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LordRazziel 06/04/19 6:18:10 PM #1:	Should insurance companies be required to cover preexisting conditions? - Results (30 votes) They should 70% (21 votes) 21 They shouldn't 30% (9 votes) 9 Should insurance companies be required to cover preexisting conditions? --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922791310] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote> Should insurance companies be required to cover preexisting conditions? - Results (30 votes) They should 70% (21 votes) 21 They shouldn't 30% (9 votes) 9 Should insurance companies be required to cover preexisting conditions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
philsov 06/04/19 6:20:37 PM #2:	There needs to be safeguards in place so someone can't game the system by never paying for insurance, suddenly hopping on when they need it after the fact, and hoping to get full coverage. It's like getting into an auto accident, at fault, and then asking the insurance company to provide retroactive liability coverage. Insurance only works when people who don't actively need it also chip in. --- Remember that I won't rest, 'til we share the same tense Just know, to me, you're better late than never again. <cite>philsov posted [p:922791414] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>There needs to be safeguards in place so someone can't game the system by never paying for insurance, suddenly hopping on when they need it after the fact, and hoping to get full coverage. It's like getting into an auto accident, at fault, and then asking the insurance company to provide retroactive liability coverage. Insurance only works when people who don't actively need it also chip in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 06/04/19 6:22:46 PM #3:	Loaded question There should not be health insurance companies --- Buffalo Bills <cite>theAteam posted [p:922791502] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>Loaded question There should not be health insurance companies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 06/04/19 6:23:14 PM #4:	theAteam posted... Loaded question There should not be health insurance companies <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922791518] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>theAteam posted...</cite> <quote>Loaded question There should not be health insurance companies</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 06/04/19 6:23:40 PM #5:	Of course. --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:922791533] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>Of course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 6:25:06 PM #6:	_Rinku_ posted... theAteam posted... Loaded question There should not be health insurance companies Why not? --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922791585] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>theAteam posted...</cite> <quote>Loaded question There should not be health insurance companies</quote></quote> Why not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 06/04/19 6:26:55 PM #7:	insurance companies rip people off especially auto insurance. gotta pay to be legal to drive. --- The act of treachery is an art, but the traitor himself is a piece of **** - Mike Tyson <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:922791657] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>insurance companies rip people off especially auto insurance. gotta pay to be legal to drive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/04/19 6:27:30 PM #8:	_Rinku_ posted... theAteam posted... Loaded question There should not be health insurance companies --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:922791679] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>theAteam posted...</cite> <quote>Loaded question There should not be health insurance companies</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 6:30:27 PM #9:	It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922791796] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 6:32:07 PM #10:	kingdrake2 posted... insurance companies rip people off especially auto insurance. gotta pay to be legal to drive. It's either that or make the right to drive something only wealthy people can obtain. I doubt that would go over well --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922791869] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote>insurance companies rip people off especially auto insurance. gotta pay to be legal to drive.</quote> It's either that or make the right to drive something only wealthy people can obtain. I doubt that would go over well</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/04/19 6:33:22 PM #11:	Solid Snake07 posted... It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate. There could certainly be a system where for profit works, but the problem is a for profit system ultimately gets taken over by greed as costs are inflated simply to increase profits for shareholders and CEOs --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:922791927] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate.</quote> There could certainly be a system where for profit works, but the problem is a for profit system ultimately gets taken over by greed as costs are inflated simply to increase profits for shareholders and CEOs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 6:35:09 PM #12:	Solid Snake07 posted... It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate. I agree that we should have socialized healthcare. Preexisting conditions covers latent things, too. Also, say you lose your job or coverage, if you get sick, you're screwed. It's a bandaid, but it's better than an open wound. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922791996] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate.