Current Events > Jeremy Kyle (UK's Jerry Springer) may be cancelled after guest commits suicide

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Kensaimage posted...

Why does the distinction matter? Ill tell you. Its simple.

Yes, its true that both people made choices. However, one was being coached and motivated by a trusted friend to take his life. Thats evil as fuck.

So you admit your "Accountibility! suicide is a choice. Bottom line!" attitude was lazy and incorrect?

Kensaimage posted...

The other was humiliated. If celebrities in the public eye chose to end their lives in the wake of huge twitter controversies, would it be the publics fault?

Yes.

The difference is that everyday life can kick you down. Embarrass you. You could give the wrong guy a bad impression that just happens to be his last straw and hed go home and end it that night. Would that be your fault?

Depends on what you did. Your wording is intentionally vague to the point of being meaningless.

If you said "Nice Hat" and he hated his hat, then no.

If you kicked him in the balls, took of his clothes, hogtied him, stuck a branch in his ass, fucked his wife and filmed him as you rolled him down a hill.

Then yes.

The difference is intent.

The intent of these shows is to prey on people with mental problems or low intelligence, lie to them, parade them on TV, humiliate them in front of millions and then kick them to the curb.

IT is absolutely cruel and malicious and reponsible for the damage it has done. Accountability. AS you said

You are not responsible for somebody elses choices. You are responsible for your own. In one case, a girl actively manipulated a guy into committing suicide. Her INTENT as per your claim was that she WANTED him to commit suicide.

There is aboslutely no way you can reword or reframe this that doesn't destroy your original "Accountibility! suicide is a choice. Bottom line!" attitude

Now it's "Well other things matter but only if I decide their intent and manipulation was good enough!"

The girl didn't care if the guy lived or died, he was just manipulating him for her amusement.
JK didn't care if the guests live or die, they just manipulate them for amusement.

You can pretend all those things are different if you like but I think you're plain and simply wrong and eiven if you're not, you're still admitting your original point was lazy

So you may as well blame every viewer who watched the show, too

Yeah they are partly to blame too.

What's your point?
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Cherry picking again. You havent addressed intent and why that matters in the context. Just twisted it towards your own narrative and ignored what I said

If you break up with a girl you were leading on and she kills herself, is it your fault?

If you goaded her into committing suicide, is it your fault if she does?

Intent factors into both

Kensaimage posted...

Cherry picking again

Not Cherry Picking at all. I responded to literally everything you said

. You havent addressed intent and why that matters in the context.

Wut

Yes I did.

The intent of these shows is to prey on people with mental problems or low intelligence, lie to them, parade them on TV, humiliate them in front of millions and then kick them to the curb.

IT is absolutely cruel and malicious and reponsible for the damage it has done. Accountability. AS you said

'You are not responsible for somebody elses choices. You are responsible for your own. In one case, a girl actively manipulated a guy into committing suicide. Her INTENT as per your claim was that she WANTED him to commit suicide.'

There is aboslutely no way you can reword or reframe this that doesn't destroy your original "Accountibility! suicide is a choice. Bottom line!" attitude

Now it's "Well other things matter but only if I decide their intent and manipulation was good enough!"

The girl didn't care if the guy lived or died, he was just manipulating him for her amusement.
JK didn't care if the guests live or die, they just manipulate them for amusement.

You can pretend all those things are different if you like but I think you're plain and simply wrong and eiven if you're not, you're still admitting your original point was lazy

You can't just not quote me and then pretend I didn't say anything.... That's asburd.

Just twisted it towards your own narrative and ignored what I said

Da fuck are you on about?

I responded to every single thing you said, meanwhile you ducked what I said.

If you break up with a girl you were leading on and she kills herself, is it your fault?

Without any other context than that, no

If you goaded her into committing suicide, is it your fault if she does?

Without any other context than that, yes.

But once again do you admit your "Accountibility! suicide is a choice. Bottom line!" attitude was lazy and incorrect?

If you ignore that direct question again while hypocritically accusing me of cherry picking while I respond to literally every word you say, I will have no choice to but to assume you're just trolling and put you on ignore.
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