Current Events > CNN guy: kids are dying at the border. GOP guy: Fine.

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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1133545019204407296
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kids are dying everywhere tbqh
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womp womp

There are a lot of bad things happening in the world that we arent morally responsible for. Its sad, but what should we do about it?

Im all for ending the war on drugs, and that would probably help Latin America.
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A 4-second clip taken from a 10 minute interview. I am certain the full context is there.
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ah yes @Antifar posting his clearly non-bias posts.

kayoticdreamz posted...

ah yes @Antifar posting his clearly non-bias posts.

I never claim to be unbiased.
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The Admiral posted...

A 4-second clip taken from a 10 minute interview. I am certain the full context is there.

I can't wait for our liberal majority here to tell you how wrong your common sense fact post is!

Antifar posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

ah yes @Antifar posting his clearly non-bias posts.

I never claim to be unbiased.

i can't even imagine where anyone got the idea to pin non-bias on you
flat out disingenuous
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that dude's face
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Its just a symbolic clip.
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The Admiral posted...

A 4-second clip taken from a 10 minute interview. I am certain the full context is there.

in what context is that response ok?
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Damn

Im actually gonna do this

Looks to me he was saying fine to deal with the kids but due to audio delays Chris was saying theyre dying right as hes responding

If you watch the 37 second clip above you can see theres some delay throughout and the dude does a huge gulp right after hearing Cuomo say theyre dying

Im all for catching these people in their own shit, but this one seems like audio delay
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life is life
you're not going to make me feel bad about it bro
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tennisdude818 posted...

There are a lot of bad things happening in the world that we arent morally responsible for.

Okay? This is something we are morally responsible for.

The Admiral posted...

A 4-second clip taken from a 10 minute interview. I am certain the full context is there.

What context could possibly paint this statement in a better light?
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IMNOTRAGED posted...

This is something we are morally responsible for.

how so
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Damn

Im actually gonna do this

Looks to me he was saying fine to deal with the kids but due to audio delays Chris was saying theyre dying right as hes responding

If you watch the 37 second clip above you can see theres some delay throughout and the dude does a huge gulp right after hearing Cuomo say theyre dying

Im all for catching these people in their own shit, but this one seems like audio delay

I agree entirely and I bet this post will be mostly ignored.
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He was saying no to there not being enough time to debate.

Again watch the clip that one is responding to

Its a nice little gotcha the way its framed, but considering Cuomo didnt even attempt to pounce on that opportunity, I think audio delay is what happened
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The Trent posted...

IMNOTRAGED posted...

This is something we are morally responsible for.

how so

Just one example of several

https://thepanoptic.co.uk/2016/11/19/american-intervention-guatemala/

The USs original goal in Guatemala, in 1954, was to contain the spread of communism. This goal was achieved, but at what price? The price was, foremost, the death of approximately 200,000 civilians; the price was the complete political corruption of Guatemala, and a reorientation of its political class back towards an autocratic and corrupt armed forces; the price was the destruction of the Guatemalan economy, despite the fact that a secondary goal of the 1954 coup was to keep Guatemala open to US capital.

Arguably, too, the strategy was not the only one available. Although communism was wiped out in the end, genocide was by no means the most effective strategy to achieve the United States goal. Additionally, the social costs, despite Guatemalas eventual transition to democracy, (if it can even be called that, since real democracy depends on at least a fairly equal society which Guatemala today is not, and ignoring the fact that the 1944-54 governments were already democratic,) are still being felt today: the indigenous population has had its connection to the land irrevocably severed in favour of big businesses ability to exploit that land; and even in 2000, 56.0 percent of Guatemalas population remained in poverty. The neo-feudalism of the economy has gone, however only because the vast majority of the Maya have been wiped from the land. As Landau argues, US policy was genocide, called by other names and justified as an anti-communist war strategy.

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But more directly because the deaths being talked about have occurred in federal custody.
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i didn't do any of those things and i don't feel morally responsible for any of those things

curious, what responsibility do the parents bear?
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The Trent posted...

i didn't do any of those things and i don't feel morally responsible for any of those things

curious, what responsibility do the parents bear?

For trying to take their children somewhere they can have a better, safer life?
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I listened to a podcast with an ex-mexican cop regarding the caravan groups.

What you see in the media is...(GASP), not how things are in reality. I hate that these parents killed their kids with good intentions. Just like the anti vaxxers.
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The23rdMagus posted...

