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Nuffinz0rz 12/26/18 3:55:03 PM #1:	https://www.npr.org/2018/12/26/679833767/utah-first-in-the-nation-to-lower-its-dui-limit-to-05-percent In 1983, Utah was the first state to lower its blood alcohol limit from 0.10 to 0.08 for impaired driving. It would take nearly two decades for every state to follow suit, but as they did, the nation's rate of alcohol-related traffic deaths dropped 10 percent. Now, Utah is pioneering the move to lower it once again. Beginning Dec. 30 yes, the day before New Year's Eve Utahns will have to be extra careful about drinking and driving. On Sunday, the state's blood alcohol content limit will drop from 0.08 percent to 0.05 percent, marking the strictest DUI law in the country. To give you an idea of the difference in consumption, for a man weighing 180 pounds, it takes about four drinks to reach a BAC of 0.08 percent, according to the American Beverage Institute. But to reach .05, it's about half as many drinks and can be even fewer for women. The current limit of .08 is "a significant amount of drinking" for a lot of people, says Utah state Rep. Norm Thurston, a Republican. Thurston sponsored the bill to lower the limit in 2017 at the request of the National Transportation Safety Board, which has been urging states to lower DUI limits to 0.05 since 2013. Thurston says he believes the new limit will save lives because it sends a strict message to anyone who has been drinking not to get behind the wheel. "You would think that we're already there as a society," but Thurston says he meets a lot of people who say they think it's safe to drink and drive, "just a little bit." Critics slammed the Republican, a practicing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for running the bill. The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons. The American Beverage Institute, an alcohol trade organization, has been a vocal critic of the law. Spokesman Jackson Shedelbower says he doesn't believe the change will save lives. The lower limit targets social, moderate drinkers, not "legitimately drunk drivers," he says. "Nearly 70 percent of alcohol-related fatalities in this country are caused by someone with ... a BAC of 0.15 and above," Shedlbower says, three times the new limit in Utah. So, will drunk driving arrests in Utah increase starting Dec. 30? Probably not, says Sgt. Nick Street with the Utah Highway Patrol. "Troopers and officers throughout the state should already be arresting based on impairment, not based on a per se limit, and that standard is not going to change," he says. Street says he believes the law has already changed drivers' behaviors, even though it hasn't taken effect yet. "I think people are making better decisions on the front end of a night," by using ride-hailing apps or choosing designated drivers. --- https://imgur.com/SyAXs2q <cite>Nuffinz0rz posted [p:914738766] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>https://www.npr.org/2018/12/26/679833767/utah-first-in-the-nation-to-lower-its-dui-limit-to-05-percent <quote>In 1983, Utah was the first state to lower its blood alcohol limit from 0.10 to 0.08 for impaired driving. It would take nearly two decades for every state to follow suit, but as they did, the nation's rate of alcohol-related traffic deaths dropped 10 percent. Now, Utah is pioneering the move to lower it once again. Beginning Dec. 30 yes, the day before New Year's Eve Utahns will have to be extra careful about drinking and driving. On Sunday, the state's blood alcohol content limit will drop from 0.08 percent to 0.05 percent, marking the strictest DUI law in the country. To give you an idea of the difference in consumption, for a man weighing 180 pounds, it takes about four drinks to reach a BAC of 0.08 percent, according to the American Beverage Institute. But to reach .05, it's about half as many drinks and can be even fewer for women. The current limit of .08 is "a significant amount of drinking" for a lot of people, says Utah state Rep. Norm Thurston, a Republican. Thurston sponsored the bill to lower the limit in 2017 at the request of the National Transportation Safety Board, which has been urging states to lower DUI limits to 0.05 since 2013. Thurston says he believes the new limit will save lives because it sends a strict message to anyone who has been drinking not to get behind the wheel. "You would think that we're already there as a society," but Thurston says he meets a lot of people who say they think it's safe to drink and drive, "just a little bit." Critics slammed the Republican, a practicing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for running the bill. The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons. The American Beverage Institute, an alcohol trade organization, has been a vocal critic of the law. Spokesman Jackson Shedelbower says he doesn't believe the change will save lives. The lower limit targets social, moderate drinkers, not "legitimately drunk drivers," he says. "Nearly 70 percent of alcohol-related fatalities in this country are caused by someone with ... a BAC of 0.15 and above," Shedlbower says, three times the new limit in Utah. So, will drunk driving arrests in Utah increase starting Dec. 30? Probably not, says Sgt. Nick Street with the Utah Highway Patrol. "Troopers and officers throughout the state should already be arresting based on impairment, not based on a per se limit, and that standard is not going to change," he says. Street says he believes the law has already changed drivers' behaviors, even though it hasn't taken effect yet. "I think people are making better decisions on the front end of a night," by using ride-hailing apps or choosing designated drivers.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/26/18 3:56:23 PM #2:	Good. