Board 8 > Nationalist politics topic 16: Zealots accidentally bring us to historical truth

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Vlado posted...

I'm saying that people from vastly different cultures being made to live near each other forces inevitable anxiety, conflict and bloodshed.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-crime-rate-fell-to-lowest-level-in-decades-in-2018/a-48162310

Yup, Germany is sure turning into a crime-ridden hellhole.
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Hannyabal posted...

well it sure seems like you blame diversity

Hannyabal posted...

Diversity caused by....immigrants.

lmfao, are you for real? Holy crap. It's politicians (controlled by international banks and corporations) who cause "diversity," not "immigrants." A wanna-be immigrant can't get into your country if your politicians and military do their job well.
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Vlado posted...

An immigrant can't get into your country if your politicians and military do their job well.

What politician/military should have stopped all the European immigrants coming into America in the 1600's?
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Vlado posted...

I'm saying that people from vastly different cultures being made to live near each other forces inevitable anxiety, conflict and bloodshed.

and Im saying that that opinion in itself is utterly pathetic. Its also a factor that causes you to live a miserable existence within an insulated bubble of confirmation bias to your incredibly misguided (if not willfully ignorant) worldview

TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

An immigrant can't get into your country if your politicians and military do their job well.

What politician/military should have stopped all the European immigrants coming into America in the 1600's?

I'm talking about today, not the 1600s.

TheRock1525 posted...

https://www.dw.com

lmfao, imagine literally citing a CIA mouthpiece. (To be honest, I'm surprised reuters actually went ahead and published that stat I quoted.)

Hannyabal posted...

and Im saying that that opinion in itself is utterly pathetic. Its also a factor that causes you to live a miserable existence within an insulated bubble of confirmation bias to your incredibly misguided (if not willfully ignorant) worldview

Ahem, let me do this right...


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Vlado posted...

I'm talking about today, not the 1600s.

Not an answer. Immigration has existed since the dawn of mankind, why is now bad? At what point did it become bad?
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if 85% of immigrants leech off social welfare, the solution is to fix the fucking welfare system, not to close the borders. if THAT many immigrants receive welfare they're not entitled to, a ton of native germans will be leeching off welfare as well. this isn't fixed by closing the borders.
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Also I love how I pointed out that your own article disproves your point and you quickly move away from it because you absolutely know you're wrong but could never admit it. I mean, I know it hurts but part of growth is understanding that it's ok to be wrong.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

I'm talking about today, not the 1600s.

Not an answer. Immigration has existed since the dawn of mankind, why is now bad? At what point did it become bad?

For people like Vlado, the answer to this will coincidentally end up being the same time that non-white people had the means to immigrate globally

Mr Lasastryke posted...

if 85% of immigrants leech off social welfare, the solution is to fix the fucking welfare system, not to close the borders. if THAT many immigrants receive welfare they're not entitled to, a ton of native germans will be leeching off welfare as well. this isn't fixed by closing the borders.

Both are necessary. Immigration must be limited to skilled workers up to a fraction of native-born babies per year, so that Germany remains German, etc.
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Vlado is a gullible rube, Rock. He rails against clickbait journalism, but the second he sees a title he likes, he reposts it without reading or critical thought. Its like when he posted an article with a clickbait title about Republicans being smarter than Democrats, but the meat of the article was how social liberalism made you smarter than social conservatism.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Also I love how I pointed out that your own article disproves your point and you quickly move away from it because you absolutely know you're wrong but could never admit it. I mean, I know it hurts but part of growth is understanding that it's ok to be wrong.

Uh. People saying some stuff doesn't mean they will actually do it. You must measure behaviour, not stated opinion. Also, that "X% will find employment after Y years" is dumb speculation because it puts the current immigrants on the same basis with European immigrants from countries like mine, which is ridiculous, as our culture is far closer to German culture than theirs is. The 13% is the stat that matters.
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Vlado posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Also I love how I pointed out that your own article disproves your point and you quickly move away from it because you absolutely know you're wrong but could never admit it. I mean, I know it hurts but part of growth is understanding that it's ok to be wrong.

