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GasMonkey 05/15/19 8:58:47 AM #1:	https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm Pro-life" states Georgia, Ohio, and Alabama rank #42, #43, and #45 in infant mortality states with the best record are Massachusetts, Washington, California, New Hampshire, and North Dakota. U.S. infant mortality rates (deaths under one year of age per 1,000 live births) are about 71 percent higher than the comparable COUNTRY average" america is finally number 1 in something. --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:921919701] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm Pro-life" states Georgia, Ohio, and Alabama rank #42, #43, and #45 in infant mortality states with the best record are Massachusetts, Washington, California, New Hampshire, and North Dakota. U.S. infant mortality rates (deaths under one year of age per 1,000 live births) are about 71 percent higher than the comparable COUNTRY average" america is finally number 1 in something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 05/15/19 9:38:03 AM #2:	up --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:921920879] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/15/19 9:38:38 AM #3:	Not surprising, still disgusting --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921920903] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Not surprising, still disgusting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KirbyMagicWand 05/15/19 9:39:18 AM #4:	Not surprising at all. --- Black 2 FC: 3654-8394-0937 <cite>KirbyMagicWand posted [p:921920923] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Not surprising at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jborgan 05/15/19 9:41:03 AM #5:	Turns out pro-life laws, especially draconian ones, don't do shit to reduce abortion rates. But you won't get logic from a pro-lifer. --- http://www.last.fm/user/jborgan <cite>jborgan posted [p:921920977] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Turns out pro-life laws, especially draconian ones, don't do shit to reduce abortion rates. But you won't get logic from a pro-lifer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 05/15/19 9:41:29 AM #6:	This isn't a surprise. Prolife = forced birth. That's literally all that means. --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:921920997] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>This isn't a surprise. Prolife = forced birth. That's literally all that means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/15/19 9:42:36 AM #7:	Don't the States that are conservative on sex ed also have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy and abortion? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:921921028] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Don't the States that are conservative on sex ed also have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy and abortion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KirbyMagicWand 05/15/19 9:43:09 AM #8:	hockeybub89 posted... Don't the States that are conservative on sex ed also have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy and abortion? This is correct. --- Black 2 FC: 3654-8394-0937 <cite>KirbyMagicWand posted [p:921921043] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Don't the States that are conservative on sex ed also have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy and abortion?</quote> This is correct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jborgan 05/15/19 9:44:09 AM #9:	hockeybub89 posted... Don't the States that are conservative on sex ed also have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy and abortion? Turns out that trying to prevent teens from having sex will have the opposite effect! But you won't get logic from a pro-lifer. --- http://www.last.fm/user/jborgan <cite>jborgan posted [p:921921084] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Don't the States that are conservative on sex ed also have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy and abortion?</quote> Turns out that trying to prevent teens from having sex will have the opposite effect! But you won't get logic from a pro-lifer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coolboy11 05/15/19 9:45:14 AM #10:	it's like continuously running bad Conservative leaning state governments causes them to be poor gatekeepers of health policy or something like that. might be just be a coincidence doe. --- "A superhero in the flesh, even at my worst I'm the best"-Big KRIT <cite>coolboy11 posted [p:921921116] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>it's like continuously running bad Conservative leaning state governments causes them to be poor gatekeepers of health policy or something like that. might be just be a coincidence doe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 05/15/19 9:45:18 AM #11:	I can attest to the fact that I have never gotten logical conclusions from a pro-lifer. --- Currently playing: Psychonauts, BioShock In limbo: Strider, Jet Force Gemini <cite>davyheinz posted [p:921921118] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>I can attest to the fact that I have never gotten logical conclusions from a pro-lifer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/15/19 9:45:42 AM #12:	I guess I'm not fully sure why those 2 things are have to be tied together. If they had the lowest mortality rate, what would that then infer? I mean, it's not as if you would say the pro life is then good. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921921134] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>I guess I'm not fully sure why those 2 things are have to be tied together. If they had the lowest mortality rate, what would that then infer? I mean, it's not as if you would say the pro life is then good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/15/19 9:46:40 AM #13:	emblem boy posted... I guess I'm not fully sure why those 2 things are have to be tied together. If they had the lowest mortality rate, what would that then infer? I mean, it's not as if you would say the pro life is then good. Hes pointing out that they fucking suck at being pro-life --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921921173] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>I guess I'm not fully sure why those 2 things are have to be tied together. If they had the lowest mortality rate, what would that then infer? I mean, it's not as if you would say the pro life is then good.