Current Events > Jeremy Kyle (UK's Jerry Springer) may be cancelled after guest commits suicide

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Jeremy Kyle kept his head down on Tuesday as he was seen for the first time since his show was suspended following a guests death.

Grandfather Steven Dymond, 62, was said to have died by suicide days after being humiliated on The Jeremy Kyle Show, after it was alleged he failed a lie detector test and the audience turned on him.

ITV pulled the episode before it was aired and suspended the show indefinitely. While all episodes currently on the hub were also taken offline, the show was forced to defend its level of aftercare.

It comes after Stevens landlady Shelley told The Daily Mail the digger driver returned home following his spot on the show sobbing. She said: Four days later he was dead. I really believe it was the show that tipped him over the edge.

He was sobbing, he said, its all gone wrong, and said he had failed the lie detector. He was distraught and devastated. He was traumatised. Steve said it got quite nasty on the show, she said. He told me that he had wanted to kill himself [] He was just a mess and he was just humiliated.

While Jeremy is yet to publicly comment on the situation, show bosses today released a statement in which they detailed the aftercare procedures undertaken on guests who appear on the controversial programme. ITV explained that all guests are seen by a member of the guest welfare team after filming to ensure they are feeling calm and emotionally settled before leaving taping to travel home.

Ongoing service from the show is also discussed with the guest, and if requested then appropriate solutions are found such as counselling, anger management or family mediation. However, also today a former staffer of the programme claimed the aftercare was all for show, telling Metro.co.uk she saw participants egged on by researchers to react in certain ways, and abandoned backstage after the show

Full Article: https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/14/jeremy-kyle-seen-first-time-since-show-axed-following-guest-death-itv-defends-aftercare-9540599/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48265740


Another guest attempted suicide:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/may/14/jeremy-kyle-show-ruined-life-guest-speaks-out

Also claims their "aftercare" was two disingenuous phone calls.

I always found these shows weird.

Why is it any of our businsess who is the father or who owes who money or who cheated on who?

How is riling stupid people up on stage and pointing a camera at them anything but harmful?
It's not any of our business and we're not going to get anything close to a full story by 8 minutes of fat people yelling at each other.

Imagine if you went on youtube now and found clips of your parents and some fat guy yelling about who fucked who and who is your dad? And then everyone cries and someone cheers that they're not your father and your father is some guy your mom fucked on the side.

It's just so...weird.
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yea that sounds like a scummy show

sick that people watch this shit
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I wonder if social media make these kinds of shows even worse.

Like back in the 90's you would be on these trash shows and you're forgotten after a day or so. Now you can be tracked down on social media and embarrassing clips can be viewed whenever you want.

Either way this scenario seemed inevitable. This story could have a ripple effect on these sorts of shows. They don't exactly pick people who are in a good period of their lives.
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confirmed canceled now
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spudger posted...

confirmed canceled now

Good
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I always found these shows weird.

Why is it any of our businsess who is the father or who owes who money or who cheated on who?

They decide to make it our business by appearing on those shows.
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These types of shows are just making poor people into entertainment.

They get paid to go in, and then pressed beforehand into getting worked up by the producers sharing "rumours" and then Kyle lords over them so we can all feel we are good people and not "awful" like the ones we are watching.

Meanwhile Kyle is a pretty disgusting person himself.

Glad it's finally been cancelled.
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So (assuming) he went on a show and lied. Was called out for lying and was sad his life turned to shit.

He didn't have to appear on the show. He didn't have to lie.

Yeah, it's sad but I don't see how it's the show's fault.
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I think what gets me most is that the people who go on these shows are real. I always assumed it was just actors because people couldn't be that shitty. Guess I was wrong.
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Surprised this hasn't happened on Steve Wilkos yet with all those pedos and wife beaters that get outed on that show.
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"they humiliated me after i took their money and appeared on a show where i knew exactly what i was in for"
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fenderbender321 posted...

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

So (assuming) he went on a show and lied. Was called out for lying and was sad his life turned to shit.

He didn't have to appear on the show. He didn't have to lie.

Yeah, it's sad but I don't see how it's the show's fault.