Uh. People saying some stuff doesn't mean they will actually do it. You must measure behaviour, not stated opinion. Also, that "X% will find employment after Y years" is dumb speculation because it puts the current immigrants on the same basis with European immigrants from countries like mine, which is ridiculous, as our culture is far closer to German culture than theirs is. The 13% is the stat that matters.

And article from 2016 said that only 13% of refugees (not willing immigrants, but people fleeing their country for their own safety) had managed to find work in less than a year, despite there being Visa restrictions and asylum application processes that would otherwise hinder employment.

Seriously, learn to read and think your yourself.
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Vlado posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

An immigrant can't get into your country if your politicians and military do their job well.

What politician/military should have stopped all the European immigrants coming into America in the 1600's?

I'm talking about today, not the 1600s.

TheRock1525 posted...

https://www.dw.com

lmfao, imagine literally citing a CIA mouthpiece. (To be honest, I'm surprised reuters actually went ahead and published that stat I quoted.)

Hannyabal posted...

and Im saying that that opinion in itself is utterly pathetic. Its also a factor that causes you to live a miserable existence within an insulated bubble of confirmation bias to your incredibly misguided (if not willfully ignorant) worldview

Ahem, let me do this right...

Who said I was actually trying to argue with you? As if its even possible to have a real argument with someone who willfully ignores the 90% of any post arguing against him in good faith (that he cant answer) and only responds to the 10% that he can. Ive watched you ignore dozens of excellent points in this very topic and either change the subject or debate minutiae in the post instead.

Im just here to witness the pathetic state of someone defending Nationalist politics.

Also, love that totally not racist jab that immigrants from Eastern Europe are totally closer in culture, so youre superior to brown countries.
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https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migrant_integration_statistics_%E2%80%93_labour_market_indicators

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/

It's not speculation, it's literally what happens. Every time.

Why do you continue to live in a fantasy world? Why are you so deathly afraid of brown people? I interact with them every day, I've yet to be murdered, harmed, or even slightly inconvenienced by them but to you they will literally destroy everything. Why can I get along just fine with them but you just can't even imagine?
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Hannyabal posted...

ignore dozens of excellent points

Let me guess... Inviso posts? *cue laughter*

TheRock1525 posted...

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Migrant_integration_statistics_%E2%80%93_labour_market_indicators

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/

It's not speculation, it's literally what happens. Every time.

Why do you continue to live in a fantasy world? Why are you so deathly afraid of brown people? I interact with them every day, I've yet to be murdered, harmed, or even slightly inconvenienced by them but to you they will literally destroy everything. Why can I get along just fine with them but you just can't even imagine?

As I already pointed out, this isn't adequate comparison. You can't equate someone from Bulgaria moving to Germany with someone from Africa or Afghanistan moving to Germany.
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Vlado posted...

Hannyabal posted...

ignore dozens of excellent points

Let me guess... Inviso posts? *cue laughter*

TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

I'm talking about today, not the 1600s.

Not an answer. Immigration has existed since the dawn of mankind, why is now bad? At what point did it become bad?

Why dont we start with this one? Which you so graciously skipped over and addressed a totally different point instead

Hannyabal posted...

Why dont we start with this one? Which you so graciously skipped over and addressed a totally different point instead

It's a pointless post. What must I even address there? It's based on false premise. Immigration has not "existed since the dawn of mankind." I mean, sure, it has existed, as in, there have been a few immigrants here and there, but only recently is it becoming a threat to native populations retaining their own countries, which is what I'm addressing. I am not against all immigration. I am against immigration that is not properly controlled as to ensure the natives' right to the country, and public peace are maintained.
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Vlado posted...

Hannyabal posted...

Why dont we start with this one? Which you so graciously skipped over and addressed a totally different point instead

It's a pointless post. What must I even address there? It's based on false premise. Immigration has not "existed since the dawn of mankind." I mean, sure, it has existed, as in, there have been a few immigrants here and there, but only recently is it becoming a threat to native populations retaining their own countries, which is what I'm addressing. I am not against all immigration. I am against immigration that is not properly controlled as to ensure the natives' right to the country, and public peace are maintained.