</quote> Hes pointing out that they fucking suck at being pro-life</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 05/15/19 9:49:00 AM #14:	Sure is teleological in here. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:921921248] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Sure is teleological in here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coolboy11 05/15/19 9:49:32 AM #15:	emblem boy posted... I guess I'm not fully sure why those 2 things are have to be tied together. If they had the lowest mortality rate, what would that then infer? I mean, it's not as if you would say the pro life is then good. not sure if you are being serious or not but many Conservative leaning states have almost comically bad underfunding for childhood services, one of the best ways to drop abortion rates is better sex ed and preventive care funding for children. --- "A superhero in the flesh, even at my worst I'm the best"-Big KRIT <cite>coolboy11 posted [p:921921263] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>I guess I'm not fully sure why those 2 things are have to be tied together. If they had the lowest mortality rate, what would that then infer? I mean, it's not as if you would say the pro life is then good.</quote> not sure if you are being serious or not but many Conservative leaning states have almost comically bad underfunding for childhood services, one of the best ways to drop abortion rates is better sex ed and preventive care funding for children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 05/15/19 9:51:13 AM #16:	Unless you count abortions as infant mortality, that ranking will be entirely off. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:921921318] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Unless you count abortions as infant mortality, that ranking will be entirely off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 05/15/19 9:56:15 AM #17:	It's about protecting the life until it's born, then who cares what happens. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:921921482] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>It's about protecting the life until it's born, then who cares what happens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 05/15/19 9:58:34 AM #18:	pretty bad when some 3rd world dictatorships provide better health care than states in the "best country in the world" --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:921921584] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>pretty bad when some 3rd world dictatorships provide better health care than states in the "best country in the world"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/15/19 10:02:06 AM #19:	coolboy11 posted... emblem boy posted... I guess I'm not fully sure why those 2 things are have to be tied together. If they had the lowest mortality rate, what would that then infer? I mean, it's not as if you would say the pro life is then good. not sure if you are being serious or not but many Conservative leaning states have almost comically bad underfunding for childhood services, one of the best ways to drop abortion rates is better sex ed and preventive care funding for children. I fully agree with that. Completely. Those things should be pushed for in those States. But like that's my point. Even if these same legislators pushed for those things, while also pushing for abortion restrictions, people would still be against the restrictions. I feel like topics like these aren't fully arguing the main idea and are trying to bring outside shit into the conversation. I don't think tcs idea is "since mortality rate is so high, they should have abortions legal", because even if mortality rate was low, he'd still want abortions to be legal. Argue what you believe in. Shrug it's whatever though --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921921705] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>coolboy11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> I guess I'm not fully sure why those 2 things are have to be tied together. If they had the lowest mortality rate, what would that then infer? I mean, it's not as if you would say the pro life is then good.</quote> not sure if you are being serious or not but many Conservative leaning states have almost comically bad underfunding for childhood services, one of the best ways to drop abortion rates is better sex ed and preventive care funding for children.</quote> I fully agree with that. Completely. Those things should be pushed for in those States. But like that's my point. Even if these same legislators pushed for those things, while also pushing for abortion restrictions, people would still be against the restrictions. I feel like topics like these aren't fully arguing the main idea and are trying to bring outside shit into the conversation. I don't think tcs idea is "since mortality rate is so high, they should have abortions legal", because even if mortality rate was low, he'd still want abortions to be legal. Argue what you believe in. Shrug it's whatever though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/15/19 10:04:58 AM #20:	Banning abortions would be terrible regardless, but when these states suck at being pro-life it just makes things worse. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921921798] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Banning abortions would be terrible regardless, but when these states suck at being pro-life it just makes things worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 05/15/19 10:07:42 AM #21:	creativerealms posted... It's about protecting the life until it's born, then who cares what happens. --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:921921883] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>It's about protecting the life until it's born, then who cares what happens.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aressar 05/15/19 10:11:24 AM #22:	Ving_Rhames posted... creativerealms posted... It's about protecting the life until it's born, then who cares what happens. Maybe if we all pray hard enough, God will somehow fix that problem. --- One time, CE triggered me so hard with their objectively wrong opinions that I accidentally punched myself in the balls. <cite>Aressar posted [p:921921997] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ving_Rhames posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>It's about protecting the life until it's born, then who cares what happens.