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Blue_Inigo
05/28/19 6:11:55 PM
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Who decides whether a bed is feminine or masculine?
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/28/19 6:13:39 PM
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Grammatical gender isn't the same as biological gender. They just call it gender because it's a convenient comparison.
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Blue_Inigo
05/28/19 6:14:19 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Grammatical gender isn't the same as biological gender. They just call it gender because it's a convenient comparison.

It's still a gender. The languages still decide whether something is masculine or feminine
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JuanCarlos1
05/28/19 6:15:23 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Who decides whether a bed is feminine or masculine?


Vowel a at the end of "cama" So you would use article "La" before it.
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UnholyMudcrab
05/28/19 6:16:27 PM
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English might have some crazy spelling and pronunciation rules, but it has some pretty simple grammar, all things considered.
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mech dragon
05/28/19 6:16:28 PM
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it's called feminine and masculine, but linguistically, you can think of them as "category A" and "category B". It's arbitrary.
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Hexenherz
05/28/19 6:16:30 PM
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Who decides whether a bed is feminine or masculine?


Vowel a at the end of "cama" So you would use article "La" before it.

Yeah usually in languages with gender you look at the endings to determine what the gender is.
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ThyCorndog
05/28/19 6:17:14 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Who decides whether a bed is feminine or masculine?

check its tag
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/28/19 6:29:03 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Grammatical gender isn't the same as biological gender. They just call it gender because it's a convenient comparison.

It's still a gender. The languages still decide whether something is masculine or feminine

They call it masculine and feminine because those happen to be the genders that line up with biologically male and female words.

So in German, you have der Mann (the man) and die Frau (the woman). Because of this, they end up calling any word using der "masculine" and any word using die "feminine". "Der Stuhl" (the chair) doesn't necessarily have any actual masculine qualities about it, but it uses the same articles as "Mann" so it's therefore given the grammatical category of masculine.

Grammatical gender sometimes doesn't even necessarily line up with biologically gendered words either. For instance "das Mdchen" (the girl). "Das" is neuter.
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looked
05/28/19 6:40:17 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
JuanCarlos1 posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Who decides whether a bed is feminine or masculine?


Vowel a at the end of "cama" So you would use article "La" before it.

Yeah usually in languages with gender you look at the endings to determine what the gender is.


I think he gets that part already, hes asking who decided the bed was feminine? Why isnt it el camo?
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gguirao
05/31/19 4:26:45 AM
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Le sigh...
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MedeaLysistrata
05/31/19 4:29:17 AM
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It has a lot to do with the Gaze function, but let's not import semiotics into grammar
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foreverzero212
05/31/19 4:40:41 AM
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mech dragon posted...
it's called feminine and masculine, but linguistically, you can think of them as "category A" and "category B". It's arbitrary.

But why even go through the trouble of creating these categories for no reason is what I've always wondered. What's the point of having type a/b of "the." English isn't missing anything without it.
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A5modeu5
05/31/19 4:45:56 AM
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In German a bed has no gender.
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DrizztLink
05/31/19 4:48:08 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Who decides whether a bed is feminine or masculine?

check its tag

So if you cut the tag off a mattress, is it androgynous?

And also you're in jail.
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MedeaLysistrata
05/31/19 4:48:18 AM
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A5modeu5 posted...
In German a bed has no gender.

"Collapsing into bed after a day at the factory"

"Collapsing into bed after a day at the Allied munitions factory"
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DarthWendy
05/31/19 5:59:08 AM
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Imagine speaking a troglodyte language where nouns aren't masculine or feminine.
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TwoDoorPunkCab
05/31/19 6:03:20 AM
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la feminine penis
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Noumas
05/31/19 6:03:33 AM
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iirc I think it depends on the type of bed. Like harder beds are obviously masculine while softer beds are more feminine
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Yomi
05/31/19 6:04:29 AM
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Noumas posted...
iirc I think it depends on the type of bed. Like harder beds are obviously masculine while softer beds are more feminine
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Foppe
05/31/19 7:05:21 AM
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By Celestias beard, are we getting offended by how languages have been working for thousands of years now?
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MedeaLysistrata
05/31/19 7:06:18 AM
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I heard a rumour that conjugation was developed by monks in monasteries

Not like they have much else to do
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teepan95
05/31/19 7:41:03 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
JuanCarlos1 posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Who decides whether a bed is feminine or masculine?


