Board 8 > Avengers: Endgame Mafia Topic 8

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htaeD posted...

The thing is he should have known Town Vanilla was the norm before he saw Bens claim, but he worded it as if he only learned after he saw bens claim.

well it's true that when I tried to have him explain his reasoning to me all he did was jam his fingers in his ears and go "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY CONVINCE I AM MAFIA SO I DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO YOU LA LA LA"

so I'm not exactly saying he's town. just that people seem to be misunderstanding what happened.

turbopuns3 posted...

I hate to be the one to say it, but

Technically if we all agree someone not-IGCD is scum, we should maybe just lynch them.

We would still lose if IGCD was town and shot a scum Bulletproof. Which, may or may not exist, though if the setup is 4 mafia and 1 independent rather than 5 mafia, a scum BP is more likely.

Then we risk never testing IGCD though. And no I dont think IGCD is town just because he claimed a suicidal role
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Hbthebattle posted...

Also youre (and a bunch of other people) discounting that IGCD has looked scummy as well, and its kinda worrying

You're worried I'm scum with IGCD?

turbopuns3 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Also youre (and a bunch of other people) discounting that IGCD has looked scummy as well, and its kinda worrying

You're worried I'm scum with IGCD?

Im worried that your argument is predicated on you knowing IGCD would flip town, and thus you arent discussing the possibility of him flipping scum. In short, Im worried that you may have just made a scum slip.
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Cam is town because he is town vanilla. If he is a role that moves his entire logic is bullshit.
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Hbthebattle posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Also youre (and a bunch of other people) discounting that IGCD has looked scummy as well, and its kinda worrying

You're worried I'm scum with IGCD?

Im worried that your argument is predicated on you knowing IGCD would flip town, and thus you arent discussing the possibility of him flipping scum. In short, Im worried that you may have just made a scum slip.

Scanner town. Waste of time arguing the scanner town guy is scum. Tho godfather neighbor is amusing.
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Scanner*
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Hbthebattle posted...

Im worried that your argument is predicated on you knowing IGCD would flip town, and thus you arent discussing the possibility of him flipping scum. In short, Im worried that you may have just made a scum slip.

Oh. Well, good news because my argument isn't predicated on knowing IGCD would flip town. It simply accounts for the possibility of him flipping town. No slip to be found!

Scanned*
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htaeD posted...

Then we risk never testing IGCD though. And no I dont think IGCD is town just because he claimed a suicidal role

This isn't true because we could lynch a scum BP obviously

I mean it does risk it to *some* degree.

Just paranoid because IF scum has a BP and IGCD is town, all they have to do is bus their BP to win.

Lynch who is scum. If IGCD is town, the best usage of that is at end game anyways.

Just like any arguments of puns being godfather are dumb unless at mylo because scum will probably shoot him if he is town anyways before that.
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Corrik7 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Also youre (and a bunch of other people) discounting that IGCD has looked scummy as well, and its kinda worrying

You're worried I'm scum with IGCD?

Im worried that your argument is predicated on you knowing IGCD would flip town, and thus you arent discussing the possibility of him flipping scum. In short, Im worried that you may have just made a scum slip.

Scanner town. Waste of time arguing the scanner town guy is scum. Tho godfather neighbor is amusing.

Godfather exists, you know. And we can't be sure that Puns is a neighbor at all.
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I'm not saying we should lynch puns right now. I'm saying that his word isn't gospel for being scanned by a cop.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Also youre (and a bunch of other people) discounting that IGCD has looked scummy as well, and its kinda worrying

You're worried I'm scum with IGCD?

Im worried that your argument is predicated on you knowing IGCD would flip town, and thus you arent discussing the possibility of him flipping scum. In short, Im worried that you may have just made a scum slip.

Scanner town. Waste of time arguing the scanner town guy is scum. Tho godfather neighbor is amusing.

Godfather exists, you know. And we can't be sure that Puns is a neighbor at all.

Unless him and sultan are both scum, he is confirmed a neighbor.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Do you think ANYONE has played this game like a Mafia Bulletproof? A good scum BP will just claim vig so the town vig shoots them.

