Current Events > Alabama passes bill requiring chemical castration of convicted child molesters.

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NeoShadowhen posted...

Yeah, thats cruel and unusual.

You know what's more cruel and unusual? A child getting molested
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WellKnownNomad posted...

NeoShadowhen posted...

Yeah, thats cruel and unusual.

You know what's more cruel and unusual? A child getting molested

Will this un-molest them? Does that make it okay to give the government the power to invade bodies?
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You don't need a functioning penis or even a sex drive to molest someone. I doubt this would do much.
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hockeybub89 posted...

WellKnownNomad posted...

NeoShadowhen posted...

Yeah, thats cruel and unusual.

You know what's more cruel and unusual? A child getting molested

Will this un-molest them? Does that make it okay to give the government the power to invade bodies?

It'll prevent them for molesting more children :P
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They should just be made to drink a bunch of whiskey. That way if they are later exonerated it can be reversed.

Like just now it took me 30 minutes to even get hard and when I finally finished I only had a semi. All this because I've been drinking too much whiskey lately.

WellKnownNomad posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

WellKnownNomad posted...

NeoShadowhen posted...

Yeah, thats cruel and unusual.

You know what's more cruel and unusual? A child getting molested

Will this un-molest them? Does that make it okay to give the government the power to invade bodies?

It'll prevent them for molesting more children :P

Will it, though? it has been proven that PHYSICAL castration doesn't take away desires for rapists, because it's more of a psychological thing than sexual. If that's the case, I don't see why it should be any different for chemical castration.

WellKnownNomad posted...

It'll prevent them for molesting more children :P

No real guarantee of that
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Yeesh
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Look, no sane person thinks these kinds of crimes are OK, but this law is disturbing. First, innocent people are put away all the time for crimes they didn't commit, and at least some of the people castrated under this new law are bound to be innocent. How many innocent people are worth sacrificing to appease public's righteous anger? Second, do you really want to start giving the government the legal ability to maim people convicted of crimes? Third, who is this going to help? Castration removes the ability to achieve an erection, but it doesn't take away desire, which I presume is the motivating factor behind crimes like these. Even if you could somehow never catch an innocent person and weren't worried about government overreach, I don't think this will help cut down on crime.

Last, it seems to be blatantly unconstitutional. There is a provision against cruel and unusual punishment. Not only is this unfair to potential innocents, cruel, and likely to be ineffective at deterring crime, it wastes the court's time having to strike it down, all so a bunch of politicians can virtue signal. Worse yet, this might actually be upheld by conservatives on the court and pave the way for US prisons to become even worse than they already are.

Not harsh enough. Child molesters are sick beyond repair.
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darkmaian23 posted...

Look, no sane person thinks these kinds of crimes are OK, but this law is disturbing. First, innocent people are put away all the time for crimes they didn't commit, and at least some of the people castrated under this new law are bound to be innocent. How many innocent people are worth sacrificing to appease public's righteous anger? Second, do you really want to start giving the government the legal ability to maim people convicted of crimes? Third, who is this going to help? Castration removes the ability to achieve an erection, but it doesn't take away desire, which I presume is the motivating factor behind crimes like these. Even if you could somehow never catch an innocent person and weren't worried about government overreach, I don't think this will help cut down on crime.

Last, it seems to be blatantly unconstitutional. There is a provision against cruel and unusual punishment. Not only is this unfair to potential innocents, cruel, and likely to be ineffective at deterring crime, it wastes the court's time having to strike it down, all so a bunch of politicians can virtue signal. Worse yet, this might actually be upheld by conservatives on the court and pave the way for US prisons to become even worse than they already are.

you do know what chemical castration is, right? it's not permanent and no one is getting maimed. it's literally a medication that is nullifies the libido. it's also reversible.
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WellKnownNomad posted...

NeoShadowhen posted...

Yeah, thats cruel and unusual.

You know what's more cruel and unusual? A child getting molested

"Stealing is against the law."
"You know what's more against the law? Murder!"
"Okay, but stealing is still against the law."

That is to say, we all agree that child molesters are terrible people. We're just saying that this course of action happens to be a Constitution violation.
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Alabama can do something right after all.
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TwoDoorPunkCab posted...

darkmaian23 posted...

Look, no sane person thinks these kinds of crimes are OK, but this law is disturbing. First, innocent people are put away all the time for crimes they didn't commit, and at least some of the people castrated under this new law are bound to be innocent. How many innocent people are worth sacrificing to appease public's righteous anger? Second, do you really want to start giving the government the legal ability to maim people convicted of crimes? Third, who is this going to help? Castration removes the ability to achieve an erection, but it doesn't take away desire, which I presume is the motivating factor behind crimes like these. Even if you could somehow never catch an innocent person and weren't worried about government overreach, I don't think this will help cut down on crime.

Last, it seems to be blatantly unconstitutional. There is a provision against cruel and unusual punishment. Not only is this unfair to potential innocents, cruel, and likely to be ineffective at deterring crime, it wastes the court's time having to strike it down, all so a bunch of politicians can virtue signal. Worse yet, this might actually be upheld by conservatives on the court and pave the way for US prisons to become even worse than they already are.

you do know what chemical castration is, right? it's not permanent and no one is getting maimed. it's literally a medication that is nullifies the libido. it's also reversible.

