Current Events > Just finished the prologue to MGSV.

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Holy crap these kids are stupid.

I eventually just had to tranq them all and carry them to the LZ individually because they kept taking cover for no reason.

And uh..

Somehow got an S rank even though it took 46 minutes, I had 2 combat alerts and I literally died.

*shrugs*
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DevsBro posted...

Holy crap these kids are stupid.

I eventually just had to tranq them all and carry them to the LZ individually because they kept taking cover for no reason.

???
You gotta give them orders to move
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DevsBro posted...

Holy crap these kids are stupid.

I eventually just had to tranq them all and carry them to the LZ individually because they kept taking cover for no reason.

I only had issuea with that mission the first time I did it. Forget what I did differently.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

DevsBro posted...

Holy crap these kids are stupid.

I eventually just had to tranq them all and carry them to the LZ individually because they kept taking cover for no reason.

???
You gotta give them orders to move

The order says "Wait" and is grayed out. They have their hands on their heads taking cover.

I kinda think the game thinks they've been spotted when a guard sees a sleeping guard or something, because there was a lot of thst going on and Miller kept telling me they had been seen, like a couple of seconds apart.
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DevsBro posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

DevsBro posted...

Holy crap these kids are stupid.

I eventually just had to tranq them all and carry them to the LZ individually because they kept taking cover for no reason.

???
You gotta give them orders to move

The order says "Wait" and is grayed out. They have their hands on their heads taking cover.

I kinda think the game thinks they've been spotted when a guard sees a sleeping guard or something, because there was a lot of thst going on and Miller kept telling me they had been seen, like a couple of seconds apart.

You need to be close to them otherwise they cant hear you.

Or it glitched. It's never glitched for me but who knows
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You know what

I bet the Sahilanthro... Sahalanta...

I bet the So Hilarious is an illusion. I noticed while S Ranking mission 12 that Mantis hangs out near it, plus he was there when it grabbed Ahab in mission 6 too. Plus nothing that big could jump that well, and certainly not land without killing Skull Face, and even Huey says it shouldn't be able to run.

Don't tell me if I'm right or wrong lol.
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You are needaword.
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Also it confuses me that literal Ocelot is the reasonable one, between him and Miller.

But when I think about it, something had to drive BB and Miller to opposite sides of the conflict in MG2.
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Miller endured torture, andlost an arm and a leg, so it's understandable why he's pissed

edit: and his home, that he helped build, was attacked
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boxington posted...

Miller endured torture, andlost an arm and a leg, so it's understandable why he's pissed

edit: and his home, that he helped build, was attacked

Which was his own fault. He even admits that in this game. I feel sorry for him on that he lost limbs but not much else.
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Oh, question.

If I get the fulton launcher, can I extract helicopters?

I've been putting off a few tank unit missions because I don't want to shoot down the choppers and lose them.
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DevsBro posted...

Oh, question.

If I get the fulton launcher, can I extract helicopters?

I've been putting off a few tank unit missions because I don't want to shoot down the choppers and lose them.

No. Only way to deal with a chopper is to take it down in lethal fashion. Its not like pw where you can just open the cockpit then trans the pilot and they somehow safely land
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mooreandrew58 posted...

boxington posted...

Miller endured torture, andlost an arm and a leg, so it's understandable why he's pissed

edit: and his home, that he helped build, was attacked

Which was his own fault. He even admits that in this game. I feel sorry for him on that he lost limbs but not much else.

yea, I'm not familiar with PW, but iirc he was working with Cipher or something, and also felt guilty for his role and betrayed by them
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boxington posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

boxington posted...

Miller endured torture, andlost an arm and a leg, so it's understandable why he's pissed

edit: and his home, that he helped build, was attacked

Which was his own fault. He even admits that in this game. I feel sorry for him on that he lost limbs but not much else.

yea, I'm not familiar with PW, but iirc he was working with Cipher or something, and also felt guilty for his role and betrayed by them

The main reason i have little sympathy was it was basically a betrayal of BBs trust. He did this without his knowledge or permission.