</quote> I agree that we should have socialized healthcare. Preexisting conditions covers latent things, too. Also, say you lose your job or coverage, if you get sick, you're screwed. It's a bandaid, but it's better than an open wound.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/04/19 6:38:18 PM #13:	TheGoldenEel posted... There could certainly be a system where for profit works, but the problem is a for profit system ultimately gets taken over by greed as costs are inflated simply to increase profits for shareholders and CEOs I'm wondering what would happen if we made it illegal to go public with a health insurance provider Corp. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:922792123] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGoldenEel posted...</cite> <quote>There could certainly be a system where for profit works, but the problem is a for profit system ultimately gets taken over by greed as costs are inflated simply to increase profits for shareholders and CEOs</quote> I'm wondering what would happen if we made it illegal to go public with a health insurance provider Corp.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OldSnakeLiveon8 06/04/19 6:39:13 PM #14:	Ron Paul would have fixed healthcare by now <cite>OldSnakeLiveon8 posted [p:922792163] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>Ron Paul would have fixed healthcare by now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sobergermanguy 06/04/19 6:46:26 PM #15:	The above comparison doesn't even make sense. Auto insurance is mandatory in the states anyway. --- You choc-blocked me, bro <cite>sobergermanguy posted [p:922792488] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>The above comparison doesn't even make sense. Auto insurance is mandatory in the states anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 6:52:34 PM #16:	LordRazziel posted... Solid Snake07 posted... It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate. I agree that we should have socialized healthcare. Preexisting conditions covers latent things, too. Also, say you lose your job or coverage, if you get sick, you're screwed. It's a bandaid, but it's better than an open wound. I'm not for socialized healthcare, but it's probably better the unsustainable pseudo socialized medicine system we have in place now. One of the biggest problems with our healthcare system is the extent of involvement insurance has. You shouldn't need health insurance to afford to go see a doctor for a routine checkup or if you have a cold. Insurance should only be for serious health issues that could financially ruin the average person. You know, the same reason you buy insurance for anything. And I don't exactly trust the government to handle this role any better than insurance providers. They'll essentially be the same thing, the only difference is they'll have less incentive to be cost efficient cause they do have the power to force everyone to pay in. Having insurance cover every single medical need not only makes insurance more expensive it makes those basic medical cares more expensive. It sounds great if allstate had to pay for my oil changes and to fill up my gas tank, but if that were the case my auto insurance premiums are going up. And the cost of car maintenance is probably gonna go up to, cause fuck it, insurance is paying for it anyway. And you don't have to agree with me, but at least pick a side. not a bunch of half assed measures one way and the other. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922792737] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate.</quote> I agree that we should have socialized healthcare. Preexisting conditions covers latent things, too. Also, say you lose your job or coverage, if you get sick, you're screwed. It's a bandaid, but it's better than an open wound.</quote> I'm not for socialized healthcare, but it's probably better the unsustainable pseudo socialized medicine system we have in place now. One of the biggest problems with our healthcare system is the extent of involvement insurance has. You shouldn't need health insurance to afford to go see a doctor for a routine checkup or if you have a cold. Insurance should only be for serious health issues that could financially ruin the average person. You know, the same reason you buy insurance for anything. And I don't exactly trust the government to handle this role any better than insurance providers. They'll essentially be the same thing, the only difference is they'll have less incentive to be cost efficient cause they do have the power to force everyone to pay in. Having insurance cover every single medical need not only makes insurance more expensive it makes those basic medical cares more expensive. It sounds great if allstate had to pay for my oil changes and to fill up my gas tank, but if that were the case my auto insurance premiums are going up. And the cost of car maintenance is probably gonna go up to, cause fuck it, insurance is paying for it anyway. And you don't have to agree with me, but at least pick a side. not a bunch of half assed measures one way and the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 6:56:53 PM #17:	Solid Snake07 posted... LordRazziel posted... Solid Snake07 posted... It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate. I agree that we should have socialized healthcare. Preexisting conditions covers latent things, too. Also, say you lose your job or coverage, if you get sick, you're screwed. It's a bandaid, but it's better than an open wound. I'm not for socialized healthcare, but it's probably better the unsustainable pseudo socialized medicine system we have in place now. One of the biggest problems with our healthcare system is the extent of involvement insurance has. You shouldn't need health insurance to afford to go see a doctor for