Current Events > So, what is the Zelda timeline again?

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I am confused again
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I have only ever played Breath of the Wild and that takes place last
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There's young Link and then 7 years later there's adult link. You're welcome
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________________ this line represents 1985....

wait.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

There's young Link and then 7 years later there's adult link. You're welcome

There's also failed/dead Link.
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there isnt one and anyone who claims there is one is wrong
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Jabodie posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

There's young Link and then 7 years later there's adult link. You're welcome

There's also failed/dead Link.

Pretty sure I covered everything. Please don't try to troll me
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SSJCAT posted...

there isnt one and anyone who claims there is one is wrong

SSJCAT posted...

there isnt one and anyone who claims there is one is wrong

Shit, someone better tell the writers then.
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Pretty sure I covered everything. Please don't try to troll me

I'm not, there's three branches in the official timeline. The Fallen Hero branch even has more games than the other two.
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SuperShake666 posted...

SSJCAT posted...

there isnt one and anyone who claims there is one is wrong

Shit, someone better tell the writers then.

because they came up with some dumb 3 branched timeline to try and make it seem all connected way after the fact just to appease annoying fans?
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It splits into 3 different timelines at OoT.
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SuperShake666 posted...

SSJCAT posted...

there isnt one and anyone who claims there is one is wrong

Shit, someone better tell the writers then.

You mean some Western company who had nothing to do with making any if the games and just wanted to mooch money off fans and got a license pass from Nintendo to do it who doesn't even care?

There's no timeline and BotW proves it.
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Jabodie posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Pretty sure I covered everything. Please don't try to troll me

I'm not, there's three branches in the official timeline. The Fallen Hero branch even has more games than the other two.

You think you're fuckin better than me bruh?!
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

You think you're f***in better than me bruh?!

My guy, I'd never be so bold.
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Nintendo conceded it was dumb, & quietly abandoned it. Though the closest you can reasonably get is:

Skyward Sword (origin story)

OoT > MM
OoT> WW > PH > ST

LttP > ALBW

Zelda 1 > Zelda 2

The rest make a bunch of references, implying to MAYBE fit somewhere between them
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Tyranthraxus posted...

You mean some Western company who had nothing to do with making any if the games and just wanted to mooch money off fans and got a license pass from Nintendo to do it who doesn't even care?

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-11-22-eiji-aonuma-explains-why-zelda-breath-of-the-wilds-timeline-placing-must-remain-secret
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darkbuster posted...

Nintendo conceded it was dumb, & quietly abandoned it. Though the closest you can reasonably get is:

Skyward Sword (origin story)

OoT > MM
OoT> WW > PH > ST

LttP > ALBW

Zelda 1 > Zelda 2

The rest make a bunch of references, implying to MAYBE fit somewhere between them

Ehhh.... Not quite.

I'm like 90% here that 1 - 2 - Awakening are all one set "classic Link"

LttP + ALBW + Four Swords + MC + Oracles are there as well in some fashion.

OoT - MM - TP are sequels as well, the hero's shade basically directly connects OoT and TP.

WW - PH - ST is another set on its own.

But there's not one timeline. It's just some games got sequels and some didn't.
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SuperShake666 posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

You mean some Western company who had nothing to do with making any if the games and just wanted to mooch money off fans and got a license pass from Nintendo to do it who doesn't even care?

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-11-22-eiji-aonuma-explains-why-zelda-breath-of-the-wilds-timeline-placing-must-remain-secret

Title of article is total fucking click bait. Aonuma is literally saying he literally doesn't want there to be a canon timeline because it's better for players to use their own imagination.

There's not a secret timeline in a Nintendo vault somewhere.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no timeline and BotW proves it.

I also side with no timeline. But how does BotW prove it?

Zelda 2 was always set after Zelda 1.
LttP was always set before Zelda 1.
Link's Awakening was always set after LttP.
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Ic3Bullet posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no timeline and BotW proves it.

I also side with no timeline. But how does BotW prove it?

If anything BotW proves that the three timelines merges because it got references to all 3 timelines.
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darkbuster posted...

Nintendo conceded it was dumb, & quietly abandoned it. Though the closest you can reasonably get is:

Skyward Sword (origin story)

OoT > MM
OoT> WW > PH > ST

LttP > ALBW

Zelda 1 > Zelda 2

The rest make a bunch of references, implying to MAYBE fit somewhere between them

I believe it can also be safely said that:

LttP or Zelda 1 > Link's Awakening (in the manual it directly says this game takes place after defeating Ganon, definitely more convinced of it being LttP though because it seems to ignore the events of Zelda II)
Minish Cap > Four Swords > Four Swords Adventures (as stated by the game manuals for Four Swords/Four Swords Adventures)
And of course the Oracle pair.
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Jabodie posted...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You think you're f***in better than me bruh?!

My guy, I'd never be so bold.

Im with that bold new flavor. Act like you know.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

But there's not one timeline. It's just some games got sequels and some didn't.

Which is why I only focused on the MOST concrete relations, such as WW having OoT be an explicit part of its backstory.
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It's just a bunch of random games. A couple are linked directly to each other but that's it.
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Ic3Bullet posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no timeline and BotW proves it.

I also side with no timeline. But how does BotW prove it?

Multiple ways. Let's talk about each "branch"

At the end of BOTW it is revealed that Ganon can no longer reincarnate this means that in no way, shape, or form, can this game appear earlier in the timeline than any game which includes ganon as an antagonist.

With that in mind, let's look at the problematic elements.