This coming from a guy who's been quoted saying he's not a fan of "please scan me" plays by godfathers.

I don't put nearly enough weight in the idea of there being some universally recognizable "scum BP" tell that one should just assume there isn't one. I also fundamentally disagree that a good scum BP would just claim vig. But eh this is a pretty insignificant tangent.

Corrik7 posted...

Lynch who is scum. If IGCD is town, the best usage of that is at end game anyways.

Just like any arguments of puns being godfather are dumb unless at mylo because scum will probably shoot him if he is town anyways before that.

This is endgame according to your statistics.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

If Puns is Godfather Neighbor then congrats to him. There are like 6 people I would lynch before him and I would blame Nana for making such a dumb role in the first place.

Mafia neighbor with Mafia Godfather neighbor. The ultimate middle finger to town. lol.

htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Lynch who is scum. If IGCD is town, the best usage of that is at end game anyways.

Just like any arguments of puns being godfather are dumb unless at mylo because scum will probably shoot him if he is town anyways before that.

This is endgame according to your statistics.

Final 3 endgame
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Hey the one time I claimed vig as mafia BP didnt work out at all, so I dont buy into that logic.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also I kind of like Death owning up to his vote compared to IGCD who has clearly refused to talk about it.

I did talk about it.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Post.

Explain your vote on Ben, please.

I dont remember.

Um.. No. This is all you've said on the matter. You avoided giving any real answer.

I'm not 100% sure what you want than.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

IGCD, there is no "I might shoot Ulti or Corrik" play on the off chance you're town. You are shooting Corrik, the actual scum in this game. We have a flipped cop and I'm an uncountered miller. There's a reason the entire game stopped being dumb regarding my alignment, and if you want to shoot me and end the game for town it's just dumb.

Frankly the only reason you should get lynched first before Corrik is it removes the doubt about you later. We need to lynch you with your role anyway so we might as well just get it done today. Either you flip scum or you're telling the truth and Corrik goes down with you. Corrik, whose play is pretty much 100% scum to the point everything he says today is WIFOM, dies either way. Your terrible vote yesterday means you don't get to decide much of anything. Town is doing it for you. Sorry, but those are the breaks.

I'll shoot whoever I fucking want. I'm not some serial killer you can leash.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Actually. Better question.

Do you think ANYONE has played this game like a Mafia Bulletproof? A good scum BP will just claim vig so the town vig shoots them. It's also balanced out by town having a strongman or a poison. Unless I'm blind, I haven't seen evidence for either.

My guess is this is a low power game and scum has no BP. I've also seen variations on Vengeful that go through BP, aka the Bomb variety.

This seems like the worst play ever by a scum bp.
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Corrik7 posted...

htaeD posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Lynch who is scum. If IGCD is town, the best usage of that is at end game anyways.

Just like any arguments of puns being godfather are dumb unless at mylo because scum will probably shoot him if he is town anyways before that.

This is endgame according to your statistics.

Final 3 endgame

No player should be considered 'dont lynch' until final 3, IMO.
Granted, I am erring on IGCD being town. But If we fear hitting a BP today, we might fear it all game.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

All I really have to call Sultan town is the "seems innocent" argument. Which isn't nothing, but, I've made that call in error in the past when I had not a neighbor but just a scum who was sticking close by my side (prof)

Do you think Scum Sultan has the stones to put a vote down on Town Ulti? I imagine at some point behind the scenes you've told him how I get when people try to mislynch me.

"Seems innocent" is a good argument more often than most, and either way Sultan is not a lynch I'm even remotely close to entertaining. Corrik, IGCD, and Cam are all blatant scum. Just need to get town on board with the IGCD-shoots-Corrik plan.

No you need to get me on board with that plan, town just needs to get on board with my lynch.
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Still unsure of IGCDs claim. I have reason to believe it is true and a couple of reasons to think it is untrue. My gut was it is true.