a routine checkup or if you have a cold. Insurance should only be for serious health issues that could financially ruin the average person. You know, the same reason you buy insurance for anything. And I don't exactly trust the government to handle this role any better than insurance providers. They'll essentially be the same thing, the only difference is they'll have less incentive to be cost efficient cause they do have the power to force everyone to pay in. Having insurance cover every single medical need not only makes insurance more expensive it makes those basic medical cares more expensive. It sounds great if allstate had to pay for my oil changes and to fill up my gas tank, but if that were the case my auto insurance premiums are going up. And the cost of car maintenance is probably gonna go up to, cause fuck it, insurance is paying for it anyway. And you don't have to agree with me, but at least pick a side. not a bunch of half assed measures one way and the other. They already are highly cost inefficient. The medical industry inflates prices, so people have to buy insurance. It's insurance companies that did this. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922792912] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>It's not insurance any longer if they do. That's like saying if I get into an accident then go and get full coverage from geico they should have to pay to fix my car. If you're gonna go that route then stop bullshitting around and just say you want socialized medicine. Framing it this way is just a disingenuous way of going about it. You can't have a system where for profit insurance companies are forced to cover people who are already sick unless you have a system where everyone is mandated to have health insurance, otherwise the cost of insurance is just going to inflate.</quote> I agree that we should have socialized healthcare. Preexisting conditions covers latent things, too. Also, say you lose your job or coverage, if you get sick, you're screwed. It's a bandaid, but it's better than an open wound.</quote> I'm not for socialized healthcare, but it's probably better the unsustainable pseudo socialized medicine system we have in place now. One of the biggest problems with our healthcare system is the extent of involvement insurance has. You shouldn't need health insurance to afford to go see a doctor for a routine checkup or if you have a cold. Insurance should only be for serious health issues that could financially ruin the average person. You know, the same reason you buy insurance for anything. And I don't exactly trust the government to handle this role any better than insurance providers. They'll essentially be the same thing, the only difference is they'll have less incentive to be cost efficient cause they do have the power to force everyone to pay in. Having insurance cover every single medical need not only makes insurance more expensive it makes those basic medical cares more expensive. It sounds great if allstate had to pay for my oil changes and to fill up my gas tank, but if that were the case my auto insurance premiums are going up. And the cost of car maintenance is probably gonna go up to, cause fuck it, insurance is paying for it anyway. And you don't have to agree with me, but at least pick a side. not a bunch of half assed measures one way and the other.</quote> They already are highly cost inefficient. The medical industry inflates prices, so people have to buy insurance. It's insurance companies that did this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 7:10:50 PM #18:	LordRazziel posted... They already are highly cost inefficient. The medical industry inflates prices, so people have to buy insurance. It's insurance companies that did this. I agree......I just don't really trust the federal government to do a better job. I'll trust a free and fair market to offer a better outcome more often than not. I suppose that would basically be the biggest point where I'm going to fundamentally diverge from anyone who wants to socialized medicine. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922793476] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>They already are highly cost inefficient. The medical industry inflates prices, so people have to buy insurance. It's insurance companies that did this.</quote> I agree......I just don't really trust the federal government to do a better job. I'll trust a free and fair market to offer a better outcome more often than not. I suppose that would basically be the biggest point where I'm going to fundamentally diverge from anyone who wants to socialized medicine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 06/04/19 7:16:43 PM #19:	What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:922793701] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
babyeatermax 06/04/19 7:22:35 PM #20:	Corporations would monetize air if they could and some people would still defend them. "I don't support socialized breathing." --- This guy <cite>babyeatermax posted [p:922793951] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>Corporations would monetize air if they could and some people would still defend them. "I don't support socialized breathing."