The Trent posted...

i didn't do any of those things and i don't feel morally responsible for any of those things

curious, what responsibility do the parents bear?

For trying to take their children somewhere they can have a better, safer life?

that's not an answer, that's just another question
the answer you seem to be going with is "none in this situation" ?
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Pro lifers:Kids are dying
Democrats: fine
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Squall28 posted...

Pro lifers:Kids are dying
Democrats: fine

You tried.
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The Trent posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

The Trent posted...

i didn't do any of those things and i don't feel morally responsible for any of those things

curious, what responsibility do the parents bear?

For trying to take their children somewhere they can have a better, safer life?

that's not an answer, that's just another question
the answer you seem to be going with is "none in this situation" ?

If your argument is "kids die everywhere" when parents specifically bring their children out of dangerous situations, through dangerous situations, to be under our protection...I don't know what to say about your sense of moral responsibility.
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my moral responsibility is not far reaching
i don't feel responsible for other people's children

pretty simple statements
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The Trent posted...

IMNOTRAGED posted...

This is something we are morally responsible for.

how so

they're dying in our detention centers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/15/migrant-child-dies-us-border-patrol-guatemala/3689261002/
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Sackgurl posted...

The Trent posted...

IMNOTRAGED posted...

This is something we are morally responsible for.

how so

they're dying in our detention centers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/15/migrant-child-dies-us-border-patrol-guatemala/3689261002/

But he's not the one running the detention centers. How could he be responsible? /s
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Sackgurl posted...

The Trent posted...

IMNOTRAGED posted...

This is something we are morally responsible for.

how so

they're dying in our detention centers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/15/migrant-child-dies-us-border-patrol-guatemala/3689261002/

That may be, but if illegal immigrants are bringing sick and malnourished kids the border, and they die in custody, that's not the fault of the U.S.

But I would argue that dragging a child through the desert for days without proper food/water like many of these parents do trying to reach the border does place a far greater burden of responsibility on them.
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The Trent posted...

i didn't do any of those things and i don't feel morally responsible for any of those things

curious, what responsibility do the parents bear?

And yet you feel compelled to tell anyone who would hear how little you care, like it's some badge of honor for you.
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The Admiral posted...

Sackgurl posted...

The Trent posted...

IMNOTRAGED posted...

This is something we are morally responsible for.

how so

they're dying in our detention centers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/15/migrant-child-dies-us-border-patrol-guatemala/3689261002/

That may be, but if illegal immigrants are bringing sick and malnourished kids the border, and they die in custody, that's not the fault of the U.S.

But I would argue that dragging a child through the desert for days without proper food/water like many of these parents do trying to reach the border does place a far greater burden of responsibility on them.

If only they had proper food and water.
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The Admiral posted...

But I would argue that dragging a child through the desert for days without proper food/water like many of these parents do trying to reach the border does place a far greater burden of responsibility on them.

and i would argue that those who are prosecuting the people who leave food and water for them, and are destroying those supplies, bear the greatest burden of responsibility of all

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/they-left-food-water-migrants-desert-now-they-might-go-prison/?utm_term=.999a72669216

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/28/725716169/extending-zero-tolerance-to-people-who-help-migrants-along-the-border
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The23rdMagus posted...

The Admiral posted...

Sackgurl posted...

The Trent posted...

IMNOTRAGED posted...

This is something we are morally responsible for.

how so

they're dying in our detention centers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/15/migrant-child-dies-us-border-patrol-guatemala/3689261002/

That may be, but if illegal immigrants are bringing sick and malnourished kids the border, and they die in custody, that's not the fault of the U.S.

But I would argue that dragging a child through the desert for days without proper food/water like many of these parents do trying to reach the border does place a far greater burden of responsibility on them.

If only they had proper food and water.

whose job is it to give children food and water?

Fam_Fam posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

The Admiral posted...

Sackgurl posted...

The Trent posted...

IMNOTRAGED posted...

This is something we are morally responsible for.

how so

they're dying in our detention centers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/15/migrant-child-dies-us-border-patrol-guatemala/3689261002/

That may be, but if illegal immigrants are bringing sick and malnourished kids the border, and they die in custody, that's not the fault of the U.S.

But I would argue that dragging a child through the desert for days without proper food/water like many of these parents do trying to reach the border does place a far greater burden of responsibility on them.