Thats a really fancy way to say Im only against immigration when non-white people immigrate

Vlado posted...

I mean, sure, it has existed, as in, there have been a few immigrants here and there, but only recently is it becoming a threat to native populations retaining their own countries, which is what I'm addressing.

pretty sure europeans were a rather big threat to native americans
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That's oversimplifying my post because you can only think in binary. Why should I bother replying to you at all?

Mr Lasastryke posted...

pretty sure europeans were a rather big threat to native americans

I would have rooted for the Native Americans as much as you. :)
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Vlado posted...

That's oversimplifying my post because you can only think in binary. Why should I bother replying to you at all?

Its a wonder you reply to anyone at all, given that all youve ever managed to say in hundreds of posts can be boiled down and distilled into simple racism and xenophobia

Vlado posted...

Immigration has not "existed since the dawn of mankind."

Humanity originated from Africa, so yes. It has existed since the dawn of mankind. We all came from Africa.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Humanity originated from Africa, so yes. It has existed since the dawn of mankind. We all came from Africa.

Even if that had been the case, you'd still be wrong. "Immigration" is going into another country, i.e. another people's country.
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Vlado posted...

Even if that had been the case

It is literally the case. God didn't create Bulgaria.
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Vlado posted...

I want your own answer, using your own thoughts. Not what you perceive to be mine.

Yeah you keep trying to change the subject, which I will not allow. I realize this frustrates you.

We were talking about how you are trying this new thing where you dismiss American race-based nationalism, while still 100% embracing all the policies of American race-based nationalism. You so desperately try to believe you are an independent thinker and not just a propagandized Trumper drone, but you refuse to condemn any of Trump's propaganda. You are a sheep in wolf's clothing, making sure you never stray too far from the flock as you admire yourself in the mirror.
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Here's a fun question y'all can ask Vlado in the next topic:

Let's say there's a country A with 99% nice people (gamers, nationalists, big tits, etc) and 1% sharia law terrorists, and a country B with 50% nice people and 50% sharia law terrorists.

Should a terrorist from country A be allowed into Germany easier than a nice person from country B?
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Vlado posted...

The 13% is the stat that matters

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What if the terrorist has big tits?
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foolm0r0n posted...

refuse to condemn any of Trump's propaganda

Why would I do that? It's Trump inaction and some of his actions that are comdemnable, not what he says, which is usually fine. One must judge a politician by actions, not words, however, which is why I've become less enthusiastic about Trump.

foolm0r0n posted...

Here's a fun question y'all can ask Vlado in the next topic:

Let's say there's a country A with 99% nice people (gamers, nationalists, big tits, etc) and 1% sharia law terrorists, and a country B with 50% nice people and 50% sharia law terrorists.

Should a terrorist from country A be allowed into Germany easier than a nice person from country B?

When did I say I was against vetting immigrants? If you know someone's a terrorist, of course you don't allow them, no matter what country they come from.
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Vlado posted...

When did I say I was against vetting immigrants?

When you judge the individual based on the general statistics. Like when you say a Bulgarian immigrating to Germany is way better than an African.

For example, you, Vlado, a Bulgarian, would absolutely be deemed a radicalized threat to Germany if they vetted you at the border. Whereas the majority of Africans would be totally okay and fine people who would easily fit in. It would be insane for any country to let you in vs a normal African or Iranian or whatever.

But you never look at things in that individual manner. You think you would automatically fit in way better than any African simply because you're Bulgarian, because the statistics say so.
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Vlado posted...

Why would I do that?

Because you claim to be opposed to American nationalism
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Honestly, I would wager that, due to centuries of colonialism, brown countries have cultures more amenable to acclimating in Western Europe than those of Eastern Europeans.
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foolm0r0n posted...

When you judge the individual based on the general statistics. Like when you say a Bulgarian immigrating to Germany is way better than an African.