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 7:24:30 PM #21:	Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922794029] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 06/04/19 7:27:14 PM #22:	https://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases19/pr20190512a.html AG Grewal Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Twenty Generic Drug Companies, Alleging Conspiracy to Raise Prices on Over 100 Drugs We all know that prescription drugs can be expensive. Now we know that high drug prices have been driven in part by an illegal conspiracy among generic drug companies to inflate their prices, said Attorney General Grewal. It is particularly troubling that so much of this unlawful conduct took place in New Jersey. Ive said before and Ill say again that New Jerseys pharmaceutical industry is the envy of the world. But no New Jersey company will get a free pass when it violates the law and harms our residents, just because it is located here. Capitalism in the health care industry is fucking vile <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:922794146] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nj.gov/oag/newsreleases19/pr20190512a.html <quote>AG Grewal Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Twenty Generic Drug Companies, Alleging Conspiracy to Raise Prices on Over 100 Drugs</quote> <quote>We all know that prescription drugs can be expensive. Now we know that high drug prices have been driven in part by an illegal conspiracy among generic drug companies to inflate their prices, said Attorney General Grewal. It is particularly troubling that so much of this unlawful conduct took place in New Jersey. Ive said before and Ill say again that New Jerseys pharmaceutical industry is the envy of the world. But no New Jersey company will get a free pass when it violates the law and harms our residents, just because it is located here. </quote> Capitalism in the health care industry is fucking vile</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 7:27:56 PM #23:	Solid Snake07 posted... LordRazziel posted... They already are highly cost inefficient. The medical industry inflates prices, so people have to buy insurance. It's insurance companies that did this. I agree......I just don't really trust the federal government to do a better job. I'll trust a free and fair market to offer a better outcome more often than not. I suppose that would basically be the biggest point where I'm going to fundamentally diverge from anyone who wants to socialized medicine. Socialized medicine doesn't have to eliminate private insurance. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922794166] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>They already are highly cost inefficient. The medical industry inflates prices, so people have to buy insurance. It's insurance companies that did this.</quote> I agree......I just don't really trust the federal government to do a better job. I'll trust a free and fair market to offer a better outcome more often than not. I suppose that would basically be the biggest point where I'm going to fundamentally diverge from anyone who wants to socialized medicine.</quote> Socialized medicine doesn't have to eliminate private insurance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 7:31:28 PM #24:	Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? If a meal cost thousands of dollars... --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922794313] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> If a meal cost thousands of dollars...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 06/04/19 7:34:41 PM #25:	Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? If Big Macs were the only food available and they went from being $5 in 2000 to $5000 in 2019 then yeah, maybe. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:922794436] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote> What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> If Big Macs were the only food available and they went from being $5 in 2000 to $5000 in 2019 then yeah, maybe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 7:41:49 PM #26:	LordRazziel posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? If a meal cost thousands of dollars... Smashingpmkns posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? If Big Macs were the only food available and they went from being $5 in 2000 to $5000 in 2019 then yeah, maybe. You guys do realize that most pharmacutical companies have programs to give their drugs to people who can't afford them right? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922794712] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> If a meal cost thousands of dollars...</quote> <cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote> What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> If Big Macs were the only food available and they went from being $5 in 2000 to $5000 in 2019 then yeah, maybe.</quote> You guys do realize that most pharmacutical companies have programs to give their drugs to people who can't afford them right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/04/19 7:42:50 PM #27:	Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? Are you aware of food stamps --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:922794744] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> Are you aware of food stamps</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 7:43:33 PM #28:	Solid Snake07 posted... LordRazziel posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? If a meal cost thousands of dollars... Smashingpmkns posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? If Big Macs were the only food available and they went from being $5 in 2000 to $5000 in 2019 then yeah, maybe. You guys do realize that most pharmacutical companies have programs to give their drugs to people who can't afford them right? And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922794770] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> If a meal cost thousands of dollars...</quote> <cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote> What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> If Big Macs were the only food available and they went from being $5 in 2000 to $5000 in 2019 then yeah, maybe.</quote> You guys do realize that most pharmacutical companies have programs to give their drugs to people who can't afford them right?