</quote></quote> Maybe if we all pray hard enough, God will somehow fix that problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 05/15/19 10:14:05 AM #23:	Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates? <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:921922088] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EbonTitanium 05/15/19 10:20:11 AM #24:	Ohio has fucked up a district map that gives Repubs too much power. --- I don't know which is worse: fanboys or elitist. <cite>EbonTitanium posted [p:921922319] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Ohio has fucked up a district map that gives Repubs too much power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GasMonkey 05/15/19 10:24:22 AM #25:	Snip-N-Snails posted... Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates? yes, many red states are behind in literally every metric. UN classifies LARGE swaths of our country as 3rd world. basically anywhere outside of blue states and city centers is a just like in Deliverance. i know first hand. im 20min outside of KC. go another 20min away and its a rusty, pothole ridden, deralect building, uneducated utopia with dirty water and hook work epidemics drowning in meth. that is a large chunk of our country. and honestly i dont think they deserve any help. they want their life to be that way. --- life at 165mph <cite>GasMonkey posted [p:921922463] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>Snip-N-Snails posted...</cite> <quote>Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates?</quote> yes, many red states are behind in literally every metric. UN classifies LARGE swaths of our country as 3rd world. basically anywhere outside of blue states and city centers is a just like in Deliverance. i know first hand. im 20min outside of KC. go another 20min away and its a rusty, pothole ridden, deralect building, uneducated utopia with dirty water and hook work epidemics drowning in meth. that is a large chunk of our country. and honestly i dont think they deserve any help. they want their life to be that way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/15/19 10:27:28 AM #26:	GasMonkey posted... Snip-N-Snails posted... Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates? yes, many red states are behind in literally every metric. UN classifies LARGE swaths of our country as 3rd world. basically anywhere outside of blue states and city centers is a just like in Deliverance. i know first hand. im 20min outside of KC. go another 20min away and its a rusty, pothole ridden, deralect building, uneducated utopia with dirty water and hook work epidemics drowning in meth. that is a large chunk of our country. and honestly i dont think they deserve any help. they want their life to be that way. Oh God, don't bring iq into this. Think of the other people who bring iq into conversations. Imagine them saying what you just said --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921922599] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted...</cite> <quote> Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates? </quote> yes, many red states are behind in literally every metric. UN classifies LARGE swaths of our country as 3rd world. basically anywhere outside of blue states and city centers is a just like in Deliverance. i know first hand. im 20min outside of KC. go another 20min away and its a rusty, pothole ridden, deralect building, uneducated utopia with dirty water and hook work epidemics drowning in meth. that is a large chunk of our country. and honestly i dont think they deserve any help. they want their life to be that way.</quote> Oh God, don't bring iq into this. Think of the other people who bring iq into conversations. Imagine them saying what you just said</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 05/15/19 10:31:51 AM #27:	They also have higher maternal mortality rates in general as well. Whether or not that is attributable to overall health or abortion regulations has yet to be proven, since poorer southerners are generally in worse health than northerners. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:921922733] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>They also have higher maternal mortality rates in general as well. Whether or not that is attributable to overall health or abortion regulations has yet to be proven, since poorer southerners are generally in worse health than northerners.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/15/19 10:33:04 AM #28:	emblem boy posted... GasMonkey posted... Snip-N-Snails posted... Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates? yes, many red states are behind in literally every metric. UN classifies LARGE swaths of our country as 3rd world. basically anywhere outside of blue states and city centers is a just like in Deliverance. i know first hand. im 20min outside of KC. go another 20min away and its a rusty, pothole ridden, deralect building, uneducated utopia with dirty water and hook work epidemics drowning in meth. that is a large chunk of our country. and honestly i dont think they deserve any help. they want their life to be that way. Oh God, don't bring iq into this. Think of the other people who bring iq into conversations. Imagine them saying what you just said Pointing out that a state has poor education which is reflected by low IQs is not comparable to racists saying non-white have lower IQs, which I assume is what youre getting at. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921922768] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted...</cite> <quote> Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates? </quote> yes, many red states are behind in literally every metric. UN classifies LARGE swaths of our country as 3rd world. basically anywhere outside of blue states and city centers is a just like in Deliverance. i know first hand. im 20min outside of KC. go another 20min away and its a rusty, pothole ridden, deralect building, uneducated utopia with dirty water and hook work epidemics drowning in meth. that is a large chunk of our country. and honestly i dont think they deserve any help. they want their life to be that way.