He also did the same with the KGB but BB saw through zadornovs act immediately and called him out by simply calling him comrade. Miller played dumb though and didnt admit till later he already knew he was kgb when he made the deal with him.
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DevsBro posted...

But when I think about it, something had to drive BB and Miller to opposite sides of the conflict in MG2.

It would have made more sense for this to be through the use of child soldiers, since Big Boss was all about them in MG2 while in this game Miller seems to really *really* be against them and Snake just kinda goes with it.

The actual reason for the split at the end of TPP is really really dumb and doesn't even make sense with how it is presented.

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

DevsBro posted...

But when I think about it, something had to drive BB and Miller to opposite sides of the conflict in MG2.

It would have made more sense for this to be through the use of child soldiers, since Big Boss was all about them in MG2 while in this game Miller seems to really *really* be against them and Snake just kinda goes with it.

The actual reason for the split at the end of TPP is really really dumb and doesn't even make sense with how it is presented.

Ive played the that game. Those said child soldiers didnt fight. So I got the impression he wasnt making them fight. Just training them until they where old enough. Still fucked up since he made orphans out of them and snatched them up but still to a lesser degree.

Hell you could kill the kids. You cant do that in this game without getting a gameover. In MG2 you just lost a little bit of health for doing it.

So basically its ok for solid to merc some kids but not big boss.
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That's why you get the mods that let you kill kids.

And yeah, they didn't fight but he was still training them to fight. Miller is absolutely against that as well. He just wants them to get a regular education and then go back to being regular people.

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

That's why you get the mods that let you kill kids.

And yeah, they didn't fight but he was still training them to fight. Miller is absolutely against that as well. He just wants them to get a regular education and then go back to being regular people.

Either way its not his main beef with BB but im not going to spoil what it is for TC.

Personally I feel both options should be given to the kids. Train them in both and once of age ask them what they want to do. In no way try to persuade them into the soldier life though. But if they choose a normal life at least they have the skills to defend themself if it ever comes to it.

Im talking of course about the kids rescued in this game not the ones intentionally made orphans.

I think time spent on base and seeing how war can be would deter most from choosing that life. I mean seeing the soldiers coming back hurt how it effects them mentally or the ones who dont come back at all.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Either way its not his main beef with BB but im not going to spoil what it is for TC.

I mean...yeah, that is what I was saying. It would have been a better main beef than what they went with.

Youngster_Joey_ posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Either way its not his main beef with BB but im not going to spoil what it is for TC.

I mean...yeah, that is what I was saying. It would have been a better main beef than what they went with.

Eh what it is makes sense too on a more personal level. I dont fault miller for how he reacts I just dont feel sorry for him either. That's a divisive issue though ive argued with several who felt miller deserved sympathy
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mooreandrew58 posted...

DevsBro posted...

Oh, question.

If I get the fulton launcher, can I extract helicopters?

I've been putting off a few tank unit missions because I don't want to shoot down the choppers and lose them.

No. Only way to deal with a chopper is to take it down in lethal fashion. Its not like pw where you can just open the cockpit then trans the pilot and they somehow safely land

Kk.

It's kinda funny how easy they are to shoot down with just an assault rifle lol
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DevsBro posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

DevsBro posted...

Oh, question.

If I get the fulton launcher, can I extract helicopters?

I've been putting off a few tank unit missions because I don't want to shoot down the choppers and lose them.

No. Only way to deal with a chopper is to take it down in lethal fashion. Its not like pw where you can just open the cockpit then trans the pilot and they somehow safely land

Kk.

It's kinda funny how easy they are to shoot down with just an assault rifle lol

They get harder. Same with tanks. You take out enough you'll run into ones that can take a lot more damage.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

DevsBro posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

DevsBro posted...