</quote> And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 06/04/19 7:44:49 PM #29:	I hate insurance companies but I also hate it when the government manages things I dont know to answer the topic --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:922794803] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>I hate insurance companies but I also hate it when the government manages things I dont know to answer the topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 7:45:52 PM #30:	Unsugarized_Foo posted... I hate insurance companies but I also hate it when the government manages things I dont know to answer the topic They aren't mutually exclusive. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922794845] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted...</cite> <quote>I hate insurance companies but I also hate it when the government manages things I dont know to answer the topic</quote> They aren't mutually exclusive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 06/04/19 7:50:03 PM #31:	LordRazziel posted... Unsugarized_Foo posted... I hate insurance companies but I also hate it when the government manages things I dont know to answer the topic They aren't mutually exclusive. I just dont know, man. I dont know. --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:922794988] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted...</cite> <quote>I hate insurance companies but I also hate it when the government manages things I dont know to answer the topic</quote> They aren't mutually exclusive.</quote> I just dont know, man. I dont know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 7:52:29 PM #32:	LordRazziel posted... And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals. eh, it's a pretty large segment financially. As I already said. Health insurance should exist, it should just be there to cover the large expenses you're talking about. That's how insurance is supposed to work. Most people buy coverage for something that is unlikely to happen, but if it did could ruin you. If it did operate that way health insurance would be pretty god damn cheap, allowing more people to afford it. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922795081] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals.</quote> eh, it's a pretty large segment financially. As I already said. Health insurance should exist, it should just be there to cover the large expenses you're talking about. That's how insurance is supposed to work. Most people buy coverage for something that is unlikely to happen, but if it did could ruin you. If it did operate that way health insurance would be pretty god damn cheap, allowing more people to afford it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 7:54:01 PM #33:	Solid Snake07 posted... LordRazziel posted... And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals. eh, it's a pretty large segment financially. As I already said. Health insurance should exist, it should just be there to cover the large expenses you're talking about. That's how insurance is supposed to work. Most people buy coverage for something that is unlikely to happen, but if it did could ruin you. If it did operate that way health insurance would be pretty god damn cheap, allowing more people to afford it. How is that not how it operates now? --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922795134] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals.</quote> eh, it's a pretty large segment financially. As I already said. Health insurance should exist, it should just be there to cover the large expenses you're talking about. That's how insurance is supposed to work. Most people buy coverage for something that is unlikely to happen, but if it did could ruin you. If it did operate that way health insurance would be pretty god damn cheap, allowing more people to afford it.</quote> How is that not how it operates now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 06/04/19 7:56:38 PM #34:	Solid Snake07 posted... LordRazziel posted... And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals. eh, it's a pretty large segment financially. As I already said. Health insurance should exist, it should just be there to cover the large expenses you're talking about. That's how insurance is supposed to work. Most people buy coverage for something that is unlikely to happen, but if it did could ruin you. If it did operate that way health insurance would be pretty god damn cheap, allowing more people to afford it. The problem is that in healthcare, basically any doctor visit is a large expense, because of the whole for profit thing --- The words of The Golden Eel have been revealed... Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:922795243] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals.</quote> eh, it's a pretty large segment financially. As I already said. Health insurance should exist, it should just be there to cover the large expenses you're talking about. That's how insurance is supposed to work. Most people buy coverage for something that is unlikely to happen, but if it did could ruin you. If it did operate that way health insurance would be pretty god damn cheap, allowing more people to afford it.</quote> The problem is that in healthcare, basically any doctor visit is a large expense, because of the whole for profit thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 8:02:45 PM #35:	LordRazziel posted... How is that not how it operates now? .............because it's not? you use your insurance for just about any medical treatment or prescription you get, no matter how minor. And you still have to pay a deductible out of pocket......it's a fucking scam. One that we all willfully take part it cause we can't even comprehend just having a direct transaction between us as a consumer and the doctor as a provider. Instead we have to incorporate this giant overpriced middleman into just about every healthcare transaction. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922795497] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>How is that not how it operates now?</quote> .............because it's not? you use your insurance for just about any medical treatment or prescription you get, no matter how minor. And you still have to pay a deductible out of pocket......it's a fucking scam. One that we all willfully take part it cause we can't even comprehend just having a direct transaction between us as a consumer and the doctor as a provider. Instead we have to incorporate this giant overpriced middleman into just about every healthcare transaction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 06/04/19 8:03:33 PM #36:	Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922795540] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 8:07:53 PM #37:	TheGoldenEel posted... Solid Snake07 posted... LordRazziel posted... And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals. eh, it's a pretty large segment financially. As I already said. Health insurance should exist, it should just be there to cover the large expenses you're talking about. That's how insurance is supposed to work. Most people buy coverage for something that is unlikely to happen, but if it did could ruin you. If it did operate that way health insurance would be pretty god damn cheap, allowing more people to afford it. The problem is that in healthcare, basically any doctor visit is a large expense, because of the whole for profit thing No, the problem is that every doctor visit shouldn't be that large of an expense. And it would be cheaper if you remove insurance from the transaction. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922795697] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGoldenEel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>And there is more to healthcare than pharmaceuticals.</quote> eh, it's a pretty large segment financially. As I already said. Health insurance should exist, it should just be there to cover the large expenses you're talking about. That's how insurance is supposed to work. Most people buy coverage for something that is unlikely to happen, but if it did could ruin you. If it did operate that way health insurance would be pretty god damn cheap, allowing more people to afford it.</quote> The problem is that in healthcare, basically any doctor visit is a large expense, because of the whole for profit thing</quote> No, the problem is that every doctor visit shouldn't be that large of an expense. And it would be cheaper if you remove insurance from the transaction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 8:10:44 PM #38:	_Rinku_ posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year. Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922795837] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year.</quote> Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 8:14:58 PM #39:	Solid Snake07 posted... LordRazziel posted... How is that not how it operates now? .............because it's not? you use your insurance for just about any medical treatment or prescription you get, no matter how minor. And you still have to pay a deductible out of pocket......it's a fucking scam. One that we all willfully take part it cause we can't even comprehend just having a direct transaction between us as a consumer and the doctor as a provider. Instead we have to incorporate this giant overpriced middleman into just about every healthcare transaction. That's still essentially how it works. Things are too expensive, so you pay the company to cover your costs. The issues is needing healthcare is a matter of when, not if, for all people. You couldn't afford it out of pocket. Even with things beyond seeing a GP and getting meds, having to have a major procedure is a matter of when, not if. Socialized medicine seems a good solution, everyone is covered. If you want to get coverage through a private insurance company, you could still do that. How, exactly, do you have a free market place for things like that that everyone can afford? --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922796025] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>How is that not how it operates now?</quote> .............because it's not? you use your insurance for just about any medical treatment or prescription you get, no matter how minor. And you still have to pay a deductible out of pocket......it's a fucking scam. One that we all willfully take part it cause we can't even comprehend just having a direct transaction between us as a consumer and the doctor as a provider. Instead we have to incorporate this giant overpriced middleman into just about every healthcare transaction.</quote> That's still essentially how it works. Things are too expensive, so you pay the company to cover your costs. The issues is needing healthcare is a matter of when, not if, for all people. You couldn't afford it out of pocket. Even with things beyond seeing a GP and getting meds, having to have a major procedure is a matter of when, not if. Socialized medicine seems a good solution, everyone is covered. If you want to get coverage through a private insurance company, you could still do that. How, exactly, do you have a free market place for things like that that everyone can afford?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 06/04/19 8:15:40 PM #40:	Solid Snake07 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year. Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea Just making it a universal program eliminates the overhead on deciding who is "worthy" of it and reduces the stigma of using it. Don't see how that's a bad idea. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922796049] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year.