Current Events > Zero Puntuations Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw's view on sex and his celibacy.

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UnfairRepresent
06/13/19 10:33:38 PM
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So you agree that having sex would be painful if you were that heavily injured, but you still call it 'taking advantage'? I thought it was fairly clear that Janine was the instigator. She's on top, look. I considered making it seem closer to a sexual assault than anything consensual but that weirded me out even more.

Fact is, this is me trying to do something disturbing without realising that I'm the only one it disturbs. I've come to develop a weird aversion to sex. I've never been really sold on it. It's possible I have some hangups from a few things from my past, but these days I'm pretty much celibate (and it's not for want of female (or even male) attention, thank you very much, I mean, I own a bar, for christ's sake). I don't think it's immoral, or anything. I just find it a bit gross. This may be linked to the fact that I hate kids and the thought of having any of my own makes me want to stick a gun in my mouth.

The sex scene was intended to be grotesque, not in any way titillating. It's about characters succumbing to something animalistic as they lose their grip on reality. It's an expression of Janine's descent into madness (consider how she's behaving immediately afterwards), and another torture device to pile onto Theo. In case it's not been obvious enough so far, the theme of 6 Days is the Blessed Agonies, and how a comparatively short period of experiencing them is enough to turn Theo, the ultimate everyman, into something to Chzo's liking. And the sex thing is part of it. It's just plain physically painful but he's doing it because it's what Janine wants, and she's completely and utterly doomed.

But I understand that most people don't see sex the same way I do, so the intention might have been lost. I defend the concept, but not so much the execution. Doing it again, I probably would make Janine overtly rape him. At least that's got the shock value. And lose the text. Or at least change it to something like "AAAAAAAAAA FUCKING HELL GET OFF AAAAAAAA"


https://imgur.com/WFs6aB8

80/80

Context is he made a video game where an incredibly injured man with a broken neck had sex with a chick and then she died instantly afterwards.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXWPLXYVDDw" data-time="&start=834


He got a lot of flack and confusion for the scene and this was his explanation.
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pegusus123456
06/14/19 5:23:55 PM
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Never knew Yahtzee was asexual.
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Guide
06/14/19 7:00:13 PM
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I keep forgetting he has games to play cause my backlog is bigger than a mother. I gotta check this out.
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0xDEFECADE
06/14/19 7:42:12 PM
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I had no idea that scene was supposed to convey that he didnt want sex or something. Weird. I didn't consider it taking advantage from his perspective either though.
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Kitt
06/14/19 7:44:06 PM
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spudger
06/14/19 7:47:31 PM
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imagine not wanting sex

pathetic
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UnfairRepresent
06/14/19 8:46:41 PM
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Guide posted...
I keep forgetting he has games to play cause my backlog is bigger than a mother. I gotta check this out.

It's the 4th game in a series

So it'll take you a while to get to it

I suggest you just watch his lets plays of them while playing better games
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s0nicfan
06/14/19 8:49:56 PM
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He wears a fedora... the story checks out
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UnfairRepresent
06/14/19 8:50:31 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
He wears a fedora... the story checks out

He hasn't worn a fedora in like 11 years
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0xDEFECADE
06/14/19 8:52:41 PM
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Guide posted...
I keep forgetting he has games to play cause my backlog is bigger than a mother. I gotta check this out.

if you like adventure games with a disturbing setting you should get on that immediately
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Milkman5
06/14/19 8:57:08 PM
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Yahtzee irritates me so much, but I don't understand why it's taboo for a man to be celibate
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spudger
06/14/19 8:57:51 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
Yahtzee irritates me so much, but I don't understand why it's taboo for a man to be celibate

b/c it flies against your basic human needs
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UnfairRepresent
06/14/19 9:08:02 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
ahtzee irritates me so much

but y tho

He's just a critic?
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Milkman5
06/14/19 10:03:03 PM
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His critiques are irritating. Treats the qualities he considers bad as a matter of fact. It's annoying.
Same reason why I think Arin Hanson is awful.
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Guide
06/14/19 10:05:01 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
His critiques are irritating. Treats the qualities he considers bad as a matter of fact. It's annoying.
Same reason why I think Arin Hanson is awful.


This is just getting mad at framing.
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UnfairRepresent
06/14/19 10:14:18 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
Treats the qualities he considers bad as a matter of fact. I

...That's what a critic is supposed to do?

"This is bad but someone somewhere might like it" is a meaningless statement that is true of anything including eating shit.
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hockeybub89
06/14/19 10:17:41 PM
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spudger posted...
Milkman5 posted...
Yahtzee irritates me so much, but I don't understand why it's taboo for a man to be celibate

b/c it flies against your basic human needs

They aren't his needs. They aren't my needs either.
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HashtagTartarus
06/14/19 10:18:09 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
His critiques are irritating. Treats the qualities he considers bad as a matter of fact. It's annoying.
Same reason why I think Arin Hanson is awful.