Really depends on whats used, as while the libido effect is reversible, it something like a progestin-based treatment if used on men it can have long term effects like a loss in bone density, and based on what Ive looked into that type of agent seems to be the most common agent used
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I disagree with it being mandatory. I think it should be an option for reduced sentences. Like, why bother doing this to someone who isn't getting out of prison?
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i support cruel and unusual punishment for people who commit unspeakable crimes as references in this bill
no sweat off my brow here
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screw chemical castration they should just cut their dicks off

chemical castration sounds worse so i'm okay with it
but it's probably more expensive so that's a clear con
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Chicken posted...

You know what else is cruel and unusual? Someone raping a kid.

Yeah this is how I feel. They could shoot them in the head in the court room as soon as they said guilty for all I cared.
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The Trent posted...

chemical castration sounds worse so i'm okay with it
but it's probably more expensive so that's a clear con

In this bill the offenders would be paying for the medications necessary
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Alabama lawmakers are the ISIS of America.
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Child rape obviously is cruel but I don't think it justifies state-sanctioned human rights violations. Two wrongs and all that jazz
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I'm gonna get shit for this but, this does seem somewhat logical. You can't control yourself and act like an animal, you should be treated like one.

Although funding for stuff like this can be expensive so idk.
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eston posted...

Two wrongs and all that jazz

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fair, next.
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"I support ineffective non-solutions as long as they satisfy my emotional need for justice."

Dragonblade01 posted...

"I support ineffective non-solutions as long as they satisfy my emotional need for justice."

i don't give a shit about what justice is for people who commit these sorts of acts
whatever punishment happens to them, i am okay with
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Given that most child molesters who get sent to general population just end up getting beaten and repeatedly ass raped by other inmates, I'm not sure the "cruel and unusual" argument against castration really holds up.
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In that case the punishment is jail time

Not the incidentals that may or may not happen
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The reason for doing it won't work, but this is the first time Alabama's doing something not intensely reprehensible.

Child molesters can burn.
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The Admiral posted...

Given that most child molesters who get sent to general population just end up getting beaten and repeatedly ass raped by other inmates, I'm not sure the "cruel and unusual" argument against castration really holds up.

The government is not the one handing out ass rapes as punishment.
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A sexual drive might be gone but Im not sure why passions, desires, perversions...

You see how those things are related, though? I'm passionate about my sexual perversions because of my sex drive.
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Tmaster148 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Given that most child molesters who get sent to general population just end up getting beaten and repeatedly ass raped by other inmates, I'm not sure the "cruel and unusual" argument against castration really holds up.

The government is not the one handing out ass rapes as punishment.

The government created those situations by failing to insure inmates never have contact with one another.
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The Trent posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

"I support ineffective non-solutions as long as they satisfy my emotional need for justice."

i don't give a shit about what justice is for people who commit these sorts of acts
whatever punishment happens to them, i am okay with

That's a really weird thing to say.

So you'd be okay with no punishment then?

So as far as I understand from reading some of the posts ITT, its a temporary thing and you need to continuously be on the pill for it to be effective?

How would that even work? Would they make the offender come and get checked periodically with some sort of blood test or whatever to determine if theyre keeping up their regiment?
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Shablagoo posted...

So as far as I understand from reading some of the posts ITT, its a temporary thing and you need to continuously be on the pill for it to be effective?

How would that even work? Would they make the offender come and get checked periodically with some sort of blood test or whatever to determine if theyre keeping up their regiment?

One would assume it works like a probation officer.
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As long as they have undeniable proof, I see nothing wrong with this.
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Knowledge_King posted...

As long as they have undeniable proof, I see nothing wrong with this.

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thanks-gohan posted...

Capital punishment is not genocide
Capital punishment is not genocide
Capital punishment is not genocide
Capital punishment is not genocide
Capital punishment is not genocide

I disagree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_MCBR_e4ZI" data-time="
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Dragonblade01 posted...

The Trent posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

"I support ineffective non-solutions as long as they satisfy my emotional need for justice."

i don't give a shit about what justice is for people who commit these sorts of acts
whatever punishment happens to them, i am okay with

That's a really weird thing to say.

So you'd be okay with no punishment then?

you really don't know what i meant despite my poor phrasing?
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^It was pretty funny though, lol
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Roy Moore should sign up for this and be the first to have it done imo
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Shablagoo posted...

^It was pretty funny though, lol

fair.
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Machete posted...

Roy Moore should sign up for this and be the first to have it done imo

Have you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kaJaDx51iw" data-time="
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Shablagoo posted...

Machete posted...

Roy Moore should sign up for this and be the first to have it done imo

Have you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kaJaDx51iw" data-time="

Yes. I liked how hard he went with the "it must be a mistake. Let's try this..." angle and just kept making him look worse and worse while pretending to be trying to help him.

The quincenera one was my favorite though. Especially "what's this?" "That's exactly what it looks like..."
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Machete posted...

Yes. I liked how hard he went with the "it must be a mistake. Let's try this..." angle and just kept making him look worse and worse while pretending to be trying to help him.

Yeah, god hes so damn good at acting & keeping a straight face.

The quincenera one was my favorite though. Especially "what's this?" "That's exactly what it looks like..."

Yeah that may have been my favorite as well. The way Sacha just completely clams up when the police arrive and lets them try to explain that shit, oh man I was dying lol
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Yeah that was great. He just says something "I'm just the mariachi..." and leaves the other doofuses out to dry. It seemed like that one was thinking "please don't look under my dress. Please don't look under my dress..." over and over in his head.
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