</quote> Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea</quote> Just making it a universal program eliminates the overhead on deciding who is "worthy" of it and reduces the stigma of using it. Don't see how that's a bad idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 06/04/19 8:18:23 PM #41:	Solid snake07 has some points. Insurance does inflate the price of things. If you look at the EoBs and stuff youll often see things where the billed cost is absurd and the insurance company decided that no, it should be like half that or included in other charges. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:922796152] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>Solid snake07 has some points. Insurance does inflate the price of things. If you look at the EoBs and stuff youll often see things where the billed cost is absurd and the insurance company decided that no, it should be like half that or included in other charges.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 8:24:04 PM #42:	TheGoldenEel posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? Are you aware of food stamps Are you aware that a social welfare program is not the same thing as the socialization of the entire market? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922796363] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGoldenEel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> Are you aware of food stamps</quote> Are you aware that a social welfare program is not the same thing as the socialization of the entire market?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/04/19 8:31:58 PM #43:	_Rinku_ posted... Solid Snake07 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year. Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea Just making it a universal program eliminates the overhead on deciding who is "worthy" of it and reduces the stigma of using it. Don't see how that's a bad idea. Because I don't want the government running my fucking life for me. I don't want them dictating what I can eat, where i can work, how much money I can make, where I can live. You people don't understand the larger implications of what you think you want. Do you think greed is exclusive to corporations? Cause it runs rampant in government just as bad if not worse, and you want to hand them the fucking keys? at least a corporation is held accountable by their consumers and shareholders. How the hell do you hold a government with absolute control over every aspect of you life accountable for anything without extreme violent resistance? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:922796645] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year.</quote> Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea</quote> Just making it a universal program eliminates the overhead on deciding who is "worthy" of it and reduces the stigma of using it. Don't see how that's a bad idea.</quote> Because I don't want the government running my fucking life for me. I don't want them dictating what I can eat, where i can work, how much money I can make, where I can live. You people don't understand the larger implications of what you think you want. Do you think greed is exclusive to corporations? Cause it runs rampant in government just as bad if not worse, and you want to hand them the fucking keys? at least a corporation is held accountable by their consumers and shareholders. How the hell do you hold a government with absolute control over every aspect of you life accountable for anything without extreme violent resistance?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 06/04/19 8:37:14 PM #44:	Solid Snake07 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Solid Snake07 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year. Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea Just making it a universal program eliminates the overhead on deciding who is "worthy" of it and reduces the stigma of using it. Don't see how that's a bad idea. Because I don't want the government running my fucking life for me. I don't want them dictating what I can eat, where i can work, how much money I can make, where I can live. You people don't understand the larger implications of what you think you want. Do you think greed is exclusive to corporations? Cause it runs rampant in government just as bad if not worse, and you want to hand them the fucking keys? at least a corporation is held accountable by their consumers and shareholders. How the hell do you hold a government with absolute control over every aspect of you life accountable for anything without extreme violent resistance? And that's what socialized healthcare will do? --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:922796837] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year.</quote> Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea</quote> Just making it a universal program eliminates the overhead on deciding who is "worthy" of it and reduces the stigma of using it. Don't see how that's a bad idea.</quote> Because I don't want the government running my fucking life for me. I don't want them dictating what I can eat, where i can work, how much money I can make, where I can live. You people don't understand the larger implications of what you think you want. Do you think greed is exclusive to corporations? Cause it runs rampant in government just as bad if not worse, and you want to hand them the fucking keys? at least a corporation is held accountable by their consumers and shareholders. How the hell do you hold a government with absolute control over every aspect of you life accountable for anything without extreme violent resistance?