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:914738822] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>Good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 12/26/18 3:59:06 PM #3:	How are they even gonna catch someone with a .05? Will that driver be impaired enough for an officer to even notice? --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:914738950] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>How are they even gonna catch someone with a .05? Will that driver be impaired enough for an officer to even notice?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AbstraktProfSC2 12/26/18 4:00:16 PM #4:	probably because I live in the state but this news is like 10 months old at least go to jail and get $10,000 in fines + probation and alcohol classes just because you have 1 glass of wine for xmas that doesnt even impair you noticeably --- Talk about backseat fishing. highpathetic <cite>AbstraktProfSC2 posted [p:914739008] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>probably because I live in the state but this news is like 10 months old at least go to jail and get $10,000 in fines + probation and alcohol classes just because you have 1 glass of wine for xmas that doesnt even impair you noticeably</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I is smart 12/26/18 4:08:32 PM #6:	AbstraktProfSC2 posted... probably because I live in the state but this news is like 10 months old at least go to jail and get $10,000 in fines + probation and alcohol classes just because you have 1 glass of wine for xmas that doesnt even impair you noticeably If it doesn't impair you noticeably you wouldn't get pulled over in the first place. At the very least they won't test your BAC if it wasn't for erratic driving. --- Tah-rah-rah-boom-dee-aaay, did you get yours todaaay? I got mine yesterdaaay, that's why I walk this way. i.imgur.com/FoxGIbC.jpg <cite>I is smart posted [p:914739374] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>AbstraktProfSC2 posted...</cite> <quote>probably because I live in the state but this news is like 10 months old at least go to jail and get $10,000 in fines + probation and alcohol classes just because you have 1 glass of wine for xmas that doesnt even impair you noticeably</quote> If it doesn't impair you noticeably you wouldn't get pulled over in the first place. At the very least they won't test your BAC if it wasn't for erratic driving.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 12/26/18 4:11:07 PM #7:	A_Good_Boy posted... How are they even gonna catch someone with a .05? Will that driver be impaired enough for an officer to even notice? If they aren't, then they might not be too drunk to drive anyway. The purpose of the limit isn't so much to pin down a specific number that is universally the threshold between sober and drunk (since that's not really possible), it's mainly so that if you're driving like an idiot and the police pull you over, they have something to point to to prove you were too fucked up to be driving. --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:914739481] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote>How are they even gonna catch someone with a .05? Will that driver be impaired enough for an officer to even notice?</quote> If they aren't, then they might not be too drunk to drive anyway. The purpose of the limit isn't so much to pin down a specific number that is universally the threshold between sober and drunk (since that's not really possible), it's mainly so that if you're driving like an idiot and the police pull you over, they have something to point to to prove you were too fucked up to be driving.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 12/26/18 4:20:47 PM #8:	This isn't a good thing --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:914739901] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>This isn't a good thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/26/18 4:25:50 PM #9:	A_Good_Boy posted... How are they even gonna catch someone with a .05? Will that driver be impaired enough for an officer to even notice? Literally every single arrest will have resulted from someone being pulled over for something else initially. Literally every single one. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:914740105] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote>How are they even gonna catch someone with a .05? Will that driver be impaired enough for an officer to even notice?</quote> Literally every single arrest will have resulted from someone being pulled over for something else initially. Literally every single one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Daffadilio 12/26/18 4:38:01 PM #10:	Im so glad to be out of Utah. This was starting to be pushed right as I left about 1.5 yrs ago. I knew more people with DUIs than not out there, the cops were already overzealous with the breathalyzers, I was asked to blow into one in the middle of the day when I was pulled over for using a carpool/HOV freeway entrance (just me in the car) but I dont see why that would be an indication I had been drinking. Terrible law. --- You remind me of the times when I knew who I was... <cite>Daffadilio posted [p:914740584] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>Im so glad to be out of Utah. This was starting to be pushed right as I left about 1.5 yrs ago. I knew more people with DUIs than not out there, the cops were already overzealous with the breathalyzers, I was asked to blow into one in the middle of the day when I was pulled over for using a carpool/HOV freeway entrance (just me in the car) but I dont see why that would be an indication I had been drinking. Terrible law.