This.

Very concerning the direction we are headed in terms of how we assess accountability. Everything is becoming everyone else's responsibility rather than the people who literally committ the actions.

Lie detectors are 100% bullshit and mean nothing.

Using these to determine anything is about as reliable as horoscopes.
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amazing the usuals come in her shitposting over a suicide

pathetic
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Lie detector tests aren't that accurate. Y'know we dont use them in court?
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fenderbender321 posted...

Oh I wasn't talking about any of that.

I was talking about how this person chose to go on the show. Chose to take a lie detector. Chose to kill himself. All choices.

Just how you chose to be a shitstain and mock a suicide victim.
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Jerry Springer is still on the air?
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fenderbender321 posted...

Funkydog posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

So (assuming) he went on a show and lied. Was called out for lying and was sad his life turned to shit.

He didn't have to appear on the show. He didn't have to lie.

Yeah, it's sad but I don't see how it's the show's fault.

This.

Very concerning the direction we are headed in terms of how we assess accountability. Everything is becoming everyone else's responsibility rather than the people who literally committ the actions.

Lie detectors are 100% bullshit and mean nothing.

Using these to determine anything is about as reliable as horoscopes.

Oh I wasn't talking about any of that.

I was talking about how this person chose to go on the show. Chose to take a lie detector. Chose to kill himself. All choices.

It's sad and unfortunate. But it's nobody else's fault.

Yikes. You're heartless.

fenderbender321 posted...

Funkydog posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Oh I wasn't talking about any of that.

I was talking about how this person chose to go on the show. Chose to take a lie detector. Chose to kill himself. All choices.

Just how you chose to be a shitstain and mock a suicide victim.

I didn't mock anybody. And you know it. Don't appreciate that accusation and putting words in my mouth.

If you got "It's his fault" from a show that abuses troubled and disadvantaged people to turn them into circus entertainment and casts them off like dirt then I'm not sure how else to take it.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Funkydog posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

So (assuming) he went on a show and lied. Was called out for lying and was sad his life turned to shit.

He didn't have to appear on the show. He didn't have to lie.

Yeah, it's sad but I don't see how it's the show's fault.

This.

Very concerning the direction we are headed in terms of how we assess accountability. Everything is becoming everyone else's responsibility rather than the people who literally committ the actions.

Lie detectors are 100% bullshit and mean nothing.

Using these to determine anything is about as reliable as horoscopes.

Oh I wasn't talking about any of that.

I was talking about how this person chose to go on the show. Chose to take a lie detector. Chose to kill himself. All choices.

It's sad and unfortunate. But it's nobody else's fault.

Manipulation is a serious thing we should oppose dude

driving people to suicide and then acting like you did nothing wrong is evil stupid and pathetic
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Good, now get that shit bag Maury, Trisha Goddard, Steve Wilkos, and Jerry Springer THE FUCK OUT NEXT

Funkydog posted...

They get paid to go in, and then pressed beforehand into getting worked up by the producers sharing "rumours" and then Kyle lords over them so we can all feel we are good people and not "awful" like the ones we are watching.

Schadenfreude sells.
This show will be replaced by something ambiguously worse by the end of the year.

I'm pretty sure something similar happened that killed the Jenny Jones Show as well back in the 90s.

Doe posted...

Lie detector tests aren't that accurate. Y'know we dont use them in court?

Yep.

I was thinking about this the other day, and actual innocent guys on Maury could have been thrown under the bus due to how the Lie Detectors are designed.
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Isn't this show far more explict than anything Wilkos and Springer do? I was under the impression people knew their guests were actors where as this show makes it seem like the guests are actually like that.
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tremain07 posted...

Isn't this show far more explict than anything Wilkos and Springer do? I was under the impression people knew their guests were actors where as this show makes it seem like the guests are actually like that.

It took until this post for me to realize Jerry Springer isnt who got canceled
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I thought Jeremy Kyles show involved him finding long lost relatives and reuniting them. I guess he did "you're not the father" episodes too.
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Lebronwon posted...