For "child" time, at the end of TP, the Twilight mirror is completely turned to dust, but you can find it in BOTW furthermore, the temple of time is completely destroyed during TP and you can only visit it in the past, but it's okay in BOTW, meaning this game cannot for at the end of child time.

For "adult" time, the world geography is completely incompatible. You can't set it "really far in the future" either because of contradictions with Rito and Zora.

For "fallen" time you once again run afoul of Zora contradictions as they were allegdly driven completely insane following the defeat of the hero of time. "So what if they were cured?" Well you still have problems like Koholint Island being a real place but zero evidence of a wind fish, and some things like Rito that just don't exist outside of the conditions set in adult time.
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according to OneyPlays, even the official timeline from nintendo is full of mistakes and holes. I was watching OneyPlays do Zelda 2, and of the guys mentioned that the official nintendo timeline . Hyrule Historia or whatever, is actually full of shit. there is no timeline. it's just a bunch of random legends. most of them have nothing to do with each other. and nintendo does not care about some timeline. they only put one out to make fans happy. but I have been saying sicne the 80's that there is no damn timeline.

Tyranthraxus posted...

At the end of BOTW it is revealed that Ganon can no longer reincarnate this means that in no way, shape, or form, can this game appear earlier in the timeline than any game which includes ganon as an antagonist.

It doesn't say he can't reincarnate. Depending on the English or Japanese versions, one is talking about giving up on reincarnating into Ganondorf, which is what he was doing in that cocoon, and the other, his refusal to give up, leading to Dark Beast. At the end, Zelda says he's only gone for now.
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LockeMonster posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

At the end of BOTW it is revealed that Ganon can no longer reincarnate this means that in no way, shape, or form, can this game appear earlier in the timeline than any game which includes ganon as an antagonist.

It doesn't say he can't reincarnate. Depending on the English or Japanese versions, one is talking about giving up on reincarnating into Ganondorf, which is what he was doing in that cocoon, and the other, his refusal to give up, leading to Dark Beast. At the end, Zelda says he's only gone for now.

Zelda says he has given up reincarnation in exchange for greater power as Dark Beast Ganon. It was a trade Ganon made. Ganondorf may be around but without Ganon he is literally just a dude with no greater significance. The most generous interpretation you can have of the ending is that Zelda did not actually destroy ganon but sealed him away in some place like the sacred realm like LttP intro. That means ganon is still around because he's not actually dead but he's not reincarnating either. And he is still fundamentally divorced from Ganondorf
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Zelda says he has given up reincarnation in exchange for greater power as Dark Beast Ganon. It was a trade Ganon made. Ganondorf may be around but without Ganon he is literally just a dude with no greater significance. The most generous interpretation you can have of the ending is that Zelda did not actually destroy ganon but sealed him away in some place like the sacred realm like LttP intro. That means ganon is still around because he's not actually dead but he's not reincarnating either. And he is still fundamentally divorced from Ganondorf

No, the original Japanese version's line is "This form was born from his obsessive refusal to give up on revival".

I was only pointing out that your OP was wrong. Nothing says he can't reincarnate anymore, thus this particular piece of proof isn't conclusive.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

At the end of BOTW it is revealed that Ganon can no longer reincarnate this means that in no way, shape, or form, can this game appear earlier in the timeline than any game which includes ganon as an antagonist.

You sure are quick to jump to absolutes.

You forget that Ganon himself is a reincarnation of Demise from SS - or, rather, his hatred. His curse was that an incarnation of him will eternally follow the spirit or the hero and the blood of the goddess to challenge them. So Ganon can very much show up again in some shape or form, time and time again.
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Maybe this'll help?

Whatever Nintendo decides it is at any given point in time.
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I have more issues with the people bitching about a timeline and claiming it doesn't exist.

Like what harm does it do to you if it did?
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Aonuma and Miyamoto acknowledged a timeline split before WW was even released.

http://www.zeldalegends.net/index.php?n=interviews&id=2002-12-06-gamepro-miya-aonu-twwsummit&m=text

Q: Where does The Wind Walker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
Aonuma: From the end.
Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a...
Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.
Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful.

Both WW and TP make very clear references to OOT. Why are so many people still stuck on this idea that they just decided to make up the timeline split out of thin air after the fact?

Most of the games are sequels/prequels anyway so I don't really see how you go about denying the existence of a timeline? It's not even complicated.
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i just wanna know how the "Fallen Hero" timeline was formed in the multiverse. Someone in the future from the other two timelines must have traveled back in time to Ocarina of Time and altered some event causing Link to fail and creating a third reality.
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Christian RULES posted...

i just wanna know how the "Fallen Hero" timeline was formed in the multiverse. Someone in the future from the other two timelines must have traveled back in time to Ocarina of Time and altered some event causing Link to fail and creating a third reality.

The player failed at defeating Ganon.
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Foppe posted...

Christian RULES posted...

i just wanna know how the "Fallen Hero" timeline was formed in the multiverse. Someone in the future from the other two timelines must have traveled back in time to Ocarina of Time and altered some event causing Link to fail and creating a third reality.

The player failed at defeating Ganon.

but someone from the future must come back to the past to cause the player to fail and creating a new future
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Christian RULES posted...

Foppe posted...

Christian RULES posted...

i just wanna know how the "Fallen Hero" timeline was formed in the multiverse. Someone in the future from the other two timelines must have traveled back in time to Ocarina of Time and altered some event causing Link to fail and creating a third reality.

The player failed at defeating Ganon.

but someone from the future must come back to the past to cause the player to fail and creating a new future

No, all you need is a wish.
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