Current Events > Dem debate aftermath topic

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So looks like Biden is gonna bleed
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my time is up - joe biden
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He just did a post interview and was asked about the segregation stuff. In the middle of it, he went to take a selfie with someone else, and then when he was answering, he quit midway because his wife took him away.

I'm less sure of this ranking than last night but in terms of debate performance:

Harris> Buttigieg > Bernie >>> Bennett> Swalwell> Biden >>> Gillibrand > Hickenlooper > Williamson > Yang
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Joe got absolutely bodied. What a disaster lol.

So the winners tonight were:

Kamala - showed some real snarl, very aggressive and compelling
Buttigieg - definitely the most polished speaker on the stage, you could barely notice that most of his answers had zero substance
Gillibrand - did a great job of interjecting as much as possible, and did a good job of setting herself apart from the rest of the candidates
Swalwell - spoke well, got in a few swipes at the old men and a REALLY good swipe on Buttigieg, who he correctly identifies as his main competition in the "younger group of candidates" bracket.

Bernie broke even, but probably ends up getting a bump because of how bad Biden did.

Joe got absolutely trashed and should just wrap his campaign up tomorrow. Yikes dude.

Everyone else was largely irrelevant - Yang was too polite to speak up about anything or push over his time, Hickenlooper was trash, Williamson made a few good points but kinda came off as someone's stoned aunt, and I don't even remember the other guy's name that's how little of an impact he had.
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Anteaterking posted...

I'm less sure of this ranking than last night but in terms of debate performance:

Harris> Buttigieg > Bernie >>> Bennett> Swalwell> Biden >>> Gillibrand > Hickenlooper > Williamson > Yang

LMAO at the Yang hate.
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MrToothHasYou posted...

Joe got absolutely bodied. What a disaster lol.

So the winners tonight were:

Kamala - showed some real snarl, very aggressive and compelling
Buttigieg - definitely the most polished speaker on the stage, you could barely notice that most of his answers had zero substance
Gillibrand - did a great job of interjecting as much as possible, and did a good job of setting herself apart from the rest of the candidates
Swalwell - spoke well, got in a few swipes at the old men and a REALLY good swipe on Buttigieg, who he correctly identifies as his main competition in the "younger group of candidates" bracket.

Bernie broke even, but probably ends up getting a bump because of how bad Biden did.

Joe got absolutely trashed and should just wrap his campaign up tomorrow. Yikes dude.

Everyone else was largely irrelevant - Yang was too polite to speak up about anything or push over his time, Hickenlooper was trash, Williamson made a few good points but kinda came off as someone's stoned aunt, and I don't even remember the other guy's name that's how little of an impact he had.

fair assessment. wouldn't call swalwell a winner but agree with what you said about him
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Damn_Underscore posted...

LMAO at the Yang hate.

It's not Yang hate, he just said by far the least of the candidates and didn't really try to go for any moments. Considering this is a lot of America's first time seeing him, he was forgettable.
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MrToothHasYou posted...

Gillibrand - did a great job of interjecting as much as possible, and did a good job of setting herself apart from the rest of the candidates
Swalwell - spoke well, got in a few swipes at the old men and a REALLY good swipe on Buttigieg, who he correctly identifies as his main competition in the "younger group of candidates" bracket.

I would disagree on Gillibrand. She seemed too ready for last night's debate where the moderators let people walk all over them, so her repeated failed attempts in the first half to get called on ended up making her look like Delaney did last night.

Swalwell played a similar role (not policy wise, but in the debate) as de Blasio, who actually surprisingly got a bump after last night's debate, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a small bump as well.
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Anteaterking posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

LMAO at the Yang hate.

It's not Yang hate, he just said by far the least of the candidates and didn't really try to go for any moments. Considering this is a lot of America's first time seeing him, he was forgettable.

You need gotcha moments to win debates and that's not really his style I guess.

I hope whoever wins includes him on their cabinet.
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Anteaterking posted...

I would disagree on Gillibrand. She seemed too ready for last night's debate where the moderators let people walk all over them, so her repeated failed attempts in the first half to get called on ended up making her look like Delaney did last night.

I disagree, I think they paid off, as she (and Swalwell) were able to set themselves apart from the other "no-name" candidates better, which is really what the early debates are meant to be about. No one is going to leave these debates remembering who Andrew Yang is, which is unfortunate because he has a much more interesting platform than half the candidates out there. Gillibrand is as vanilla as they come but she's gonna come out of this much better than the other underdogs.
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yeah the main thing about the beginning debates while the field is large like this is that you need to actually stand out and draw attention to yourself. gillibrand stood out and will probably will get a bump from it (not enough to be significant tho imo). yang barely spoke, which will make him forgettable. even the breakfast cereal hickenlooper spoke more
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MrToothHasYou posted...

Anteaterking posted...

I would disagree on Gillibrand. She seemed too ready for last night's debate where the moderators let people walk all over them, so her repeated failed attempts in the first half to get called on ended up making her look like Delaney did last night.

I disagree, I think they paid off, as she (and Swalwell) were able to set themselves apart from the other "no-name" candidates better, which is really what the early debates are meant to be about. No one is going to leave these debates remembering who Andrew Yang is, which is unfortunate because he has a much more interesting platform than half the candidates out there. Gillibrand is as vanilla as they come but she's gonna come out of this much better than the other underdogs.