Tho I am kinda amused that him refusing to shoot who town says so vehemently is a ploy to get out of the Lynch. I mean how hard is it to say sure and shoot whoever the hell you want. You will be confirmed town no matter who u shoot. What they gonna do about it then. Game will be over or u will be confirmed town. Who cares who they told u to.
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I think he is town.
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Hey, Scum Bomb is still banned right?
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Hey, Scum Bomb is still banned right?

Duh. Can't be punished to Lynch correctly
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Corrik7 posted...

Still unsure of IGCDs claim. I have reason to believe it is true and a couple of reasons to think it is untrue. My gut was it is true.

Tho I am kinda amused that him refusing to shoot who town says so vehemently is a ploy to get out of the Lynch. I mean how hard is it to say sure and shoot whoever the hell you want. You will be confirmed town no matter who u shoot. What they gonna do about it then. Game will be over or u will be confirmed town. Who cares who they told u to.

This is true, but I'm also very defiant.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Hey, Scum Bomb is still banned right?

I'm also not a bomb.
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Does anyone have a case as to why Crescent is town or scum?

turbopuns3 posted...

Does anyone have a case as to why Crescent is town or scum?

I don't have a strong case outside of possible Poe which is why I see no reason to bark up that tree today
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UltimaterializerX posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I think he is town.

##Vote: IGCD

You're clearly just going to flip scum. Waste of time discussing "who you're going to shoot".

I'm even willing to risk putting you at -5 and risking the speedyhammer. I am that sure you're scum and you're just claiming a suicidal role for the hell of it.

Alternatively, on the off chance you actually are town (lol), my vote will prove Scare is scum. I'm good either way.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This is true, but I'm also very defiant.

This is also not a town player's attitude as possible mylo. I've seen enough when I look at your play today -- the unwillingness to help town at all -- compared with your terrible votes yesterday.

I mean we're talking about a guy who rolled town, lied saying he hadn't ever checked his role PM yet, was put at -1 like 5 hours into the game, still refused to claim, and got hammered less than 12 hours into day 1.

Granted there's a lot more on the line here.

turbopuns3 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This is true, but I'm also very defiant.

This is also not a town player's attitude as possible mylo. I've seen enough when I look at your play today -- the unwillingness to help town at all -- compared with your terrible votes yesterday.

I mean we're talking about a guy who rolled town, lied saying he hadn't ever checked his role PM yet, was put at -1 like 5 hours into the game, still refused to claim, and got hammered less than 12 hours into day 1.

Granted there's a lot more on the line here.

The biggest thing people never seem to want to bring up is I get modkilled as scum like 95% of the time. I'm no good at pretending to not know what's going on.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

The biggest thing people never seem to want to bring up is I get modkilled as scum like 95% of the time. I'm no good at pretending to not know what's going on.

who are your town reads other than corrik?

Camarija posted...

As for these jokers:

Cam - 2 - Eaedward, Sultan

I've accrued hate from basically everyone this game from my style

It's not without cause that I'm being voted for personal reasons

But logically, given all the real emotions I've generated, I think it would be foolish to believe I could be Mafia with any of those players

Puns, if you still think Sultan is Town, talk Sultan off the ledge please

Its not personal.

eaedwards6400 posted...

Camarija posted...

##unvote
##vote: Ben

Cam, what was the purpose of this literal last second vote for Ben? IT comes in at 9:59:58.

Camarija posted...

UnderUrMattress posted...

Is anyone unclaimed?

Me

I'm Howard Stark from the 1970's - Town Vanilla

##Vote: Cam

He literally asked the town yesterday what we call a regular old Villager and then he claims Vanilla? That doesn't seem right.

eaedwards6400 posted...

Camarija posted...

:shrug:

I've just never heard it said Town Vanilla before

I would have thought it would have set off alarms from people that are regulars here

Really, here are a few examples:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/22591?p=3243171&viewfull=1#post3243171

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Townie
"Players who have no extraordinary abilities are specifically called Vanilla Townies (abbreviated as VT)."

How would he never heard of it if it is his role? Damn, really wish I would have stuck with my guns the other day.

You contradicted yourself. That's what scum does. It is more obvious than anyone else in the field. That's why you have my vote. Don't you dare forget it.
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