Oh, question.

If I get the fulton launcher, can I extract helicopters?

I've been putting off a few tank unit missions because I don't want to shoot down the choppers and lose them.

No. Only way to deal with a chopper is to take it down in lethal fashion. Its not like pw where you can just open the cockpit then trans the pilot and they somehow safely land

Kk.

It's kinda funny how easy they are to shoot down with just an assault rifle lol

They get harder. Same with tanks. You take out enough you'll run into ones that can take a lot more damage.

When you say "take out", does fultoning count (for tanks and APCs)?
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DevsBro posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

DevsBro posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

DevsBro posted...

Oh, question.

If I get the fulton launcher, can I extract helicopters?

I've been putting off a few tank unit missions because I don't want to shoot down the choppers and lose them.

No. Only way to deal with a chopper is to take it down in lethal fashion. Its not like pw where you can just open the cockpit then trans the pilot and they somehow safely land

Kk.

It's kinda funny how easy they are to shoot down with just an assault rifle lol

They get harder. Same with tanks. You take out enough you'll run into ones that can take a lot more damage.

When you say "take out", does fultoning count (for tanks and APCs)?

That im not sure about. Some side ops i think they are the harder variety period. Theyll be a red pinkish color.
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Once you can fulton vehicles, you can fulton every type of tanks.
The balloon can be shot down if it is discovered... but you can bypass that later... Mission 31 unlocks Side Mission 50 which unlocks an upgrade for your Fulton that makes it impossible to stop your fultoning.
Helicopters cant be captured.
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Well, I'm at 43% on side ops and 34% overall now.

Now I know they had some similar side ops in PW too but the next one up is Extract the Highly-Skilled Soldier freaking 10.
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Bryfang posted...

DevsBro posted...

I just restarted, extracted the interpreter immediately and then headed toward where you pick up the target.

Miller complained, but he gave me an S Rank anyway. *shrugs*

The only thing the game cares about is speed.

You can be reckless as all hell, get caught and everything, but so long as you do it fast, it's an S rank.

Also here's a tip in case you don't know it yet:

If you fulton one of those massive rectangular supply things while on top, you can ride it. It's really awesome for clearing some missions ASAP. Do what you gotta do, then ride it out of the hot zone.

Yeah it just comes across as silly in-universe where one second he's complaining thst you made a mess of the mission, then the next he's going "Amazing! That right there is why you're the boss! Thr one and only" while talking about the same mission. It would have been fun if they had Ocelot record a vocal for cases like that.

And did not know so thanks for the tip.
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DevsBro posted...

Bryfang posted...

DevsBro posted...

I just restarted, extracted the interpreter immediately and then headed toward where you pick up the target.

Miller complained, but he gave me an S Rank anyway. *shrugs*

The only thing the game cares about is speed.

You can be reckless as all hell, get caught and everything, but so long as you do it fast, it's an S rank.

Also here's a tip in case you don't know it yet:

If you fulton one of those massive rectangular supply things while on top, you can ride it. It's really awesome for clearing some missions ASAP. Do what you gotta do, then ride it out of the hot zone.

Yeah it just comes across as silly in-universe where one second he's complaining thst you made a mess of the mission, then the next he's going "Amazing! That right there is why you're the boss! Thr one and only" while talking about the same mission. It would have been fun if they had Ocelot record a vocal for cases like that.

And did not know so thanks for the tip.

No traces I think also is a near guarantee on S ranks. But that would be too dificult for more casual gamers. Basically psnk (perfect stealth no kills) but you also leave literally no trace you where there. Like knocked out guards damging equipment. Cant even tranq a animal I think.
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So these time limited challenges, like the one that expires on the 4th, if I ignore them, do they stay in the list with a thing that says "lol u failed it" or anything, or do you just not get the reward?

The latter I can handle. The former? Eh...
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DevsBro posted...

