every other thing that qualifies as a drug. Which I have extensive experience in with both types of addiction. Im on medication at this very moment that will make me all types of fucked up if I go cold turkey. When I stop smoking again it's not gonna prevent me from living my life.

My point is that some stoners like to die on the "pot isn't physically addictive to you so there's no problem" hill while never addressing that they might actually have a psychological dependency.

It's always been dumb to me.
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obviously people can form habits out of anything.

weed isnt physically addictive
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SSJCAT posted...

OctilIery posted...

SSJCAT posted...

ive never had any withdrawals when i stopped smoking and ive been smoking weed for over 12 years.

sure sometimes i would want it, but thats not addiction

I'm sure your anecdotal evidence matters here.

how is it anecdotal. this is what we are arguing about.

and i used to be a heroin addict i know what addiction and withdrawal is

Do you not know what anecdotal means? Let me help you.

anecdotal
/ankddl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal

(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
"while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"

Your individual story is not evidence for this discussion.

SSJCAT posted...

and i used to be a heroin addict i know what addiction and withdrawal is

See, you know even better than me what actual physical addiction is. Everything I had withdrawals from are probably a class under that. And those were fuckin intense.
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OctilIery posted...

SSJCAT posted...

OctilIery posted...

SSJCAT posted...

ive never had any withdrawals when i stopped smoking and ive been smoking weed for over 12 years.

sure sometimes i would want it, but thats not addiction

I'm sure your anecdotal evidence matters here.

how is it anecdotal. this is what we are arguing about.

and i used to be a heroin addict i know what addiction and withdrawal is

Do you not know what anecdotal means? Let me help you.

anecdotal
/ankddl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal

(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
"while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"

Your individual story is not evidence for this discussion.

He said he has experience with addiction, so I think he can tell when he is and isnt addicted to something. You couldve worded your post in a less condescending and antagonistic way
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pinky0926 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Continuing to do something you've already said you don't want to keep doing because you've identified that personally it's not a good habit to maintain = you have an addiction problem

I agree with your entire post but that's not the argument in this topic. We aren't saying there are no addictive tendencies tied to it. Most of us are just arguing that there is no physical withdrawal like there is with pretty much every other thing that qualifies as a drug. Which I have extensive experience in with both types of addiction. Im on medication at this very moment that will make me all types of fucked up if I go cold turkey. When I stop smoking again it's not gonna prevent me from living my life.

My point is that some stoners like to die on the "pot isn't physically addictive to you so there's no problem" hill while never addressing that they might actually have a psychological dependency.

It's always been dumb to me.

I know a lot do. But that wasn't the argument in this topic. Everyone shifted the argument on me. It's exhausting that instead of arguing a side, now Im just trying to correct everyone on what the actual argument was in the 1st place. I can't be too mad though cause I generalize all the time and do the same thing to people.
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YookaLaylee posted...

OctilIery posted...

SSJCAT posted...

OctilIery posted...

SSJCAT posted...

ive never had any withdrawals when i stopped smoking and ive been smoking weed for over 12 years.

sure sometimes i would want it, but thats not addiction

I'm sure your anecdotal evidence matters here.

how is it anecdotal. this is what we are arguing about.

and i used to be a heroin addict i know what addiction and withdrawal is

Do you not know what anecdotal means? Let me help you.

anecdotal
/ankddl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal

(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
"while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"

Your individual story is not evidence for this discussion.

He said he has experience with addiction, so I think he can tell when he is and isnt addicted to something. You couldve worded your post in a less condescending and antagonistic way

Well first off, no, having experience doesn't necissarily make you the best judge of your own addiction. Second off, he's using that anecdotal evidence to argue that it isn't addictive, which is objectively wrong.

Can we just stop acknowledging Octillery. He still doesn't understand what the argument is lol
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Im saying that in this instance his anecdotal evidence might have validity
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Continuing to do something you've already said you don't want to keep doing because you've identified that personally it's not a good habit to maintain = you have an addiction problem

I agree with your entire post but that's not the argument in this topic. We aren't saying there are no addictive tendencies tied to it. Most of us are just arguing that there is no physical withdrawal like there is with pretty much every other thing that qualifies as a drug. Which I have extensive experience in with both types of addiction. Im on medication at this very moment that will make me all types of fucked up if I go cold turkey. When I stop smoking again it's not gonna prevent me from living my life.

My point is that some stoners like to die on the "pot isn't physically addictive to you so there's no problem" hill while never addressing that they might actually have a psychological dependency.

It's always been dumb to me.