I guess part of the problem to me is that Gillibrand isn't a "no-name" candidate to me. She's been polling way below what she "should" be based on her record. I'm comparing her performance to the other mid-tier senators like Klobuchar and Booker. Yes, if she had similar clout to Swalwell I would think that she did better, but she's a senator from New York who coming out of 2016 looked like she would be a bigger deal. So she needed more than just moments reminding people she existed.
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Gillibrand will fade away. she's just an example of someone who came out looking relatively good. if you had to pick 5 winners and 5 losers shes probably up in the winners. she doesn't stand a chance in the election cycle overall
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I hope whoever wins includes him on their cabinet.

Agreed. I just hope that Yang's internet popularity can keep him qualifying long enough to break through the cluster of pointless candidates and get some airtime. He sells UBI well enough during longer interviews but I think he struggled to dumb it down for the debate format.
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at least candidates can always improve their performance for the 2nd debate. I think someone like yang can improve their debate performance while someone like the breakfast cereal will just be more of the same
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Anteaterking posted...

MrToothHasYou posted...

Anteaterking posted...

I would disagree on Gillibrand. She seemed too ready for last night's debate where the moderators let people walk all over them, so her repeated failed attempts in the first half to get called on ended up making her look like Delaney did last night.

I disagree, I think they paid off, as she (and Swalwell) were able to set themselves apart from the other "no-name" candidates better, which is really what the early debates are meant to be about. No one is going to leave these debates remembering who Andrew Yang is, which is unfortunate because he has a much more interesting platform than half the candidates out there. Gillibrand is as vanilla as they come but she's gonna come out of this much better than the other underdogs.

I guess part of the problem to me is that Gillibrand isn't a "no-name" candidate to me. She's been polling way below what she "should" be based on her record. I'm comparing her performance to the other mid-tier senators like Klobuchar and Booker. Yes, if she had similar clout to Swalwell I would think that she did better, but she's a senator from New York who coming out of 2016 looked like she would be a bigger deal. So she needed more than just moments reminding people she existed.

That's a fair take, but I think when the polls have you with the clods, you gotta debate like you're a clod. You can't debate based on where you "should" be in the polls. If she wants to catch the Gabbards and Castros of this primary, she's gotta separate herself from the riffraff first.

ThyCorndog posted...

Gillibrand will fade away. she's just an example of someone who came out looking relatively good. if you had to pick 5 winners and 5 losers shes probably up in the winners. she doesn't stand a chance in the election cycle overall

I agree, at this point most of these people are just trying to increase their national profile in hopes of snagging a VP bid. You'll notice she spent a good amount of time pumping Bernie's tires. That's done with purpose, and it's another reason she comes away as a winner tonight - she knows Bernie needs to pick a woman and/or some minority as his running mate, so her soft support positions her as a potential pick, and if Bernie does fall out or start to lose steam, she's positioned herself to try to court some of his base (I have serious doubts that the Bernie crowd would go for her, but it's clearly a road she is considering). She came into this night with a prepared strategy in place, and she executed that plan. That's a win, by my count.
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Buttigieg firmly in the loser pile tonight. He comes out saying he messed up his own town (bro you're MAYOR Pete. You had one job and you blew it.) This is after it came out that he's alt right white nationalist levels of racist against the black community. #firethechief
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foreverzero212 posted...

Buttigieg firmly in the loser pile tonight. He comes out saying he messed up his own town (bro you're MAYOR Pete. You had one job and you blew it.) This is after it came out that he's alt right white nationalist levels of racist against the black community. #firethechief

Uh
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If Joe wants his teeth back, he's gonna have to pick them out of Harris' shoes.
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The democrat party is hilarious. They are throwing the whole pot of spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
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democrats are finished imagine a president harris lol i don't think so she might get some votes just because of her last name like alvin greene did but it won't be enough lol next we have the babbling bitch warren who even women can't stand lol

Harris had a great night, even apart from launching a fatality on Biden. IMO, she and Warren are the biggest winners overall. Pete speaks well, but I think hes vulnerable to attacks and could get bodied if some one needs him to be.
Gillibrand did really well and seems to be fishing for Bernies favor, but shes probably too far gone to come back.
Bernie got posed the hardest question(What would you do if Roe v Wade were overturned during your presidency? was some crap) but was overall mediocre on his own merits. He finished strong though, emphasizing his foreign policy chops(and reminding everyone Biden voted for the Iraq war) and the fact the effort was actually bi-partisan. His closing statement was fantastic.
Lastly, if Biden doesnt tank after this, nothing goddamned matters. He was terrible.

Any funny moments? >_> I didn't get to watch it
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Biden looked and acted old. Bernie managed to avoid that, at least.
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Monolith1676 posted...

The democrat party is hilarious. They are throwing the whole pot of spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.

the Republicans did the same thing last election. both parties do that, every election

Polycosm posted...

Biden looked and acted old. Bernie managed to avoid that, at least.

Bernie did fumble a bit on guns, as he always has, but I dont think thats going to sink him substantially. Gun control isnt going to be a top issue this cycle, too much else is happening.
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