So these time limited challenges, like the one that expires on the 4th, if I ignore them, do they stay in the list with a thing that says "lol u failed it" or anything, or do you just not get the reward?

The latter I can handle. The former? Eh...

You just dont get the reward.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

DevsBro posted...

So these time limited challenges, like the one that expires on the 4th, if I ignore them, do they stay in the list with a thing that says "lol u failed it" or anything, or do you just not get the reward?

The latter I can handle. The former? Eh...

You just dont get the reward.

K cool
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Mission 21 was pretty cool. I really liked that one. This was the one at the airport where you had the walkers and the helicopter, and the dude lands and goes in to talk to the arms dealer.

Mission 22 defeated me, but this was entirely because I fell to my death lol.
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DevsBro posted...

Mission 21 was pretty cool. I really liked that one. This was the one at the airport where you had the walkers and the helicopter, and the dude lands and goes in to talk to the arms dealer.

Mission 22 defeated me, but this was entirely because I fell to my death lol.

Since I have all optional objectives complete I usually just snipe dude through window. He walks in front of it very briefly.

What was real fun was doing the conversation optional objective during the day.
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Bryfang posted...

DevsBro posted...

Mission 21 was pretty cool. I really liked that one. This was the one at the airport where you had the walkers and the helicopter, and the dude lands and goes in to talk to the arms dealer.

That's one where riding the storage containers out works amazing in.

Just snuck near them, saw the dude walking by, popped him with a silencer, then rode it out.

Easy S rank.

Im nor sure but Idk if youd normally have that ability by that point. Ita been awhile

But that reminds me. TC one of the final missions you get locked into when you start. You can try aborting thr mission turning your game off and back on etc and you'll always start in that mission. And its a hard mission. So if you really need to get out to say grind for better equipment ride a container out.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Bryfang posted...

DevsBro posted...

Mission 21 was pretty cool. I really liked that one. This was the one at the airport where you had the walkers and the helicopter, and the dude lands and goes in to talk to the arms dealer.

That's one where riding the storage containers out works amazing in.

Just snuck near them, saw the dude walking by, popped him with a silencer, then rode it out.

Easy S rank.

Im nor sure but Idk if youd normally have that ability by that point. Ita been awhile

But that reminds me. TC one of the final missions you get locked into when you start. You can try aborting thr mission turning your game off and back on etc and you'll always start in that mission. And its a hard mission. So if you really need to get out to say grind for better equipment ride a container out.

I guess it depends on what dudes you do or don't extract but I've been able to fulton containers, tanks, AAs, etc forever.
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DevsBro posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Bryfang posted...

DevsBro posted...

Mission 21 was pretty cool. I really liked that one. This was the one at the airport where you had the walkers and the helicopter, and the dude lands and goes in to talk to the arms dealer.

That's one where riding the storage containers out works amazing in.

Just snuck near them, saw the dude walking by, popped him with a silencer, then rode it out.

Easy S rank.

Im nor sure but Idk if youd normally have that ability by that point. Ita been awhile

But that reminds me. TC one of the final missions you get locked into when you start. You can try aborting thr mission turning your game off and back on etc and you'll always start in that mission. And its a hard mission. So if you really need to get out to say grind for better equipment ride a container out.

I guess it depends on what dudes you do or don't extract but I've been able to fulton containers, tanks, AAs, etc forever.

As said I couldnt remember I just remember it not becoming an actual requirement till a bit later in the game
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Im nor sure but Idk if youd normally have that ability by that point. Ita been awhile

I just did the mission on my playthrough and it's how I escaped.

I'm not exactly pushing my R&D team either, although I did do a small recruitment push in general right before the mission.
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It does still really irritate me how long it takes enemies to call off the search. I mostly just try to fight it out instead these days. Let them kill me if there are a lot of them. What do I care, at least I don't have to spend an hour sitting in a porter potty.
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Half the time if I get spotted, I just call in my helicopter to nuke the area.
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Holy hell 22 is stupid.