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 12/26/18 4:39:58 PM #11:	DUI limit needs to be any Alcohol level that is > 0.0. Either Drink or (Drive / Operate Heavy Machinery / do something that might be dangerous to you or others) --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:914740670] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>DUI limit needs to be any Alcohol level that is > 0.0. Either Drink or (Drive / Operate Heavy Machinery / do something that might be dangerous to you or others)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 12/26/18 4:40:47 PM #12:	Sweet, now I can get arrested for DUI after using some Listerine or DayQuil before I get in my car. Fuck Utah. I though Missouri (where I live) was a joke state. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:914740695] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>Sweet, now I can get arrested for DUI after using some Listerine or DayQuil before I get in my car. Fuck Utah. I though Missouri (where I live) was a joke state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 12/26/18 4:41:49 PM #13:	Dont drive like an asshole after your glass of wine and there will be no problems. --- https://youtu.be/jGbI0P4hh3o <cite>Chicken posted [p:914740731] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>Dont drive like an asshole after your glass of wine and there will be no problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 12/26/18 4:45:50 PM #14:	This will never happen in my state --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:914740894] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>This will never happen in my state</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 12/26/18 4:46:16 PM #15:	KamenRiderBlade posted... DUI limit needs to be any Alcohol level that is > 0.0. Either Drink or (Drive / Operate Heavy Machinery / do something that might be dangerous to you or others) This is just silly and impractical. Most people experience almost no impairment to coordination at less than .03 - .04% BAC. Other factors, like driving home after a long day at work, are more impactful than alcohol at those levels. --- So I'm (not real) and I won't call you _//\|-\|\\_ And I want to talk about mature themes \|\|\|daily\|\|\| -> http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 \//\|'\|\\/ <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:914740908] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>DUI limit needs to be any Alcohol level that is > 0.0. Either Drink or (Drive / Operate Heavy Machinery / do something that might be dangerous to you or others)</quote> This is just silly and impractical. Most people experience almost no impairment to coordination at less than .03 - .04% BAC. Other factors, like driving home after a long day at work, are more impactful than alcohol at those levels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PIITB415 12/26/18 4:47:33 PM #17:	Pogo_Marimo posted... KamenRiderBlade posted... DUI limit needs to be any Alcohol level that is > 0.0. Either Drink or (Drive / Operate Heavy Machinery / do something that might be dangerous to you or others) This is just silly and impractical. Most people experience almost no impairment to coordination at less than .03 - .04% BAC. Other factors, like driving home after a long day at work, are more impactful than alcohol at those levels. Plus there are medications that can cause impairments far greater than the BAC limits --- https://imgur.com/VawbBVM https://imgur.com/6Si4h <cite>PIITB415 posted [p:914740966] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pogo_Marimo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>DUI limit needs to be any Alcohol level that is > 0.0. Either Drink or (Drive / Operate Heavy Machinery / do something that might be dangerous to you or others)</quote> This is just silly and impractical. Most people experience almost no impairment to coordination at less than .03 - .04% BAC. Other factors, like driving home after a long day at work, are more impactful than alcohol at those levels.</quote> Plus there are medications that can cause impairments far greater than the BAC limits</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/26/18 4:49:57 PM #18:	This seems kind of silly. KamenRiderBlade posted... DUI limit needs to be any Alcohol level that is > 0.0. Either Drink or (Drive / Operate Heavy Machinery / do something that might be dangerous to you or others) So taking cough medicine or swishing mouthwash should get you a DUI? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:914741079] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>This seems kind of silly. <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>DUI limit needs to be any Alcohol level that is > 0.0. Either Drink or (Drive / Operate Heavy Machinery / do something that might be dangerous to you or others)</quote> So taking cough medicine or swishing mouthwash should get you a DUI?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 12/26/18 4:50:40 PM #19:	given how strict the alcohol laws in Utah already are, this really just feels like a way for Mormons to enforce their beliefs on others <cite>treewojima posted [p:914741103] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>given how strict the alcohol laws in Utah already are, this really just feels like a way for Mormons to enforce their beliefs on others</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 12/26/18 4:53:53 PM #20:	ScazarMeltex posted... Sweet, now I can get arrested for DUI after using some Listerine or DayQuil before I get in my car. Fuck Utah. I though Missouri (where I live) was a joke state. That's impossible --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:914741238] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>Sweet, now I can get arrested for DUI after using some Listerine or DayQuil before I get in my car. Fuck Utah. I though Missouri (where I live) was a joke state.