I know a lot do. But that wasn't the argument in this topic. Everyone shifted the argument on me. It's exhausting that instead of arguing a side, now Im just trying to correct everyone on what the actual argument was in the 1st place. I can't be too mad though cause I generalize all the time and do the same thing to people.

I wasn't arguing with you at all man, I was addressing the primary questione of this topic.
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its not physically addictive!!!!!! rawr jeez louise. yall need to forget your d.a.r.e. lessons already.

anyones anecdotal evidence about friends who couldnt quit are just lacking in self control and are probably trying to medicate some other problem
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SSJCAT posted...

ive never had any withdrawals when i stopped smoking and ive been smoking weed for over 12 years.

sure sometimes i would want it, but thats not addiction

If I go at least a day without getting high my stomach starts hurting, I get irrationally irritable and I'm overcome with a drowning sense of apathy...

this get worse at least for a couple days until whenever I smoke next. never had these problems prior to weed lol.
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YookaLaylee posted...

Im saying that in this instance his anecdotal evidence might have validity

It does. And it's not anecdotal cause I been using my experience since the first page lol. Anyone with experience in drugs with physical addiction will shake their heads at anyone claiming weed is anywhere near the same level or as physically addictive. No one here is denying there is a mental component
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God_Of_Entirety posted...

SSJCAT posted...

ive never had any withdrawals when i stopped smoking and ive been smoking weed for over 12 years.

sure sometimes i would want it, but thats not addiction

If I go at least a day without getting high my stomach starts hurting, I get irrationally irritable and I'm overcome with a drowning sense of apathy...

this get worse at least for a couple days until whenever I smoke next. never had these problems prior to weed lol.

Now this is anecdotal. When did you start and first try stopping?
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uhh it depends on if I run out of money.
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we need to divide the people who smoke weed from the people who SMOKE WEED. cause it's not the same.
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God_Of_Entirety posted...

uhh it depends on if I run out of money.

Im saying, is it possible you actually have something medical going on that you just didn't notice because weed was acting as a medication? Cause I never heard anyone else say this and Im interested
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

God_Of_Entirety posted...

uhh it depends on if I run out of money.

Im saying, is it possible you actually have something medical going on that you just didn't notice because weed was acting as a medication? Cause I never heard anyone else say this and Im interested

I'm pretty sure I have a million issues that I'm pacifying with weed yeah.
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most people I know who are addicted to weed are lowkey depressed, for what it's worth.
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God_Of_Entirety posted...

most people I know who are addicted to weed are lowkey depressed, for what it's worth.

there you go dawg their withdrawals are their depression coming back
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God_Of_Entirety posted...

most people I know who are addicted to weed are lowkey depressed, for what it's worth.

Most people here who don't smoke weed are also depressed. I don't think it's fair to tie depression with weed.
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SSJCAT posted...

God_Of_Entirety posted...

most people I know who are addicted to weed are lowkey depressed, for what it's worth.

there you go dawg their withdrawals are their depression coming back

It's kind of a circular argument to me, I believe anyone that gets high on a regular basis is doing it not for fun but for comfort. I refuse to believe there are heavy pot smokers that are perfectly happy sober.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

God_Of_Entirety posted...

most people I know who are addicted to weed are lowkey depressed, for what it's worth.

Most people here who don't smoke weed are also depressed. I don't think it's fair to tie depression with weed.

I'm talking about me and the people I know, also a lot of people just don't like smoking anyway. whoever here that is depressed, uses something else in substitute of weed
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God_Of_Entirety posted...

I refuse to believe there are heavy pot smokers that are perfectly happy sober

It's a lot easier if their routine changes when they quit. When you quit anything and do the same exact things you're bound to feel like something is missing. A lot of times I don't drink caffeine after the morning. But when I game I instantly want caffeine cause I related those 2 things way back. You gotta separate normal habits and things specifically tied to weed.
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this is true
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Orthopox12 posted...

No but you can be habitual and lead to people creating a psychological dependance.

Which is a pretty fine distinction tbh.
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The thing about withdrawals is that they're really long term when it comes to weed. People will generally notice within a day withdrawals from tobacco, alcohol, or stuff like heroin. THC withdrawal symptoms tend to manifest around a month after going cold turkey and are really subtle.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

The thing about withdrawals is that they're really long term when it comes to weed. People will generally notice within a day withdrawals from tobacco, alcohol, or stuff like heroin. THC withdrawal symptoms tend to manifest around a month after going cold turkey and are really subtle.

yessss
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Yes just from observing my girlfriend.

It made her dumber and it resulted in shitty college decisions/low GPA.
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EpicKingdom_ posted...

Yes just from observing my girlfriend.

It made her dumber and it resulted in s***ty college decisions/low GPA.

Sounds like a burnout
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