Surprised this hasn't happened on Steve Wilkos yet with all those pedos and wife beaters that get outed on that show.

It probably has at least once, but nobody cares if a pedo or wife beater kills themselves. They wouldn't get any sympathy.

What did the guy in the OP even get ridiculed for? What was he taking a lie detector test for?
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fenderbender321 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Funkydog posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

So (assuming) he went on a show and lied. Was called out for lying and was sad his life turned to shit.

He didn't have to appear on the show. He didn't have to lie.

Yeah, it's sad but I don't see how it's the show's fault.

This.

Very concerning the direction we are headed in terms of how we assess accountability. Everything is becoming everyone else's responsibility rather than the people who literally committ the actions.

Lie detectors are 100% bullshit and mean nothing.

Using these to determine anything is about as reliable as horoscopes.

Oh I wasn't talking about any of that.

I was talking about how this person chose to go on the show. Chose to take a lie detector. Chose to kill himself. All choices.

It's sad and unfortunate. But it's nobody else's fault.

Manipulation is a serious thing we should oppose dude

driving people to suicide and then acting like you did nothing wrong is evil stupid and pathetic

I don't disagree. Our actions have influences. And we should treat people nicely.

But go back and reread what I posted. We are talking about the concept of "fault".

Yes and a TV show which knowingly and intentionally causes immense mental distress on the easily manipulated and effectively drives them to suicide and depression is at fault.

The blood of this guy's hands is on the producers of JK's show even though he "chose" to kill himself.

You remind of me of those people who claim women "Choose" to cover their entire bodies in the middle east.
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fenderbender321 posted...

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

So (assuming) he went on a show and lied. Was called out for lying and was sad his life turned to shit.

He didn't have to appear on the show. He didn't have to lie.

Yeah, it's sad but I don't see how it's the show's fault.

This.

Very concerning the direction we are headed in terms of how we assess accountability. Everything is becoming everyone else's responsibility rather than the people who literally committ the actions.

Can't believe it took this long for someone to post this.

I feel bad for the show's staff who are currently looking for work, though.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Eh, i think that's a bad comparison.

AFAIK, there are a lot of things that factor into a person's decision to committ suicide. We should not just lay it all on one thing.

For the record, I am not a fan of these shows and for the most part agree that they probably shouldn't have shows like this. Don't support a ban though as these are constenting adults.

"This thing wasn't the ONLY thing that led to suicide. Therefore it's fine" is hideious logic.
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And he was never seen again
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It's odd how those shows use lie detectors and both the host, audience, and guests all accept them as true when in reality they're mostly bogus.

Also he chose to go on the show.
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He chose to go on the show and he also chose to let their treatment there affect his mental state.
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The show ran for 14 years.
It had over 3300 episodes.
It hit the tabloids and criticised in court multiple times.
Nobody expects things to end like the Oprah Show while going to the Jerry Springer or Jeremy Kyle Show.
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One of my favorite personal anecdotes is my first girlfriend, after we broke up, going on Maury to figure out her baby daddy. I wasn't in the running at that poing, BTW.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Eh, i think that's a bad comparison.

AFAIK, there are a lot of things that factor into a person's decision to committ suicide. We should not just lay it all on one thing.

For the record, I am not a fan of these shows and for the most part agree that they probably shouldn't have shows like this. Don't support a ban though as these are constenting adults.

"This thing wasn't the ONLY thing that led to suicide. Therefore it's fine" is hideious logic.

Oh shut the fuck up and stop trying to stir shit up.

Nowhere did this guy imply that what happened was fine. Hes talking about accountability and even acknowledges that these shows arent a good idea. Some of you arent even reading the replies before looking for a witch to burn.

I happen to agree. I dont doubt that what happened didnt contribute to the guy falling off the ledge mentally. But suicide is a choice. Bottom line. The world sucks and people are scumbags, but its up to every person out there on that ledge that needs to make the choice to NOT quit. No matter how badly you want to, or how much outside help you get, it has to be the individual choosing not to quit

The Jeremy Kyle Show is substantially worse than Springer. It's not as trashy, but unlike Springer as a host, he actually pushes people and tries to turn the audience on them and humiliate them. The show is more like if Nancy Grace had a talk show format.
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Kensaimage posted...

