Current Events > Don't watch GOT, but it sounds like their Dextering their final season?

(+) Yeah! (+)

The fans dont seem to like it.
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Not as bad as Dexter but yeah
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It's not even in the same ball park as how bad Dexter was.
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It's not. Only the book nerds hate it really. Causal fans are eating it up.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

Only the book nerds hate it really

People should stop saying this. It's bad all on its own, not in comparison.
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It's not nearly as bad as the whiners would have you believe.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

It's not. Only the book nerds hate it really. Causal fans are eating it up.

Most casual fans are dumb as bricks
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pegusus123456 posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

Only the book nerds hate it really

People should stop saying this. It's bad all on its own, not in comparison.

It's not though. Nitpicking aside, people are acting like these motivations and actions are coming out of nowhere.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

Only the book nerds hate it really

People should stop saying this. It's bad all on its own, not in comparison.

It's not though. Nitpicking aside, people are acting like these motivations and actions are coming out of nowhere.

In this last episode? They did.

But there's no spoiler warning in the topic title, so fuck arguing about it here.
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Theres a lot of bad stuff thats happened with this season but the haters are just on their hate train complaining about almost everything.

If it wasnt for some of the really dumb choices in episode 3 then we wouldnt be seeing all this salt.
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pegusus123456 posted...

In this last episode? They did.

But there's no spoiler warning in the topic title, so fuck arguing about it here.

Spoilers for all of episode 5 of season 8 in video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W8j6wOvxuo" data-time="

I feel like y'all don't watch this at all at the end of episodes. There's justification for characters actions. Sure some are flimsy but it's not completely unreasonable.
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so far the last season is better than all the books combined
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Makeveli_lives posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

In this last episode? They did.

But there's no spoiler warning in the topic title, so fuck arguing about it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W8j6wOvxuo" data-time="

I feel like y'all don't watch this at all at the end of episodes. There's justification for characters actions. Sure some are flimsy but it's not completely unreasonable.

You should not need behind the scenes interviews to explain characters.
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idk what you speak of tc dexter eneded at after season 4. yup, thats my story and im sticking to it.
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Apparently Dany's storyline completely led up to her just wanting to kill civilians for no reasons.

I love when people say this, its literally absurd and last nights episode was piss poor
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pegusus123456 posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

In this last episode? They did.

But there's no spoiler warning in the topic title, so fuck arguing about it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W8j6wOvxuo" data-time="

I feel like y'all don't watch this at all at the end of episodes. There's justification for characters actions. Sure some are flimsy but it's not completely unreasonable.

You should not need behind the scenes interviews to explain characters.

Apparently y'all do. Y'all don't like to think about anything and would rather have it fed to you. And if time doesn't allow it to be fed to you, you call it forced and sudden and non sensical.
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karlpilkington4 posted...

Apparently Dany's storyline completely led up to her just wanting to kill civilians for no reasons.

Again you should really take the 3 minutes required that explains the build up of anger and resentment and why she actually snapped when the bells started ringing. It wasn't for no reason and there were signs back in season 1 that she's exactly the type of person to pull this shit.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

And if time doesn't allow it to be fed to you, you call it forced and sudden and non sensical.

What an ironic comment considering it was indeed forced and sudden and nonsensical because the shortened season didn't allow for it to be properly developed.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

Apparently y'all do. Y'all don't like to think about anything and would rather have it fed to you. And if time doesn't allow it to be fed to you, you call it forced and sudden and non sensical.

Oh, please. Keep in mind that HBO would have let them do however many episodes they wanted. There was no reason they had to squeeze all this character development into two episodes.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Apparently Dany's storyline completely led up to her just wanting to kill civilians for no reasons.

Again you should really take the 3 minutes required that explains the build up of anger and resentment and why she actually snapped when the bells started ringing. It wasn't for no reason and there were signs back in season 1 that she's exactly the type of person to pull this shit.

You can say this, but that doesn't actually make it true.The execution of the entire thing was awful. Dany raged, looked at the castle where Cersei was, and decided to kill civilians for an hour before going after the person who killed her friends. I dont care that civilians died in the battle, I care that there was no point in killing them. Collateral damage wouldn't have been an issue for me if she just went straight after Cersei when the bells rang and the castle collapsed killing people near it. That isnt at all what happened, and no where in the last 7.5 seasons has Dany been shown to be evil, quite the opposite when it comes to civilians.

But please, continue to defend this crap.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

Apparently y'all do. Y'all don't like to think about anything and would rather have it fed to you. And if time doesn't allow it to be fed to you, you call it forced and sudden and non sensical.

Oh, please. Keep in mind that HBO would have let them do however many episodes they wanted. There was no reason they had to squeeze all this character development into two episodes.