It's just his style, brah.
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Milkman5
06/14/19 10:21:05 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
...That's what a critic is supposed to do?

"This is bad but someone somewhere might like it" is a meaningless statement that is true of anything including eating shit.


His complaints are weird and particular to him and he doesn't act that way.

Imagine if a critic hated the color blue and he gave a game an F because the main character had a blue shirt and throughout all of the review, the critic kept asserting that all games with blue shirted characters are inherently terrible.

That's how it feels to watch a Yahtzee or Arin Hanson review.
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spudger
06/14/19 10:22:18 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
spudger posted...
Milkman5 posted...
Yahtzee irritates me so much, but I don't understand why it's taboo for a man to be celibate

b/c it flies against your basic human needs

They aren't his needs. They aren't my needs either.

*eyeroll*
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Milkman5
06/14/19 10:22:33 PM
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Normally when a critic has a niche complaint, they say the game isn't for them and why it isn't for them.
Like if I were to review a sports game and I didn't like sports games, but others did, I would explain that I don't like sports games and why the game isn't for me and why it doesn't have value to someone who doesn't like sports games.

I would assert that sports games are inherently trash.
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Milkman5
06/14/19 10:26:06 PM
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For example, Arin Hanson hates story and cutscenes in video games and speaks for everyone when he says how bad they are and how story is bad game design when in reality, most people LIKE story and cutscenes and games that have story are catering to their fans and the market.

It's like arguing Phoenix Wright has bad game design because you don't like to read.

What the fuck is "bad game design"? Is bad game design = not catering to your exact specific wants for a game or not catering to a market?
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Pukelid
06/14/19 10:28:07 PM
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spudger you're being p outta line
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Guide
06/14/19 10:29:48 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
For example, Arin Hanson hates story and cutscenes in video games and speaks for everyone when he says how bad they are and how story is bad game design when in reality, most people LIKE story and cutscenes and games that have story are catering to their fans and the market.

It's like arguing Phoenix Wright has bad game design because you don't like to read.

What the fuck is "bad game design"? Is bad game design = not catering to your exact specific wants for a game or not catering to a market?


You wouldn't be complaining if they agreed with you. This is a you problem.
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Milkman5
06/14/19 10:32:47 PM
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It's like you missed my point entirely.

I don't like racing games very much. If a reviewer said a game was bad just because it was a racing game, I would hate the review/reviewer.

But I would probably never be watching a review of a genre that doesn't interest me in the first place.
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Guide
06/14/19 10:36:48 PM
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Your point is you get mad at framing. It's a very stale old point.
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yusiko
06/14/19 10:37:14 PM
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He doesn't like jrpgs so I can't trust his judgement
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Reis
06/14/19 10:37:37 PM
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yusiko posted...
He doesn't like jrpgs so I can't trust his judgement

well jrpgs are trash so can u blame him
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yusiko
06/14/19 10:39:19 PM
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Reis posted...
yusiko posted...
He doesn't like jrpgs so I can't trust his judgement

well jrpgs are trash so can u blame him


Slander and lies
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Milkman5
06/14/19 10:40:56 PM
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Guide posted...
Your point is you get mad at framing. It's a very stale old point.


what makes a reviewer or a review good?
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UnfairRepresent
06/14/19 11:01:57 PM
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yusiko posted...
He doesn't like jrpgs so I can't trust his judgement

He likes Earthbound and the Super Paper Mario series.

Milkman5 posted...
Normally when a critic has a niche complaint, they say the game isn't for them and why it isn't for them.

Whats the difference between:

"The story sucks."
And
"The story sucks but that might just be for me, for someone else somewhere it might not suck."

Other than the fact the latter is awfully worded and the guy saying it sounds like a spineless idiot who can't formate thoughts succinctly?

Just seems dumb to me to be mad at a critic for the fact they have opinions and share them. That's literally their job. Adding "But someone else may like this" after ever sentence sounds like sisyphean torture to me.

I think that point is taken as read by default.

Hell he even makes fun of that style of thinking in the Obra Dinn review

First, I should say that Return of the Obra Dinn isn't for everyone. Wow, that's a fucking useless sentence, isn't it? Nothing's "for everyone", except maybe oxygen and Pixar films. But speaking personally, Return of the Obra Dinn almost felt like a game that was specifically made for ME, as someone who likes crossword puzzles, Horatio Hornblower books, and people being killed.
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Kircheis
06/15/19 1:05:00 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
He likes Earthbound and the Super Paper Mario series.