Vowel a at the end of "cama" So you would use article "La" before it.

Yeah usually in languages with gender you look at the endings to determine what the gender is.

German laughs in your face
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Laserion
05/31/19 8:16:25 AM
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foreverzero212 posted...
English isn't missing anything without it.

Because English only has "the", and English has "it".
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El Mexicano Texano
05/31/19 8:34:31 AM
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Hexenherz
05/31/19 5:27:01 PM
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teepan95 posted...
Hexenherz posted...
JuanCarlos1 posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Who decides whether a bed is feminine or masculine?


Vowel a at the end of "cama" So you would use article "La" before it.

Yeah usually in languages with gender you look at the endings to determine what the gender is.

German laughs in your face

Eh there are still some general rules you can apply to get the gender right frequently. And for speaking purposes literally everyone I've talked to in Germany has been really nice and understands when I speak, even when I'm sure I'm misgendering things left and right. For writing it doesn't help as much but I don't write much in German.

foreverzero212 posted...
mech dragon posted...
it's called feminine and masculine, but linguistically, you can think of them as "category A" and "category B". It's arbitrary.

But why even go through the trouble of creating these categories for no reason is what I've always wondered. What's the point of having type a/b of "the." English isn't missing anything without it.

Helps clarify which nouns you're talking about in sentences since those languages also don't necessarily have the same sentence structure that we have in English.
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CableZL
05/31/19 5:30:29 PM
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sauceje
05/31/19 5:32:37 PM
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Portuguese also. And you have to Capitalize every noun in German along with there being three grammatical genders.
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DarthWendy
05/31/19 6:43:07 PM
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Crono99 posted...
But then again, both male and female genitals are masculine.

Tu parles du minou, ou de la foufoune ? Et la ququette alors, qu'est-ce qu'on en fait ? :D
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DrizztLink
05/31/19 10:57:41 PM
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Crono99 posted...
DarthWendy posted...
Crono99 posted...
But then again, both male and female genitals are masculine.

Tu parles du minou, ou de la foufoune ? Et la ququette alors, qu'est-ce qu'on en fait ? :D


On touche pas la ququette <_<

Et en qubcois on dit minoune pas minou >_>

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dr_marble
05/31/19 11:05:04 PM
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I feel like this topic is spiraling around an argument about the difference between sex and gender. Not that I'm, uh pushing it into that or anything.

Crono99 posted...
CableZL posted...
Who assumed the bed's gender?


No one is assuming anything. The bed is masculine. Anything else is grammatically incorrect. In French anyway.

Most of us don't actually believe that a bed is physiologically male or is capable of fathering children, however. It's simply a grammatical rule, not a biological one.

But more importantly, the Hitchhiker's Guide tells me that beds do have sex.
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KILBOTz
05/31/19 11:06:42 PM
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Blue_Inigo
05/31/19 11:11:21 PM
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KILBOTz posted...
TCs mom is a noun.

Watch your fucking mouth
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KILBOTz
05/31/19 11:28:05 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
KILBOTz posted...
TCs mom is a noun.

Watch your fucking mouth


My mouth is also a noun.
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spudger
05/31/19 11:28:36 PM
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KILBOTz posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
KILBOTz posted...
TCs mom is a noun.

Watch your fucking mouth


My mouth is also a noun.

my noun is a mouth
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TeaMilk
05/31/19 11:33:08 PM
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dr_marble
05/31/19 11:46:21 PM
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spudger posted...
KILBOTz posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
KILBOTz posted...
TCs mom is a noun.

Watch your fucking mouth


My mouth is also a noun.

my noun is a mouth

A feminine noun whaaaaat
In spanish anyway
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The Admiral
06/01/19 12:03:54 AM
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There is no real logic behind it in either language, which always annoyed me. It's just additional memorization until the language becomes intuitive, and it doesn't add any usefulness to the languages.
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Unsugarized_Foo
06/01/19 12:06:40 AM
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My college had a presentation about a genderless Spanish or something. Instead or -a -o, it was -x

Nobody went to it
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