Freaking getting seen from a different dang floor through the floor and guess what you can't even cap them in response. The target's guards spawn infinitely or else there are just a trillion of them so fulton is impossible if you get seen unless you just decide to spend the next week of your life waiting for them to call it off.

I swear wtf
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Well of course I get lucky on the very next try after venting. >_>

Wait, why did I get paid for that?
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I just started these too TC. I had it on PC, maxing it out....

But I have to tell this to someone

I picked it up super cheap for PS3 and my jaw hit the floor...that they achieved graphics like this on last gen systems in a playable state at all boggles my mind. The improvement on lighting alone makes MSGIV look truly a generation behind. I mean the pop in really gets to me, and I imagine it's worse in PP (not there yet on PS3) but I feel like I'm not even missing out just because of how impressive the last gen ports are.

What console you on?
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F1areaGaman posted...

I just started these too TC. I had it on PC, maxing it out....

But I have to tell this to someone

I picked it up super cheap for PS3 and my jaw hit the floor...that they achieved graphics like this on last gen systems in a playable state at all boggles my mind. The improvement on lighting alone makes MSGIV look truly a generation behind. I mean the pop in really gets to me, and I imagine it's worse in PP (not there yet on PS3) but I feel like I'm not even missing out just because of how impressive the last gen ports are.

What console you on?

PS3, actually.

The pop-in is actually a lot better in TPP. Probably because TPP is not even nearly as detailed a game world as GZ and the places with detailed environments hide the enemies behind the details so you can't do the sweeping shot with the binoculars and see double-digit numbers of soldiers like you can at the start of the Ground Zeroes mission.
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DevsBro posted...

Well of course I get lucky on the very next try after venting. >_>

Wait, why did I get paid for that?

For 22?
From their salary as punishment I would guess.
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Foppe posted...

DevsBro posted...

Well of course I get lucky on the very next try after venting. >_>

Wait, why did I get paid for that?

For 22?
From their salary as punishment I would guess.

They don't get paid though. I know; I write the checks. And I write them for R&D and Base Building whenever I have a specific project. Where are they gonna spend it anyway? Is Piquat gonna transport them from the middle of the Indian Ocean to the nearest Gamestop?
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DevsBro posted...

Foppe posted...

DevsBro posted...

Well of course I get lucky on the very next try after venting. >_>

Wait, why did I get paid for that?

For 22?
From their salary as punishment I would guess.

They don't get paid though. I know; I write the checks. And I write them for R&D and Base Building whenever I have a specific project. Where are they gonna spend it anyway? Is Piquat gonna transport them from the middle of the Indian Ocean to the nearest Gamestop?

They get an universal salary that is drawn before you see the money.
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Foppe posted...

DevsBro posted...

Foppe posted...

DevsBro posted...

Well of course I get lucky on the very next try after venting. >_>

Wait, why did I get paid for that?

For 22?
From their salary as punishment I would guess.

They don't get paid though. I know; I write the checks. And I write them for R&D and Base Building whenever I have a specific project. Where are they gonna spend it anyway? Is Piquat gonna transport them from the middle of the Indian Ocean to the nearest Gamestop?

They get an universal salary that is drawn before you see the money.

Considering you get a flat payment on each mission regardless of how many people you have on the team, this is impossible.
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So I set my helicopter music to You Spin Me Round.

Ride of the Valkyries was the best so far but it got old after a while. Most of the others don't work at all because of the intro but You Spin Me starts fast pretty much immediately.

I love the idea of Rebel Yell and Final Countdown but it takes so long to get to the good part on both of those that I'm either leaving or gone by the time they even kick in. I didn't realize Final Countdown's iconic intro was so far into the track.

That said, if Heavens Divide is in this game, there better be a mission like the helicopter one in Ground Zeroes so I can get to the dramatic part while firing the minigun lol.
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