He also liked Persona 5 enough to put it in his top 5 best games list for 2017. Never thought I'd see the day tbh.
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Guide
06/15/19 3:51:03 AM
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Milkman5 posted...
Guide posted...
Your point is you get mad at framing. It's a very stale old point.


what makes a reviewer or a review good?


A good reviewer is able to concisely communicate the highlights and drawbacks of a game, drawing from an established perspective. You use a reviewer for information about a game, as well as a measuring tool of sorts, with which you compare and contrast your interests.

For example, Yahtzee dislikes fighting games from a competitive aspect, but can still tell me about the features of a fighting game aside from that. So his input on character balance would be meaningless, but if the menus are glitchy shit, that's something that would inform my purchase.

Also, please reply to, or at least read, UR's post above.
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pegusus123456
06/15/19 3:58:53 AM
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Does Yahtzee ever market ZP as a proper review?
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Guide
06/15/19 4:12:16 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Does Yahtzee ever market ZP as a proper review?


I mean, yes? It's marketed as a review. There's funny bits, but it's all reviews.
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Wetterdew
06/15/19 5:56:39 AM
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I don't like Yahtzee either. He is an obnoxious rambling dummy IMO. His jokes aren't funny. His voice is annoying.

It's like he tries to channel Gordon Ramsey's and Simon Cowell's harsh criticism and Ricky Gervais's irreverent humor but he just fails at all of it.
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A_A_Battery
06/15/19 6:26:56 AM
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People who hate kids are missing out. To properly appreciate them you need to get one, make tons of mistakes as a noob, then get another one and bliss.
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pegusus123456
06/15/19 6:49:19 AM
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Guide posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Does Yahtzee ever market ZP as a proper review?


I mean, yes? It's marketed as a review. There's funny bits, but it's all reviews.

I just couldn't remember.

Maybe I was conflating him with TotalBiscuit who was always very insistent that his videos weren't proper reviews.
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NinjaBreakfast
06/15/19 6:51:23 AM
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Can't believe people still follow this guy and enjoy his content but can very much believe he doesn't have sex
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Zero_Destroyer
06/15/19 6:59:47 AM
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chzo mythos was great except for 6 Days a Sacrifice lmao what a mess (the referenced scene is one of like twenty eyeroller moments)

trilby's notes(?) is still a very unsettling game
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markconigliaro
06/15/19 7:13:04 AM
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Milkman5 posted...
For example, Arin Hanson hates story and cutscenes in video games and speaks for everyone when he says how bad they are and how story is bad game design when in reality, most people LIKE story and cutscenes and games that have story are catering to their fans and the market.

It's like arguing Phoenix Wright has bad game design because you don't like to read.


It's funny that you mention Phoenix Wright as your example because he just finished the first two chapters on Game Grumps and they both loved it. Arin has played them before back when they first came out and upon seeing the title card for the 3rd episode he said "but this is the best one!" and explained the concept of the chapter to Danny.
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UnfairRepresent
06/15/19 10:19:34 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Does Yahtzee ever market ZP as a proper review?

Define "proper" review?

It's a review, it's just comedy first
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jborgan
06/15/19 10:22:31 AM
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spudger posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
spudger posted...
Milkman5 posted...
Yahtzee irritates me so much, but I don't understand why it's taboo for a man to be celibate

b/c it flies against your basic human needs

They aren't his needs. They aren't my needs either.

*eyeroll*

Imagine caring this much about someone else's (lack of) sexual desires. That's the only thing that's pathetic.
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clearaflagrantj
06/15/19 10:22:58 AM
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No such thing as asexual
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UnfairRepresent
06/15/19 10:40:55 AM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
No such thing as asexual

lol
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Pukelid
06/15/19 11:33:50 AM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
No such thing as asexual

Hey are you ok
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ScazarMeltex
06/15/19 11:37:03 AM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
No such thing as asexual

Science says otherwise.
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EnragedSlith
06/15/19 11:51:16 AM
#48:


Milkman5 posted...
His critiques are irritating. Treats the qualities he considers bad as a matter of fact. It's annoying.
Same reason why I think Arin Hanson is awful.

I can be guilty of this too. Been something Ive tried to work on for a while
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Notti
06/17/19 1:53:11 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
yusiko posted...
He doesn't like jrpgs so I can't trust his judgement

He likes Earthbound and the Super Paper Mario series.



Has he mentioned the old FFs or DQs?
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UnfairRepresent
06/17/19 2:29:45 AM
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Notti posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
yusiko posted...
He doesn't like jrpgs so I can't trust his judgement

He likes Earthbound and the Super Paper Mario series.



Has he mentioned the old FFs or DQs?

He's mentioned that he likes the fact FF6 and FF9 had a good simple focus on a villain while all the others didn't and had bonkers storylines that make no sense.

But I think he hates all of them in terms of gameplay.
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