If only they had proper food and water.

whose job is it to give children food and water?

In order to give children food and water, one has to have food and water. I mean, there were groups leaving water along common paths to make things safer, but...
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amazing how many right wing cemen dgaf about living children but bitch a fit over a zygote

a-fucking-mazing
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The23rdMagus posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

The Admiral posted...

Sackgurl posted...

The Trent posted...

IMNOTRAGED posted...

This is something we are morally responsible for.

how so

they're dying in our detention centers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/15/migrant-child-dies-us-border-patrol-guatemala/3689261002/

That may be, but if illegal immigrants are bringing sick and malnourished kids the border, and they die in custody, that's not the fault of the U.S.

But I would argue that dragging a child through the desert for days without proper food/water like many of these parents do trying to reach the border does place a far greater burden of responsibility on them.

If only they had proper food and water.

whose job is it to give children food and water?

In order to give children food and water, one has to have food and water. I mean, there were groups leaving water along common paths to make things safer, but...

you didn't answer the question.

Who is responsible for getting food and water for children?

We can do the following:

1. Stop meddling in the affairs of other countries

2. End the war on drugs

3. Crack down on sanctuary cities, employers who hire illegals, and make damn sure that social programs dont fund illegals. You have to crack down on that when you neighbor unstable 3rd world countries. Their population is probably growing faster than they pour over the border, so this will never end otherwise.
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Fam_Fam posted...

you didn't answer the question.

Who is responsible for getting food and water for children?

The parents. Now where is the food and water? What location has food and water, and the opportunity to work safely for more food and water?

Now you have the answer to "why are the parents bringing their children on a dangerous journey?"
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tennisdude818 posted...

3. Crack down on sanctuary cities, employers who hire illegals, and make damn sure that social programs dont fund illegals. You have to crack down on that when you neighbor unstable 3rd world countries. Their population is probably growing faster than they pour over the border, so this will never end otherwise.

this would all be very costly and have a negative impact on public safety

you could just let people come here unharassed, what happened to that option?
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Balrog0 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

3. Crack down on sanctuary cities, employers who hire illegals, and make damn sure that social programs dont fund illegals. You have to crack down on that when you neighbor unstable 3rd world countries. Their population is probably growing faster than they pour over the border, so this will never end otherwise.

this would all be very costly and have a negative impact on public safety

you could just let people come here unharassed, what happened to that option?

We dont live in ancapistan. I wish we did.
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you don't have to live in a lawless world to allow people to cross borders, so I'm not sure I understand the relevance of that statement

the desire to either direct lower levels of government to enforce federal law or vastly expand the resources and power of federal government trips me out when it comes from libertarians, even though I understand the point is usually made in bad faith as a way to speak against public assistance programs
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Balrog0 posted...

you don't have to live in a lawless world to allow people to cross borders, so I'm not sure I understand the relevance of that statement

the desire to either direct lower levels of government to enforce federal law or vastly expand the resources and power of federal government trips me out when it comes from libertarians, even though I understand the point is usually made in bad faith as a way to speak against public assistance programs

I brought up ancapistan because you cant mix open borders with a welfare state.

You would be in favor of just taking our status quo, and adding a rule that if you can get youself and your kids here you are all citizens? And you can go to our schools, emergency rooms, etc.?
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tennisdude818 posted...

I brought up ancapistan because you cant mix open borders with a welfare state.

Sure you can

tennisdude818 posted...

You would be in favor of just taking our status quo, and adding a rule that if you can get youself and your kids here you are all citizens? And you can go to our schools, emergency rooms, etc.?

Well, maybe, but those are bad examples because those are two of the public programs that undocumented immigrants can participate in already. That's because the federal government generally doesn't have direct domain over school districts or hospital administration, and the federal government has exclusive domain over immigration enforcement. Most of the things you consider welfare are not accessible to undocumented immigrants. The reason places like CIS say that immigrants benefit from public assistance programs is because we have birthright citizenship and their children are citizens who do qualify for things like SNAP, CHIP, etc. But barring immigration on that basis is no different than barring childbearing to people of certain incomes because welfare exists. Seems pretty perverse to me

The real question, as far as I'm concerned, are what the realistic alternatives are. I'm skeptical that government immigration enforcement does much to change overall immigration patterns because governments aren't that powerful, which makes the whole immigration enforcement apparatus we have wasteful on its own terms even if you believe in it.
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