</quote> Oh God, don't bring iq into this. Think of the other people who bring iq into conversations. Imagine them saying what you just said</quote> Pointing out that a state has poor education which is reflected by low IQs is not comparable to racists saying non-white have lower IQs, which I assume is what youre getting at.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 05/15/19 10:36:20 AM #29:	how anyone can think they can force a woman to do their bidding in this day and age is disgusting anyone "pro life" (most disingenuous label ever) is ruining this country --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:921922873] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>how anyone can think they can force a woman to do their bidding in this day and age is disgusting anyone "pro life" (most disingenuous label ever) is ruining this country</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 05/15/19 10:38:11 AM #30:	Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. --- i7 5820k, 32gig QC, EVGA 1070ti, Samsung 970pro, Asus X99-a deluxe <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:921922947] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/15/19 10:41:54 AM #31:	King_Hellebuyck posted... emblem boy posted... GasMonkey posted... Snip-N-Snails posted... Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates? yes, many red states are behind in literally every metric. UN classifies LARGE swaths of our country as 3rd world. basically anywhere outside of blue states and city centers is a just like in Deliverance. i know first hand. im 20min outside of KC. go another 20min away and its a rusty, pothole ridden, deralect building, uneducated utopia with dirty water and hook work epidemics drowning in meth. that is a large chunk of our country. and honestly i dont think they deserve any help. they want their life to be that way. Oh God, don't bring iq into this. Think of the other people who bring iq into conversations. Imagine them saying what you just said Pointing out that a state has poor education which is reflected by low IQs is not comparable to racists saying non-white have lower IQs, which I assume is what youre getting at. There's a slight difference in the ways those groups bring up iqs. I think people should still be careful in how they bring it up as a statistic to use in an argument --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921923065] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>GasMonkey posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted...</cite> <quote> Dont they also have lower IQ and education rates? </quote> yes, many red states are behind in literally every metric. UN classifies LARGE swaths of our country as 3rd world. basically anywhere outside of blue states and city centers is a just like in Deliverance. i know first hand. im 20min outside of KC. go another 20min away and its a rusty, pothole ridden, deralect building, uneducated utopia with dirty water and hook work epidemics drowning in meth. that is a large chunk of our country. and honestly i dont think they deserve any help. they want their life to be that way. </quote> Oh God, don't bring iq into this. Think of the other people who bring iq into conversations. Imagine them saying what you just said</quote> Pointing out that a state has poor education which is reflected by low IQs is not comparable to racists saying non-white have lower IQs, which I assume is what youre getting at.</quote> There's a slight difference in the ways those groups bring up iqs. I think people should still be careful in how they bring it up as a statistic to use in an argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pogo_rabid 05/15/19 10:59:33 AM #33:	McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. Fetuses arent infants Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do. --- i7 5820k, 32gig QC, EVGA 1070ti, Samsung 970pro, Asus X99-a deluxe <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:921923673] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote>Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic.</quote> Fetuses arent infants</quote> Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/15/19 11:02:47 AM #34:	pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. Fetuses arent infants Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do. . Like, I don't get why we change the words we use to describe the fetus/baby/zygot/whatever, depending on if the woman wants the pregnancy or not. Let's not play phrasing games. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921923787] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote> Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. </quote> Fetuses arent infants</quote> Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do.</quote> . Like, I don't get why we change the words we use to describe the fetus/baby/zygot/whatever, depending on if the woman wants the pregnancy or not. Let's not play phrasing games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem boy 05/15/19 11:05:43 AM #36:	abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921923896] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 05/15/19 11:10:04 AM #38:	emblem boy posted... abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion I don't minimize anymore than any other medical procedure. But it is necessary for both the good of society and of bodily autonomy. Corpses should not have more control over their bodies than pregnant women, or worse, pregnant rape victims or children . --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:921924033] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion</quote> I don't minimize anymore than any other medical procedure. But it is necessary for both the good of society and of bodily autonomy. Corpses should not have more control over their bodies than pregnant women, or worse, pregnant rape victims or children .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 05/15/19 11:12:08 AM #39:	McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. Fetuses arent infants Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do. They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves. So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist? --- i7 5820k, 32gig QC, EVGA 1070ti, Samsung 970pro, Asus X99-a deluxe <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:921924109] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote>Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic.</quote> Fetuses arent infants</quote> Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do.</quote> They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves.</quote> So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/15/19 11:12:59 AM #40:	pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. Fetuses arent infants Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do. They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves. So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist? Whats the point of stupid fucking posts like this? --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921924133] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote>Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic.</quote> Fetuses arent infants</quote> Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do.</quote> They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves.</quote> So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist?</quote> Whats the point of stupid fucking posts like this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/15/19 11:13:47 AM #41:	pogo_rabid posted... Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. Why aren't toddlers counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:921924166] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote>Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic.</quote> Why aren't toddlers counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 05/15/19 11:14:04 AM #42:	King_Hellebuyck posted... pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. Fetuses arent infants Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do. They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves. So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist? Whats the point of stupid fucking posts like this? It's either a baby with rights, or a collection of cells that may as well be a tumor, according to some of you people. Pick one. Don't get angry when you can't have your cake and eat it too. --- i7 5820k, 32gig QC, EVGA 1070ti, Samsung 970pro, Asus X99-a deluxe <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:921924175] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote>Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic.</quote> Fetuses arent infants</quote> Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do.</quote> They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves.</quote> So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist?</quote> Whats the point of stupid fucking posts like this?</quote> It's either a baby with rights, or a collection of cells that may as well be a tumor, according to some of you people. Pick one. Don't get angry when you can't have your cake and eat it too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/15/19 11:14:16 AM #43:	McgeesAlice808 posted... emblem boy posted... abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion All Ive seen you post is emotionally charged concern trolling so forgive me for not taking your statements completely seriously. Examples? hockeybub89 posted... I don't minimize anymore than any other medical procedure. I disagree. hockeybub89 posted... But it is necessary for both the good of society and of bodily autonomy. I agree --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921924184] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion</quote> All Ive seen you post is emotionally charged concern trolling so forgive me for not taking your statements completely seriously.</quote> Examples? <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> I don't minimize anymore than any other medical procedure.</quote> I disagree. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>But it is necessary for both the good of society and of bodily autonomy.</quote> I agree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/15/19 11:15:23 AM #44:	pogo_rabid posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. Fetuses arent infants Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do. They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves. So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist? Whats the point of stupid fucking posts like this? It's either a baby with rights, or a collection of cells that may as well be a tumor, according to some of you people. Pick one. Don't get angry when you can't have your cake and eat it too. Who said a fetus has rights? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:921924230] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote>Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic.</quote> Fetuses arent infants</quote> Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do.</quote> They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves.</quote> So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist?</quote> Whats the point of stupid fucking posts like this?</quote> It's either a baby with rights, or a collection of cells that may as well be a tumor, according to some of you people. Pick one. Don't get angry when you can't have your cake and eat it too.</quote> Who said a fetus has rights?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 05/15/19 11:16:04 AM #45:	emblem boy posted... abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion No one likes abortion, everyone would rather prevent unwanted pregnancies. The problem is the conservative and Republican policy of ignorance. Want to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortion rates? Stop standing in the way of access to birth control, sex education and healthcare. Abstinence is not and will never be an effective policy. --- "If you want to move fast, practice slowly...if you want to move like lightning, practice in stillness." <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:921924253] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion</quote> No one likes abortion, everyone would rather prevent unwanted pregnancies. The problem is the conservative and Republican policy of ignorance. Want to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortion rates? Stop standing in the way of access to birth control, sex education and healthcare. Abstinence is not and will never be an effective policy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Matchabuu_ 05/15/19 11:17:57 AM #46:	jborgan posted... Turns out pro-life laws, especially draconian ones, don't do shit to reduce abortion rates. But you won't get logic from a pro-lifer. --- \o/ uwu SW-0239-3946-8686 <cite>_Matchabuu_ posted [p:921924323] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>jborgan posted...