</quote> That's impossible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Atralis 12/26/18 4:57:24 PM #21:	So basically the Mormon majority is criminalizing the behavior of religious minorities. <cite>Atralis posted [p:914741394] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>So basically the Mormon majority is criminalizing the behavior of religious minorities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Daffadilio 12/26/18 5:00:45 PM #22:	Future_Trunks posted... Daffadilio posted... Im so glad to be out of Utah. This was starting to be pushed right as I left about 1.5 yrs ago. I knew more people with DUIs than not out there, the cops were already overzealous with the breathalyzers, I was asked to blow into one in the middle of the day when I was pulled over for using a carpool/HOV freeway entrance (just me in the car) but I dont see why that would be an indication I had been drinking. Terrible law. Dont break the laws It may sound silly, but it was accidental. Even if it werent, I shouldnt end up with a whole DUI on my record (which in UT gets your drivers license taken away for a year min) just because I made a mistake and happened to have a glass of wine with lunch, which would be unrelated to why I made the mistake. --- You remind me of the times when I knew who I was... <cite>Daffadilio posted [p:914741522] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>Future_Trunks posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Daffadilio posted...</cite> <quote>Im so glad to be out of Utah. This was starting to be pushed right as I left about 1.5 yrs ago. I knew more people with DUIs than not out there, the cops were already overzealous with the breathalyzers, I was asked to blow into one in the middle of the day when I was pulled over for using a carpool/HOV freeway entrance (just me in the car) but I dont see why that would be an indication I had been drinking. Terrible law.</quote> Dont break the laws</quote> It may sound silly, but it was accidental. Even if it werent, I shouldnt end up with a whole DUI on my record (which in UT gets your drivers license taken away for a year min) just because I made a mistake and happened to have a glass of wine with lunch, which would be unrelated to why I made the mistake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 12/26/18 5:05:53 PM #23:	Good. I'm fucking plastered at .06 I've always thought .08 was way too lenient <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:914741707] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>Good. I'm fucking plastered at .06 I've always thought .08 was way too lenient</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/26/18 5:07:32 PM #24:	Daffadilio posted... Future_Trunks posted... Daffadilio posted... I?m so glad to be out of Utah. This was starting to be pushed right as I left about 1.5 yrs ago. I knew more people with DUI?s than not out there, the cops were already overzealous with the breathalyzers, I was asked to blow into one in the middle of the day when I was pulled over for using a carpool/HOV freeway entrance (just me in the car) but I don?t see why that would be an indication I had been drinking. Terrible law. Don?t break the laws It may sound silly, but it was accidental. Even if it weren?t, I shouldn?t end up with a whole DUI on my record (which in UT gets your drivers license taken away for a year min) just because I made a mistake and happened to have a glass of wine with lunch, which would be unrelated to why I made the mistake. People who support this are people who legitimately and honestly believe that if you take a sip of wine for communion in church in the morning and then take a drive after dinner and get hit by a plane falling out of the sky, it was your fault and the direct result of that sip of wine and no other factors were in play. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:914741774] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>Daffadilio posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Future_Trunks posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Daffadilio posted...</cite> <quote>I?m so glad to be out of Utah. This was starting to be pushed right as I left about 1.5 yrs ago. I knew more people with DUI?s than not out there, the cops were already overzealous with the breathalyzers, I was asked to blow into one in the middle of the day when I was pulled over for using a carpool/HOV freeway entrance (just me in the car) but I don?t see why that would be an indication I had been drinking. Terrible law.</quote> Don?t break the laws</quote> It may sound silly, but it was accidental. Even if it weren?t, I shouldn?t end up with a whole DUI on my record (which in UT gets your drivers license taken away for a year min) just because I made a mistake and happened to have a glass of wine with lunch, which would be unrelated to why I made the mistake.</quote> People who support this are people who legitimately and honestly believe that if you take a sip of wine for communion in church in the morning and then take a drive after dinner and get hit by a plane falling out of the sky, it was your fault and the direct result of that sip of wine and no other factors were in play.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 12/26/18 5:07:39 PM #25:	Nuffinz0rz posted... The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons. That's literally exactly what he's doing <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:914741777] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nuffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons.</quote> That's literally exactly what he's doing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/26/18 5:09:03 PM #26:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... Good. I'm fucking plastered at .06 Either you're lying, you're guessing and mistaken or whatever breathalyzer you used to determine that was faulty and giving an inaccurate reading. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:914741834] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>Good. I'm fucking plastered at .06</quote> Either you're lying, you're guessing and mistaken or whatever breathalyzer you used to determine that was faulty and giving an inaccurate reading.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thaddeus_J_Pibb 12/26/18 5:10:33 PM #27:	A_Good_Boy posted... How are they even gonna catch someone with a .05? Will that driver be impaired enough for an officer to even notice? LMFAO, when has reason and common sense ever stopped a pig from ruining someone's life? They get pulled over for something else (headlight out) and then get tested. Or random road stops. As long as they can document that the driver was technically over the limit, it does not matter if theyre actually intoxicated or not. Gotta feed the coffers. --- When little boys don't get 8 hours of sleep, their glands emit a pleasant berry smell that attracts pedophiles. <cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted [p:914741904] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote>How are they even gonna catch someone with a .05? Will that driver be impaired enough for an officer to even notice?</quote> LMFAO, when has reason and common sense ever stopped a pig from ruining someone's life? They get pulled over for something else (headlight out) and then get tested. Or random road stops. As long as they can document that the driver was technically over the limit, it does not matter if theyre actually intoxicated or not. Gotta feed the coffers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 12/26/18 5:10:47 PM #28:	NibeIungsnarf posted... Nuffinz0rz posted... The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons. That's literally exactly what he's doing so? does that mean only people who smoke weed should decide if weed should be legal or not? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:914741914] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>NibeIungsnarf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nuffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons.</quote> That's literally exactly what he's doing</quote> so? does that mean only people who smoke weed should decide if weed should be legal or not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bluezero 12/26/18 5:11:32 PM #29:	TheGoldenEel posted... This will never happen in my state This will happen next in my state. --- https://imgur.com/VleHYd3 http://steamsignature.com/card/0/76561197977989731.png <cite>bluezero posted [p:914741938] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGoldenEel posted...</cite> <quote>This will never happen in my state</quote> This will happen next in my state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/26/18 5:11:56 PM #30:	thronedfire2 posted... NibeIungsnarf posted... Nuffinz0rz posted... The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons. That's literally exactly what he's doing so? does that mean only people who smoke weed should decide if weed should be legal or not? It means "Bad cuz my god said so" is a dumbfuck way to legislate. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:914741957] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NibeIungsnarf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nuffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons.</quote> That's literally exactly what he's doing</quote> so? does that mean only people who smoke weed should decide if weed should be legal or not?</quote> It means "Bad cuz my god said so" is a dumbfuck way to legislate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 12/26/18 5:12:23 PM #31:	thronedfire2 posted... so? does that mean only people who smoke weed should decide if weed should be legal or not? Okay carpet-person <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:914741979] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote>so? does that mean only people who smoke weed should decide if weed should be legal or not?</quote> Okay carpet-person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Complete_Idi0t 12/26/18 5:12:25 PM #32:	If a beer is 5% that means you only have to drink 1/100 of a beer to be over the limit <cite>Complete_Idi0t posted [p:914741981] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>If a beer is 5% that means you only have to drink 1/100 of a beer to be over the limit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yomi 12/26/18 5:13:10 PM #33:	ScazarMeltex posted... Sweet, now I can get arrested for DUI after using some Listerine or DayQuil before I get in my car. Fuck Utah. I though Missouri (where I live) was a joke state. I think you might be using listerine wrong. --- Chez moi, il fait beau. <cite>Yomi posted [p:914742011] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>Sweet, now I can get arrested for DUI after using some Listerine or DayQuil before I get in my car. Fuck Utah. I though Missouri (where I live) was a joke state.</quote>I think you might be using listerine wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 12/26/18 5:13:40 PM #34:	hockeybub89 posted... thronedfire2 posted... NibeIungsnarf posted... Nuffinz0rz posted... The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons. That's literally exactly what he's doing so? does that mean only people who smoke weed should decide if weed should be legal or not? It means "Bad cuz my god said so" is a dumbfuck way to legislate. but that's not even what's happening here. it's not like it was legal to drive drunk before, they just changed the limit. if you're not impaired at .05 it's not like they're gonna breathalyze you if you get pulled over for something else. same as when it was .08, if you appear sober enough they won't know. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:914742033] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NibeIungsnarf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nuffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>The church urges its members not to consume alcohol, and many accused him, as a Mormon, of trying to legislate drinkers and non-Mormons.</quote> That's literally exactly what he's doing</quote> so? does that mean only people who smoke weed should decide if weed should be legal or not?</quote> It means "Bad cuz my god said so" is a dumbfuck way to legislate.</quote> but that's not even what's happening here. it's not like it was legal to drive drunk before, they just changed the limit. if you're not impaired at .05 it's not like they're gonna breathalyze you if you get pulled over for something else. same as when it was .08, if you appear sober enough they won't know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 12/26/18 5:15:41 PM #35:	Complete_Idi0t posted... If a beer is 5% that means you only have to drink 1/100 of a beer to be over the limit As much as I enjoy your gimmick, there is one person at least in the topic who legitimately believes that. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:914742116] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>Complete_Idi0t posted...</cite> <quote>If a beer is 5% that means you only have to drink 1/100 of a beer to be over the limit</quote> As much as I enjoy your gimmick, there is one person at least in the topic who legitimately believes that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 12/26/18 5:17:37 PM #36:	It's already 0.5 in Australia. Not surprised US is so far behind. --- FFX is the best game of all time. The only good Nintendo franchises are Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Comics are for kids. https://imgur.com/LJ3WSyB Reylo Ship <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:914742195] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>It's already 0.5 in Australia. Not surprised US is so far behind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forlorn_Ass 12/26/18 5:22:50 PM #37:	ColdOne666 posted... It's already 0.5 in Australia. Not surprised US is so far behind. Surprised y'all haven't banned alcohol yet lol. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Forlorn_Ass posted [p:914742422] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>It's already 0.5 in Australia. Not surprised US is so far behind.</quote> Surprised y'all haven't banned alcohol yet lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 12/26/18 5:26:09 PM #38:	Why does Australia have a universal drinking limit for driving? 99.9% of the country is uninhabited wasteland. Nobody's getting hurt if you drink and drive outside Adelaide. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:914742571] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>Why does Australia have a universal drinking limit for driving? 99.9% of the country is uninhabited wasteland. Nobody's getting hurt if you drink and drive outside Adelaide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlleyViper620 12/26/18 5:26:13 PM #39:	Atralis posted... So basically the Mormon majority is criminalizing the behavior of religious minorities. P much. I had a coworker who took a temporary assignment in Utah once. He said that his neighbor at the apartment he was staying at was really friendly and they would talk every day. Then one day he (coworker) was coming home from getting groceries and had a six pack in his hand. The neighbor saw him, stared at six pack like a murder weapon, and didn't speak to said coworker for the remainder of the time he was out there. --- This space intentionally left blank. <cite>AlleyViper620 posted [p:914742574] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>Atralis posted...</cite> <quote>So basically the Mormon majority is criminalizing the behavior of religious minorities.</quote> P much. I had a coworker who took a temporary assignment in Utah once. He said that his neighbor at the apartment he was staying at was really friendly and they would talk every day. Then one day he (coworker) was coming home from getting groceries and had a six pack in his hand. The neighbor saw him, stared at six pack like a murder weapon, and didn't speak to said coworker for the remainder of the time he was out there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rikasa 12/26/18 5:27:25 PM #40:	Sounds OK but I'd have to see the statistics on how many drivers they pull over with <0.08 BAC and the circumstances --- you are not alone <cite>rikasa posted [p:914742619] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>Sounds OK but I'd have to see the statistics on how many drivers they pull over with <0.08 BAC and the circumstances</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 12/26/18 5:29:02 PM #41:	We should make alcohol illegal again --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:914742689] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>We should make alcohol illegal again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/26/18 5:30:16 PM #42:	thronedfire2 posted... but that's not even what's happening here. it's not like it was legal to drive drunk before, they just changed the limit. if you're not impaired at .05 it's not like they're gonna breathalyze you if you get pulled over for something else. same as when it was .08, if you appear sober enough they won't know. But they're changing it because Utah hates alcohol and would institute prohibition if they had that right. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:914742735] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote>but that's not even what's happening here. it's not like it was legal to drive drunk before, they just changed the limit. if you're not impaired at .05 it's not like they're gonna breathalyze you if you get pulled over for something else. same as when it was .08, if you appear sober enough they won't know.</quote> But they're changing it because Utah hates alcohol and would institute prohibition if they had that right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 12/26/18 5:31:13 PM #43:	"Utahns" Utahians, Utahites, Utahers? --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:914742786] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>"Utahns" Utahians, Utahites, Utahers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Correct_Facts 12/26/18 5:32:51 PM #44:	LOL People ITT act like cops don't pull people over for bullshit reasons <cite>Correct_Facts posted [p:914742851] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>LOL People ITT act like cops don't pull people over for bullshit reasons</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 12/26/18 5:34:49 PM #45:	In NY you can get popped for 0.05-0.07. it's called driving while ability impaired (dwai), and while it's not a misdemeanor you get your license suspended for 90 days. --- Buffalo Bills 2018-19 Season Prediction: 5-11 Season Record: 5-10 Next Up: vs. Miami Dolphins <cite>theAteam posted [p:914742931] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote>In NY you can get popped for 0.05-0.07. it's called driving while ability impaired (dwai), and while it's not a misdemeanor you get your license suspended for 90 days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 12/26/18 5:34:55 PM #46:	Pogo_Marimo posted... Most people experience almost no impairment to coordination at less than .03 - .04% BAC. Other factors, like driving home after a long day at work, are more impactful than alcohol at those levels. But there are people who do get impaired at < .05% BAC, and law's are designed for the Lowest Common Denominator, as a Safety net. And yes being tired is more impactful than alcohol, that's why you shouldn't drive if you're that tired. You're a risk to everybody and yourself. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:914742934] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pogo_Marimo posted...</cite> <quote> Most people experience almost no impairment to coordination at less than .03 - .04% BAC. Other factors, like driving home after a long day at work, are more impactful than alcohol at those levels.</quote>But there are people who do get impaired at < .05% BAC, and law's are designed for the Lowest Common Denominator, as a Safety net. And yes being tired is more impactful than alcohol, that's why you shouldn't drive if you're that tired. You're a risk to everybody and yourself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 12/26/18 5:35:49 PM #47:	PIITB415 posted... Plus there are medications that can cause impairments far greater than the BAC limits And in California, you can be prosecuted with a DUI if you drive with heavy medications that impair your judgement. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:914742977] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>PIITB415 posted...</cite> <quote>Plus there are medications that can cause impairments far greater than the BAC limits</quote>And in California, you can be prosecuted with a DUI if you drive with heavy medications that impair your judgement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
powerman1426 12/26/18 5:36:44 PM #48:	thronedfire2 posted... if you're not impaired at .05 it's not like they're gonna breathalyze you if you get pulled over for something else. same as when it was .08, if you appear sober enough they won't know. Daffadilio posted... the cops were already overzealous with the breathalyzers, I was asked to blow into one in the middle of the day when I was pulled over for using a carpool/HOV freeway entrance (just me in the car) but I dont see why that would be an indication I had been drinking. --- Troll free https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1439-the-help-desk https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1309-tradesmen-and-diyers https://imgur.com/Zz8E0P3 <cite>powerman1426 posted [p:914743023] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote>if you're not impaired at .05 it's not like they're gonna breathalyze you if you get pulled over for something else. same as when it was .08, if you appear sober enough they won't know.</quote> <cite>Daffadilio posted...</cite> <quote>the cops were already overzealous with the breathalyzers, I was asked to blow into one in the middle of the day when I was pulled over for using a carpool/HOV freeway entrance (just me in the car) but I dont see why that would be an indication I had been drinking. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 12/26/18 5:37:09 PM #49:	hockeybub89 posted... So taking cough medicine or swishing mouthwash should get you a DUI? Are you swallowing the Mouth Wash so that the Alcohol gets into your Blood Stream? If the Cough Medicine impairs your judgement, you would get prosecuted with a DUI here in California if a Police Officer caught you. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:914743041] in Utah First... [t:77335940]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>So taking cough medicine or swishing mouthwash should get you a DUI?</quote>Are you swallowing the Mouth Wash so that the Alcohol gets into your Blood Stream? If the Cough Medicine impairs your judgement, you would get prosecuted with a DUI here in California if a Police Officer caught you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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