Sure there is. They didn't want to do it at all. They want to move on with their careers and do other projects.
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Dany wasnt evil. She found out her lifes goal was a lie, she was losing everything & everyone she cared for in the span of a few months. And what she got in return for saving people was ungratefulness & plotting behind her back.

Throughout the series shes been shown to be impulsive but she always had friends & advisors to pull her back. Shes now alone in the world and in a moment of rage lashed out.

But it is really really dumb that she spent most of her time not burning the Red Keep but instead the opposite end of the city.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

In this last episode? They did.

But there's no spoiler warning in the topic title, so fuck arguing about it here.

Spoilers for all of episode 5 of season 8 in video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W8j6wOvxuo" data-time="

I feel like y'all don't watch this at all at the end of episodes. There's justification for characters actions. Sure some are flimsy but it's not completely unreasonable.

They kinda forgot you're supposed to explain these things in the actual episodes
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iPhone_7 posted...

Shes now alone in the world and in a moment of rage lashed out.

A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing...
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Gobstoppers12 posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Shes now alone in the world and in a moment of rage lashed out.

A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing...

Jon: Am I a joke to you

Hell they even had a whole scene where he tries to explain this to her
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karlpilkington4 posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Apparently Dany's storyline completely led up to her just wanting to kill civilians for no reasons.

Again you should really take the 3 minutes required that explains the build up of anger and resentment and why she actually snapped when the bells started ringing. It wasn't for no reason and there were signs back in season 1 that she's exactly the type of person to pull this shit.

You can say this, but that doesn't actually make it true.The execution of the entire thing was awful. Dany raged, looked at the castle where Cersei was, and decided to kill civilians for an hour before going after the person who killed her friends. I dont care that civilians died in the battle, I care that there was no point in killing them. Collateral damage wouldn't have been an issue for me if she just went straight after Cersei when the bells rang and the castle collapsed killing people near it. That isnt at all what happened, and no where in the last 7.5 seasons has Dany been shown to be evil, quite the opposite when it comes to civilians.

But please, continue to defend this crap.

It was her advisors keeping her on a leash with civilians. But now her advisors areeither dead or traitors to her. Except Tyrion who's now following out of fear and can't be trusted, especially with regard to his family who's always been a weak spot for him. Or Jon who is competition for the throne so she doesn't trust him either anymore, especially since he went and told people who he was despite being warned. Or Greyworm who is now filled with blood lust and is now down for whatever cause his girl died. So who close to her is now trying to keep her civil that she actually trust? The answer is nobody, so she went hard as a motherfucker when the opportunity presented itself. It made sense thematically for her to snap.

And you said there were no signs in season 1 but every single season to date she's killed her enemies with no remorse or watched them die with no remorse. She watched her brother die, killed the witch doctor, locked her handler in a vault with the merchant, had her almost husband burned alive in mereen, etc. Shes always been this way, she just spared the bystanders at the request of her advisors and friends. And as stated above, she's lacking that right now so she's not held back at the moment.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

They kinda forgot you're supposed to explain these things in the actual episodes

And that I agree with. But the idea that all of this under cover development comes out of nowhere that purist are insisting is ridiculous. Flimsy as they may or may not be, there are reasons why things are happening the way they are.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

They kinda forgot you're supposed to explain these things in the actual episodes

And that I agree with. But the idea that all of this under cover development comes out of nowhere that purist are insisting is ridiculous. Flimsy as they may or may not be, there are reasons why things are happening the way they are.

The difference is that this is actually her first time doing something out of character. We know that she has no qualms about killing those who wronged her. Telling her army to go after innocents and non-combatants is a big yikes. Jon and Arya certainly realize that and that's why they acted the way they did in that episode.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Apparently Dany's storyline completely led up to her just wanting to kill civilians for no reasons.

Again you should really take the 3 minutes required that explains the build up of anger and resentment and why she actually snapped when the bells started ringing. It wasn't for no reason and there were signs back in season 1 that she's exactly the type of person to pull this shit.

You can say this, but that doesn't actually make it true.The execution of the entire thing was awful. Dany raged, looked at the castle where Cersei was, and decided to kill civilians for an hour before going after the person who killed her friends. I dont care that civilians died in the battle, I care that there was no point in killing them. Collateral damage wouldn't have been an issue for me if she just went straight after Cersei when the bells rang and the castle collapsed killing people near it. That isnt at all what happened, and no where in the last 7.5 seasons has Dany been shown to be evil, quite the opposite when it comes to civilians.

But please, continue to defend this crap.

It was her advisors keeping her on a leash with civilians. But now her advisors areeither dead or traitors to her. Except Tyrion who's now following out of fear and can't be trusted, especially with regard to his family who's always been a weak spot for him. Or Jon who is competition for the throne so she doesn't trust him either anymore, especially since he went and told people who he was despite being warned. Or Greyworm who is now filled with blood lust and is now down for whatever cause his girl died. So who close to her is now trying to keep her civil that she actually trust? The answer is nobody, so she went hard as a motherfucker when the opportunity presented itself. It made sense thematically for her to snap.