</quote> And that's what socialized healthcare will do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 06/04/19 8:39:17 PM #45:	Solid Snake07 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Solid Snake07 posted... _Rinku_ posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Rexdragon125 posted... What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too? Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year. Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea Just making it a universal program eliminates the overhead on deciding who is "worthy" of it and reduces the stigma of using it. Don't see how that's a bad idea. Because I don't want the government running my fucking life for me. I don't want them dictating what I can eat, where i can work, how much money I can make, where I can live. You people don't understand the larger implications of what you think you want. Do you think greed is exclusive to corporations? Cause it runs rampant in government just as bad if not worse, and you want to hand them the fucking keys? at least a corporation is held accountable by their consumers and shareholders. How the hell do you hold a government with absolute control over every aspect of you life accountable for anything without extreme violent resistance? The government wouldn't be running every aspect of your life. Not under universal healthcare or with a universal food supplement. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:922796898] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>What kind of a market is "you need this drug or treatment or you'll die" lol</quote> I need food or I'll die. Should we socialize that too?</quote> Yeah. This isn't the clever gotcha you think it is. Universal food supplements are a great idea. No one should have to go hungry in a country that throws out millions of dollars worth of food every year.</quote> Putting social measures in line to make sure poor and debilitated people don't starve isn't the same as socializing the market for food across the board. And no it's not a great idea, it's a terrible idea</quote> Just making it a universal program eliminates the overhead on deciding who is "worthy" of it and reduces the stigma of using it. Don't see how that's a bad idea.</quote> Because I don't want the government running my fucking life for me. I don't want them dictating what I can eat, where i can work, how much money I can make, where I can live. You people don't understand the larger implications of what you think you want. Do you think greed is exclusive to corporations? Cause it runs rampant in government just as bad if not worse, and you want to hand them the fucking keys? at least a corporation is held accountable by their consumers and shareholders. How the hell do you hold a government with absolute control over every aspect of you life accountable for anything without extreme violent resistance?</quote> The government wouldn't be running every aspect of your life. Not under universal healthcare or with a universal food supplement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 06/04/19 8:44:36 PM #46:	Solid Snake07 posted... at least a corporation is held accountable by their consumers and shareholders. Consumer boycotts have had varied successes and failures, none of which matter when there's a monopoly or the companies in competition with each other agree to stay out of each others way. Shareholders are just rich people who generally push for more money. Meanwhile the government is accountable to elections and there's been decent success at getting different people voted in (to the point where no party has had a clear majority for very long in quite awhile). Don't get me wrong, the government makes a lot of poor decisions and I'm not saying they'll do everything better than the private sector, but a lot of your beliefs seem to come from a very idealistic view of capitalism and then you turn around and criticize people for having very idealistic views of socialism (or social democracy / etc. whatever). --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:922797115] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>at least a corporation is held accountable by their consumers and shareholders. </quote> Consumer boycotts have had varied successes and failures, none of which matter when there's a monopoly or the companies in competition with each other agree to stay out of each others way. Shareholders are just rich people who generally push for more money. Meanwhile the government is accountable to elections and there's been decent success at getting different people voted in (to the point where no party has had a clear majority for very long in quite awhile). Don't get me wrong, the government makes a lot of poor decisions and I'm not saying they'll do everything better than the private sector, but a lot of your beliefs seem to come from a very idealistic view of capitalism and then you turn around and criticize people for having very idealistic views of socialism (or social democracy / etc. whatever).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 06/04/19 8:58:11 PM #47:	Rexdragon125 posted... Capitalism is fucking vile FTFY --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:922797642] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rexdragon125 posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalism is fucking vile</quote> FTFY</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 06/04/19 9:00:10 PM #48:	but how would those poor insurance companies ever turn a profit if they covered preexisting conditions --- Currently playing: Super Metroid (snes), Murdered: Soul Suspect (xbox1) <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:922797721] in Should ins... [t:77762061]...</cite> <quote>but how would those poor insurance companies ever turn a profit if they covered preexisting conditions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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