Oh shut the fuck up and stop trying to stir shit up.

Nowhere did this guy imply that what happened was fine. Hes talking about accountability and even acknowledges that these shows arent a good idea. Some of you arent even reading the replies before looking for a witch to burn.

I happen to agree. I dont doubt that what happened didnt contribute to the guy falling off the ledge mentally. But suicide is a choice. Bottom line. The world sucks and people are scumbags, but its up to every person out there on that ledge that needs to make the choice to NOT quit. No matter how badly you want to, or how much outside help you get, it has to be the individual choosing not to quit

Again I have to say this is incredibly lazy logic.

"Well people make the choice to kill themselves therefore no other factors matter!" it's mental varation of sticking fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALALALALALALALALALAALALALALALAALALALA!"

What we do matters. Decisions we undertake matters. Not just for one person but for everyone.

If there are things that are Malicious and actively pushing people towards suicide, taking advantage of the desperate or the mentally ill, lying or manipulating like a predator and causing evils into the world. They are still responsible for the damage they do.

If these fellas who killed themselves or tried to kill themselves or had breakdowns or fell into deep depressions, did not go on this show, that would not have occured.

You can't ignore this by going "Well suicide is their choice! Therefore fuck them hope they burn in hell the show is not to blame!" that's lazy.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Oh shut the fuck up and stop trying to stir shit up.

Nowhere did this guy imply that what happened was fine. Hes talking about accountability and even acknowledges that these shows arent a good idea. Some of you arent even reading the replies before looking for a witch to burn.

I happen to agree. I dont doubt that what happened didnt contribute to the guy falling off the ledge mentally. But suicide is a choice. Bottom line. The world sucks and people are scumbags, but its up to every person out there on that ledge that needs to make the choice to NOT quit. No matter how badly you want to, or how much outside help you get, it has to be the individual choosing not to quit

Again I have to say this is incredibly lazy logic.

"Well people make the choice to kill themselves therefore no other factors matter!" it's mental varation of sticking fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALALALALALALALALALAALALALALALAALALALA!"

What we do matters. Decisions we undertake matters. Not just for one person but for everyone.

If there are things that are Malicious and actively pushing people towards suicide, taking advantage of the desperate or the mentally ill, lying or manipulating like a predator and causing evils into the world. They are still responsible for the damage they do.

If these fellas who killed themselves or tried to kill themselves or had breakdowns or fell into deep depressions, did not go on this show, that would not have occured.

You can't ignore this by going "Well suicide is their choice! Therefore fuck them hope they burn in hell the show is not to blame!" that's lazy.

This is a ridiculous claim
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Yet you can't explain how.

Sure he would have killed himself days after being humiliated on national TV and being told he was an evil person and yelled at by thousands of strangers even if all of that never happened.

Great argument you have there.

Reminds me of that story where a girl intentionally manipulated a boy into commiting suicide, repeatedly telling him that he should while he confinded his depression to her and then tried to claim "Hey I didn't do it, he killed himself!" all the way up until she went to prison.

You are responsible for your actions yes, which means you are responsible for your actions that affect other people.

You can't manipulate and drive people into doing things and then feign innocence and blame them. By your logic (that you yourself can't even defend) Charles Manson did nothing wrong.

People who yell "Fire" in a crowded building did nothing wrong.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Kensaimage posted...

Oh shut the fuck up and stop trying to stir shit up.

Nowhere did this guy imply that what happened was fine. Hes talking about accountability and even acknowledges that these shows arent a good idea. Some of you arent even reading the replies before looking for a witch to burn.

I happen to agree. I dont doubt that what happened didnt contribute to the guy falling off the ledge mentally. But suicide is a choice. Bottom line. The world sucks and people are scumbags, but its up to every person out there on that ledge that needs to make the choice to NOT quit. No matter how badly you want to, or how much outside help you get, it has to be the individual choosing not to quit

Again I have to say this is incredibly lazy logic.