</cite> <quote>Turns out pro-life laws, especially draconian ones, don't do shit to reduce abortion rates. But you won't get logic from a pro-lifer.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/15/19 11:18:12 AM #47:	Taharqa_ posted... No one likes abortion, everyone would rather prevent unwanted pregnancies. No, you see those loose whores love to use abortion as birth control and are just letting out their murderous tendencies legally --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:921924329] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote>No one likes abortion, everyone would rather prevent unwanted pregnancies.</quote> No, you see those loose whores love to use abortion as birth control and are just letting out their murderous tendencies legally</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 05/15/19 11:18:45 AM #48:	Ah I see, so you're falling into the latter camp. I'll be looking forward to you defending baby murderers next time an article comes out about someone getting convicted a double homicide when they kill a pregnant mother. --- i7 5820k, 32gig QC, EVGA 1070ti, Samsung 970pro, Asus X99-a deluxe <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:921924358] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote>Ah I see, so you're falling into the latter camp. I'll be looking forward to you defending baby murderers next time an article comes out about someone getting convicted a double homicide when they kill a pregnant mother.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/15/19 11:19:43 AM #49:	Taharqa_ posted... emblem boy posted... abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion No one likes abortion, everyone would rather prevent unwanted pregnancies. The problem is the conservative and Republican policy of ignorance. Want to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortion rates? Stop standing in the way of access to birth control, sex education and healthcare. Abstinence is not and will never be an effective policy. I mean, I completely agree. People should be careful to not make their arguments sound as if they like abortion. It just hurts the cause --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:921924399] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> abortion shouldn't be strictly illegal, and we should do all we can to lower the amount of abortions that happen, and help people with their pregnancies, but man. Let's not minimize what abortion is. That's really my main issue with some on the pro choice side regarding how they talk about abortion </quote> No one likes abortion, everyone would rather prevent unwanted pregnancies. The problem is the conservative and Republican policy of ignorance. Want to lower unwanted pregnancies and abortion rates? Stop standing in the way of access to birth control, sex education and healthcare. Abstinence is not and will never be an effective policy.</quote> I mean, I completely agree. People should be careful to not make their arguments sound as if they like abortion. It just hurts the cause</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 05/15/19 11:33:54 AM #50:	pogo_rabid posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... McgeesAlice808 posted... pogo_rabid posted... Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic. Fetuses arent infants Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do. They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves. So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist? Whats the point of stupid fucking posts like this? It's either a baby with rights, or a collection of cells that may as well be a tumor, according to some of you people. Pick one. Don't get angry when you can't have your cake and eat it too. Youre making disgusting emotionally charged posts with no substance. Having the right to an abortion is about bodily autonomy. Someone else is violating bodily autonomy whether they force birth or terminating a pregnancy against a persons wishes. This isnt hard to understand. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:921924944] in Pro Life s... [t:77716562]...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>McgeesAlice808 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote>Why aren't abortions counted as part of infant mortality? A death is a death. I'm pro choice, but people on my side are so damn disingenuous when it comes to arguing this topic.</quote> Fetuses arent infants</quote> Then why are they treated like infants in court? We should have the right to abort, but pretending what's inside a pregnant lady isn't a baby is just disingenuous. People's unwillingness to understand where pro life people are coming from (in most cases going out of their way to misrepresent their position) is just a shit tier thing to do. It's something Donald Trump supporters would do.</quote> They shouldnt be. Fetuses are objectively not infants. Infants are specifically after newborns so theyre a few weeks old-1 year old which turns to toddler when they can walk. Idiots trying to equate fetuses to infants are the ones intentionally misrepresenting their position and emotionally charging themselves.</quote> So if a pregnant mother gets injured by someone and the baby dies, the murderer should go free with a slap on the wrist?</quote> Whats the point of stupid fucking posts like this?</quote> It's either a baby with rights, or a collection of cells that may as well be a tumor, according to some of you people. Pick one. Don't get angry when you can't have your cake and eat it too.</quote> Youre making disgusting emotionally charged posts with no substance. Having the right to an abortion is about bodily autonomy. Someone else is violating bodily autonomy whether they force birth or terminating a pregnancy against a persons wishes. This isnt hard to understand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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