Both apply. You should consider the country, but also the individual. That's common sense.

foolm0r0n posted...

For example, you, Vlado, a Bulgarian, would absolutely be deemed a radicalized threat to Germany if they vetted you at the border. Whereas the majority of Africans would be totally okay and fine people who would easily fit in. It would be insane for any country to let you in vs a normal African or Iranian or whatever.

lmfao, imagine actually believing that.

foolm0r0n posted...

But you never look at things in that individual manner. You think you would automatically fit in way better than any African simply because you're Bulgarian, because the statistics say so.

I would regardless of statistics. That much is obvious.

foolm0r0n posted...

Because you claim to be opposed to American nationalism

Uh, not being part of a movement does not mean you necessarily oppose it.

Espeon posted...

Honestly, I would wager that, due to centuries of colonialism, brown countries have cultures more amenable to acclimating in Western Europe than those of Eastern Europeans.

lmfao

A good article exposing the "profit over people" nature of globalism. At the same time, globalists pretend they're fighting for "human rights":
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/465466-europe-tourism-greed-profit/
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Foolmo isnt wrong. This entire topic series shows a profound fear and hatred of Western culture. But unlike radical Islamic terrorism, youre white, so you wouldnt have latent fear and racism to keep people scrutinizing your every move. Youre absolutely more dangerous to Western civilization than your average African, looking to escape an inferior quality of life.
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Are the leaders of the Orthodox Christian church allowed to marry and have kids?
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Vlado posted...

I would regardless of statistics. That much is obvious.

It is to you but not to the border authorities. If you truly believe that you don't define words (e.g. racism) then you need to face this reality. You're staying in Bulgaria the rest of your life so it doesn't matter though right?

Vlado posted...

Both apply. You should consider the country, but also the individual. That's common sense.

See, again you are putting the country over the individual. When really the individual is all that matters in this case. The terrorist from the 99% nice country should obviously be rejected, and the cancer doctor from the 99% evil country should obviously be let in.

You just can't let go of the idea that the origin country defines the individual more than anything though. I thought it was because you want to be able to reject totally fine brown people from your country, but now it seems more personal -- you want to be admitted into a foreign country (Japan?) as an average nice Bulgarian, rather than this anti-social radicalized statistical outlier individual.
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Thats what happens when you honestly believe every different ethnic group is essentially a different subspecies
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Jakyl25 posted...

Thats what happens when you honestly believe every different ethnic group is essentially a different subspecies

Despite both science AND Vlados Christianity agreeing that humanity all come from the same, common ancestors, mind you. For some reason, he denies science AND the Bible on that one.
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Espeon posted...

Foolmo isnt wrong. This entire topic series shows a profound fear and hatred of Western culture. But unlike radical Islamic terrorism, youre white, so you wouldnt have latent fear and racism to keep people scrutinizing your every move. Youre absolutely more dangerous to Western civilization than your average African, looking to escape an inferior quality of life.

You can't just take what I say about globalism, replace "globalism" with "nationalism/Vlado," and pretend it's an argument.

Jakyl25 posted...

Are the leaders of the Orthodox Christian church allowed to marry and have kids?

Only before becoming a priest. But in practice, those at the top are not married, as it's easier to rise in the hierarchy by becoming a monk over a priest. You can't become a monk if you are married. You can become a priest if you are married. You can't marry once you're either.

foolm0r0n posted...

You're staying in Bulgaria the rest of your life so it doesn't matter though right?

Yes, I am.

foolm0r0n posted...

See, again you are putting the country over the individual. When really the individual is all that matters in this case. The terrorist from the 99% nice country should obviously be rejected, and the cancer doctor from the 99% evil country should obviously be let in.

Wrong. In theory, you can be a cancer doctor AND a terrorist. I'm not necessarily putting the country over the individual, but both MUST be taken into account.

foolm0r0n posted...

you want to be admitted into a foreign country (Japan?)

No, I don't. I only go to foreign countries as a tourist.

Espeon posted...

Despite both science AND Vlados Christianity agreeing that humanity all come from the same, common ancestors, mind you. For some reason, he denies science AND the Bible on that one.