And you said there were no signs in season 1 but every single season to date she's killed her enemies with no remorse or watched them die with no remorse. She watched her brother die, killed the witch doctor, locked her handler in a vault with the merchant, had her almost husband burned alive in mereen, etc. Shes always been this way, she just spared the bystanders at the request of her advisors and friends. And as stated above, she's lacking that right now so she's not held back at the moment.

I cant remember a single time when she had a choice or decided to kill civilians before, but was stopped. Can you point to a specific time? I dont think anyone has a problem with her killing her enemies, thats not the problem. Its her indiscriminately killing innocents that serves zero tactical advantage.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

In this last episode? They did.

But there's no spoiler warning in the topic title, so fuck arguing about it here.

Spoilers for all of episode 5 of season 8 in video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W8j6wOvxuo" data-time="

I feel like y'all don't watch this at all at the end of episodes. There's justification for characters actions. Sure some are flimsy but it's not completely unreasonable.

Remember last week where they explained that Daenerys forgot about the Iron Fleet right after she talked about them in the war room? Great writing, great explanations
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Makeveli_lives posted...

karlpilkington4 posted...

Apparently Dany's storyline completely led up to her just wanting to kill civilians for no reasons.

Again you should really take the 3 minutes required that explains the build up of anger and resentment and why she actually snapped when the bells started ringing. It wasn't for no reason and there were signs back in season 1 that she's exactly the type of person to pull this shit.

Yeah remember all those scenes where it implied she would just love to murder women and children.
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karlpilkington4 posted...

I cant remember a single time when she had a choice or decided to kill civilians before, but was stopped. Can you point to a specific time? I dont think anyone has a problem with her killing her enemies, thats not the problem. Its her indiscriminately killing innocents that serves zero tactical advantage.

The last like 10 episodes or so, she constantly had to be talked down from simply going to kings landing with 3 dragons and taking everything by force. Like ever since she got to Westeros in the first place. She was constantly tempted and constantly holding back despite what she's been after finally being "within reach". She was never intentionally going after civilians but she was always held back because she considered the collateral damage, her and her trusted advisors.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

The last like 10 episodes or so, she constantly had to be talked down from simply going to kings landing with 3 dragons and taking everything by force. Like ever since she got to Westeros in the first place. She was constantly tempted and constantly holding back despite what she's been after finally being "within reach". She was never intentionally going after civilians but she was always held back because she considered the collateral damage, her and her trusted advisors.

And I'd have bought that as her "wanting to kill innocent people" until this very fucking episode showed that she could have attacked King's Landing with dragons without hurting innocent people.

Like when the battle started, I was fully prepared for her to go in guns blazing and torching everything, but she didn't. When she sat Drogon down, I was fully prepared for those bells to never ring and for her to start burning everything, but they rang. There are small changes that could have been made solely to this episode which would have made it make more sense, but they wanted to make her as irredeemable as possible and it turned out stupid.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

The last like 10 episodes or so, she constantly had to be talked down from simply going to kings landing with 3 dragons and taking everything by force. Like ever since she got to Westeros in the first place. She was constantly tempted and constantly holding back despite what she's been after finally being "within reach". She was never intentionally going after civilians but she was always held back because she considered the collateral damage, her and her trusted advisors.

And I'd have bought that as her "wanting to kill innocent people" until this very fucking episode showed that she could have attacked King's Landing with dragons without hurting innocent people.

Like when the battle started, I was fully prepared for her to go in guns blazing and torching everything, but she didn't. When she sat Drogon down, I was fully prepared for those bells to never ring and for her to start burning everything, but they rang. There are small changes that could have been made solely to this episode which would have made it make more sense, but they wanted to make her as irredeemable as possible and it turned out stupid.

And again she was held in check by trusted advisors who had a certain image of her that she felt the need to uphold to maintain that image. With them and their trust no longer in the picture, why would she up hold it? Especially for the people of Westeros who have no love for her anyway?
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Makeveli_lives posted...

And again she was held in check by trusted advisors who had a certain image of her that she felt the need to uphold to maintain that image. With them and their trust no longer in the picture, why would she up hold it? Especially for the people of Westeros who have no love for her anyway?

What. Jorah and Barristan both once told her that war would require spilling the blood of innocents and she did her best to make sure that didn't happen. In fact, she was personally hurt whenever she failed to prevent it. Her keeping innocents safe was never an "image" she tried to maintain, it's who she was.

The only time her advisors tried to talk her down is when Varys and Tyrion were buttmad about her attacking King's Landing with dragons. But as I said, that point is completely undermined by this episode demonstrating she could have done so without attacking innocents. It probably would have been more humane than a siege or a full on attack would have been because we didn't see soldiers looting and raping and pillaging until after she went crazy.
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