"Well people make the choice to kill themselves therefore no other factors matter!" it's mental varation of sticking fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALALALALALALALALALAALALALALALAALALALA!"

What we do matters. Decisions we undertake matters. Not just for one person but for everyone.

If there are things that are Malicious and actively pushing people towards suicide, taking advantage of the desperate or the mentally ill, lying or manipulating like a predator and causing evils into the world. They are still responsible for the damage they do.

If these fellas who killed themselves or tried to kill themselves or had breakdowns or fell into deep depressions, did not go on this show, that would not have occured.

You can't ignore this by going "Well suicide is their choice! Therefore fuck them hope they burn in hell the show is not to blame!" that's lazy.

Nowhere in my post did I say or imply that. Youre cherry picking from posts and then inserting your own narrative. Its intellectual dishonesty at its finest. Also, actively pushing people towards suicide? Dude, come on. That show is scummy, but Im pretty sure nobody wanted anyone to die.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yet you can't explain how.

Sure he would have killed himself days after being humiliated on national TV and being told he was an evil person and yelled at by thousands of strangers even if all of that never happened.

Great argument you have there.

Reminds me of that story where a girl intentionally manipulated a boy into commiting suicide, repeatedly telling him that he should while he confinded his depression to her and then tried to claim "Hey I didn't do it, he killed himself!" all the way up until she went to prison.

You are responsible for your actions yes, which means you are responsible for your actions that affect other people.

You can't manipulate and drive people into doing things and then feign innocence and blame them. By your logic (that you yourself can't even defend) Charles Manson did nothing wrong.

People who yell "Fire" in a crowded building did nothing wrong.

This is a COMPLETELY different situation and you know it. What she did was actively push someone to kill themselves. Thats not the same thing that happened on that show

they used a fucking lie detector to determine wheter he's telling the truth or not, and then presented that as factual evidence?

are people not aware that lie detectors don't work like that?
they're like one step above going "look me in the eye and say it"
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Kensaimage posted...

This is a COMPLETELY different situation and you know it.

Different? Yes.

Completely? No

Intentional manipulations and predatory actions intentionly preying on people with mental issues and delibrately taking actions that will drive them further towards harm and suicide

What she did was actively push someone to kill themselves. Thats not the same thing that happened on that show

You've switched horses.

Why does this disinction matter unless you're freely admitting that "Suicide is his choice and his actions therefore no other factors matter is utterly incorrect

Now you're arguing "Well those factors were different to these ones!"

Even if true (which is a big if) you've confessed that your "Accountibility! suicide is a choice. Bottom line!" attitude was lazy and incorrect
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Kensaimage posted...

This is a COMPLETELY different situation and you know it.

Different? Yes.

Completely? No

Intentional manipulations and predatory actions intentionly preying on people with mental issues and delibrately taking actions that will drive them further towards harm and suicide

What she did was actively push someone to kill themselves. Thats not the same thing that happened on that show

You've switched horses.

Why does this disinction matter unless you're freely admitting that "Suicide is his choice and his actions therefore no other factors matter is utterly incorrect

Now you're arguing "Well those factors were different to these ones!"

Even if true (which is a big if) you've confessed that your "Accountibility! suicide is a choice. Bottom line!" attitude was lazy and incorrect

Why does the distinction matter? Ill tell you. Its simple.

Yes, its true that both people made choices. However, one was being coached and motivated by a trusted friend to take his life. Thats evil as fuck.

The other was humiliated. If celebrities in the public eye chose to end their lives in the wake of huge twitter controversies, would it be the publics fault? The difference is that everyday life can kick you down. Embarrass you. You could give the wrong guy a bad impression that just happens to be his last straw and hed go home and end it that night. Would that be your fault?

The difference is intent. You are not responsible for somebody elses choices. You are responsible for your own. In one case, a girl actively manipulated a guy into committing suicide. Her INTENT as per your claim was that she WANTED him to commit suicide. The intent of some scummy show is entertainment. No different than a lot of other crap you see on tv. It doesnt excuse the show being scummy, but it exists (or did anyway) cuz people watched and supported it. So you may as well blame every viewer who watched the show, too