I don't deny the Bible.

Meanwhile, Germany refuse to participate in Trump's charade against Iran:
https://www.rt.com/news/465484-germany-us-strait-of-hormuz/

Slowly, but surely, European countries are drifting apart from the US. While the UK will get closer after Brexit.
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Damn, those Russians hacking the google searches again... Twitter even resorted to censoring Tulsi from their "trending" thing.



https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/1156760026624643073/photo/1

Democratic presidential hopeful Tulsi Gabbard slammed rival Kamala Harris for her actions as Californias top cop during the second round of debates, winning over viewers across social media.

Gabbard dominated Google searches for the entire country following the Democratic primary debates on Wednesday

https://www.rt.com/usa/465523-tulsi-trending-attacks-harris-twitter/

Where's that status quo fanboy, lotm? lmfao
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Damn, those Russians hacking the google searches again... Twitter even resorted to censoring Tulsi from their "trending" thing.

google searches and tweets arent the same, their trends wouldnt necessarily match up

people look up stuff on google they dont know about. I googled Tulsi too because I was curious how old she was, that doesnt indicate I support her at all.

edit:

herres some guy posting screenshots of how Tulsi is being censored or whatever

https://twitter.com/ventuckyspaz/status/1156790329086861312?s=21

you can see Harris at 3. and in the spot below her name it says trending with: tulsi. Twitter does a thing where it rolls similar stuff together for trend purposes and like all the Tulsi tweets are either about something she said about Kamala, or something Kamala said about Tulsi so they ended up combined in the trend.

the same thing happens with Gillibrands name at #2 and I dont think anyone thinks twitters trying to censor her
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I can do that, actually. Given that you are mentally incapable of defining globalism OR nationalism, I can absolutely swap words as I see fit. Modern Western culture is globalist. Your nationalist topic constantly attacks and fears globalism. How exactly is your mentality DIFFERENT from the terrorists that attacked the U.S. on 9/11, out of fear of American influence on their culture? Keep in mind that there has been a dramatic rise in people like you going around and shooting up mosques in the name of nationalism.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

google searches and tweets arent the same, their trends wouldnt necessarily match up

I know. Read the article, it's covered.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

people look up stuff on google they dont know about. I googled Tulsi too because I was curious how old she was, that doesnt indicate I support her at all.

Sure. I'm not claiming it's all supporters, makes sense to be people who want to know more about her.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

herres some guy posting screenshots of how Tulsi is being censored or whatever

https://twitter.com/ventuckyspaz/status/1156790329086861312?s=21

you can see Harris at 3. and in the spot below her name it says trending with: tulsi. Twitter does a thing where it rolls similar stuff together for trend purposes and like all the Tulsi tweets are either about something she said about Kamala, or something Kamala said about Tulsi so they ended up combined in the trend.

the same thing happens with Gillibrands name at #2 and I dont think anyone thinks twitters trying to censor her

If that's the case, that's not much better than outright censorship. "We totally don't censor you, we just put your own trending in small print under your opponent's larger, bold font."
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Also, since you claim not to deny the Bible: the Bible states that all of humanity was born of the same common ancestors (Adam and Eve, or later on, Noah and his family). Therefore, do you agree that all human beings are genetically related, and life began in a single location before humanity spread out across the globe?
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If that's the case, that's not much better than outright censorship. "We totally don't censor you, we just put your own trending in small print under your opponent's larger, bold font."

I mean, I see how the result isnt optimal for Tulsi, but I just dont think its an intentional act of censorship. Its a quirk of the algorithm or whatever.
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Vlado posted...

No, I don't. I only go to foreign countries as a tourist.

Ok because that will be your only choice
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foolm0r0n posted...

Vlado posted...

No, I don't. I only go to foreign countries as a tourist.

Ok because that will be your only choice

Question: What exactly makes a tourist any less dangerous than an immigrant? If I heard Vlado was leaving his parents basement to take ANY sort of international voyage, for ANY duration, that is a massive red flag.
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