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TalesofMedz 06/28/19 10:53:28 AM #1:	The victim fired at the teens, striking 15-year-old Jordan Lara. He was taken to University of Cincinnati Medical Center where he died from his injuries. The actual shooter, the victim of the robbery, is not facing any charges. However, the surviving teen is. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2019/06/27/police-one-teen-robber-shot-partner-charged-his-murder/1587257001/ <cite>TalesofMedz posted [p:923966288] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><quote>The victim fired at the teens, striking 15-year-old Jordan Lara. He was taken to University of Cincinnati Medical Center where he died from his injuries. The actual shooter, the victim of the robbery, is not facing any charges. However, the surviving teen is.</quote> https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/crime-and-courts/2019/06/27/police-one-teen-robber-shot-partner-charged-his-murder/1587257001/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hanky_Bannister 06/28/19 10:56:11 AM #2:	well yeah. fair;next --- "3rd Best Whiskey in Northern Burma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjOu4EzjYg <cite>Hanky_Bannister posted [p:923966382] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>well yeah. fair;next</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 06/28/19 10:56:30 AM #3:	Ohio law allows for people involved in crimes that result in any deaths to be charged with murder, even if the defendant did not directly kill the victim. For example, if a person is killed during a bank robbery, the getaway driver can be charged with murder. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:923966396] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><quote>Ohio law allows for people involved in crimes that result in any deaths to be charged with murder, even if the defendant did not directly kill the victim. For example, if a person is killed during a bank robbery, the getaway driver can be charged with murder.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 06/28/19 11:04:52 AM #4:	It's dumb law that gets abused but I'm not gonna cry myself to sleep over this <cite>knutjob posted [p:923966670] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>It's dumb law that gets abused but I'm not gonna cry myself to sleep over this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lordgold666 06/28/19 11:09:43 AM #5:	Hanky_Bannister posted... well yeah. fair;next --- 3DS: 1848-2391-0198 "May the Father of Understanding guide us" <cite>Lordgold666 posted [p:923966839] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>well yeah. fair;next</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 06/28/19 11:17:08 AM #6:	I never liked these laws, but it's not uncommon --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:923967140] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>I never liked these laws, but it's not uncommon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 06/28/19 11:17:54 AM #7:	Lordgold666 posted... Hanky_Bannister posted... well yeah. fair;next --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:923967174] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lordgold666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>well yeah. fair;next</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 06/28/19 11:19:53 AM #8:	MacadamianNut3 posted... Lordgold666 posted... Hanky_Bannister posted... well yeah. fair;next --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot? V-E-G-Y https://imgur.com/AqR3aeX https://imgur.com/vvuUXpp https://i.imgtc.com/lyRboFN.jpg <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:923967225] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>MacadamianNut3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lordgold666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>well yeah. fair;next</quote></quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 06/28/19 11:20:23 AM #9:	seems like a really stupid law --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:923967239] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>seems like a really stupid law</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 06/28/19 11:20:33 AM #10:	Hanky_Bannister posted... well yeah. fair;next --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:923967246] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hanky_Bannister posted...</cite> <quote>well yeah. fair;next</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 06/28/19 11:21:51 AM #11:	Interesting law... Seems like manslaughter would make more sense to me, but whatever fair next --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:923967281] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>Interesting law... Seems like manslaughter would make more sense to me, but whatever fair next</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 06/28/19 11:23:02 AM #12:	NinjaBreakfast posted... seems like a really stupid law This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:923967319] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>seems like a really stupid law</quote> This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 06/28/19 11:24:17 AM #13:	Master_Bass posted... NinjaBreakfast posted... seems like a really stupid law This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder. They caused the murder --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:923967355] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>seems like a really stupid law</quote> This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder.</quote> They caused the murder</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 06/28/19 11:27:09 AM #14:	SageHarpuia posted... Master_Bass posted... NinjaBreakfast posted... seems like a really stupid law This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder. They caused the murder Tell me how a getaway driver killed anyone for example? They should obviously get jail time, but they did not directly kill anyone and most likely never had the intent to kill anyone. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:923967446] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>seems like a really stupid law</quote> This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder.</quote> They caused the murder</quote> Tell me how a getaway driver killed anyone for example? They should obviously get jail time, but they did not directly kill anyone and most likely never had the intent to kill anyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 06/28/19 11:27:59 AM #15:	SageHarpuia posted... Master_Bass posted... NinjaBreakfast posted... seems like a really stupid law This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder. They caused the murder There was no murder. If I do something dumb that gets me killed, I'm not a murder victim <cite>knutjob posted [p:923967479] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>seems like a really stupid law</quote> This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder.</quote> They caused the murder</quote> There was no murder. If I do something dumb that gets me killed, I'm not a murder victim</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 06/28/19 11:30:35 AM #16:	like how does the intent element of murder fit in here How is it not a murder for the guy who did it but suddenly murder for the guy who accompanied the victim --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:923967585] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>like how does the intent element of murder fit in here How is it not a murder for the guy who did it but suddenly murder for the guy who accompanied the victim</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/28/19 11:32:38 AM #17:	Master_Bass posted... NinjaBreakfast posted... seems like a really stupid law This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder. Especially when it's abusing the law. The law is made so people can be charged with their accomplices crimes instead of saying you did nothing and getting off. Not only did their accomplice not do this, it wasn't even a crime. No manslaughter happened. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:923967660] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>seems like a really stupid law</quote> This. Obviously you shouldn't be robbing banks and whatnot, but I don't think we should charge people with murder that did not actually commit murder.</quote> Especially when it's abusing the law. The law is made so people can be charged with their accomplices crimes instead of saying you did nothing and getting off. Not only did their accomplice not do this, it wasn't even a crime. No manslaughter happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/28/19 11:33:27 AM #18:	NinjaBreakfast posted... like how does the intent element of murder fit in here How is it not a murder for the guy who did it but suddenly murder for the guy who accompanied the victim That'll probably get him off if he appeals. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:923967692] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>like how does the intent element of murder fit in here How is it not a murder for the guy who did it but suddenly murder for the guy who accompanied the victim</quote> That'll probably get him off if he appeals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 06/28/19 11:33:38 AM #19:	Master_Bass posted... Tell me how a getaway driver killed anyone for example? They should obviously get jail time, but they did not directly kill anyone and most likely never had the intent to kill anyone. The objective is to deter people from supporting crimes. If I want to stretch to answer this question, I could say having the driver available gave the robber the confidence to do what he wants and threaten the safety and lives of the civilians as his boy will back him up and help him escape from his crimes. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:923967697] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote>Tell me how a getaway driver killed anyone for example? They should obviously get jail time, but they did not directly kill anyone and most likely never had the intent to kill anyone.</quote> The objective is to deter people from supporting crimes. If I want to stretch to answer this question, I could say having the driver available gave the robber the confidence to do what he wants and threaten the safety and lives of the civilians as his boy will back him up and help him escape from his crimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 06/28/19 11:36:49 AM #20:	Yes, If someone is killed while you are in the commission of a felony, you can be charged with their death. Your felonious actions are the reason they are dead, and you should be held accountable. --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley https://imgur.com/4GzX1 <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:923967825] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>Yes, If someone is killed while you are in the commission of a felony, you can be charged with their death. Your felonious actions are the reason they are dead, and you should be held accountable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 06/28/19 11:38:17 AM #21:	Sad_Face posted... Master_Bass posted... Tell me how a getaway driver killed anyone for example? They should obviously get jail time, but they did not directly kill anyone and most likely never had the intent to kill anyone. The objective is to deter people from supporting crimes. If I want to stretch to answer this question, I could say having the driver available gave the robber the confidence to do what he wants and threaten the safety and lives of the civilians as his boy will back him up and help him escape from his crimes. But murder requires intent - seems hard to say "I wanted my friend to drive/be lookout/etc because I wanted him to die"? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:923967879] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sad_Face posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote>Tell me how a getaway driver killed anyone for example? They should obviously get jail time, but they did not directly kill anyone and most likely never had the intent to kill anyone.</quote> The objective is to deter people from supporting crimes. If I want to stretch to answer this question, I could say having the driver available gave the robber the confidence to do what he wants and threaten the safety and lives of the civilians as his boy will back him up and help him escape from his crimes.</quote> But murder requires intent - seems hard to say "I wanted my friend to drive/be lookout/etc because I wanted him to die"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knutjob 06/28/19 11:41:31 AM #22:	BillyKidd posted... Yes, If someone is killed while you are in the commission of a felony, you can be charged with their death. Your felonious actions are the reason they are dead, and you should be held accountable. But it shits all over personal responsibility. The deceaseds actions are the reason he is dead <cite>knutjob posted [p:923968019] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillyKidd posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, If someone is killed while you are in the commission of a felony, you can be charged with their death. Your felonious actions are the reason they are dead, and you should be held accountable.</quote> But it shits all over personal responsibility. The deceaseds actions are the reason he is dead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 06/28/19 11:42:26 AM #23:	They're an accomplice to murder. --- Platinum GameFAQs Member <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:923968046] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>They're an accomplice to murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 06/28/19 11:43:27 AM #24:	Intent isn't always solely direct (like transferred malice or recklessness or w/e) but this seems like an extreme reach --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:923968084] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>Intent isn't always solely direct (like transferred malice or recklessness or w/e) but this seems like an extreme reach</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 06/28/19 11:47:10 AM #25:	Ruvan22 posted... But murder requires intent - seems hard to say "I wanted my friend to drive/be lookout/etc because I wanted him to die"? It's more so "I know my friend has a gun and can potentially use it and me supporting and making his crime feasible means I am directly influencing the chance of him using it on someone". In any case, we're straying from the point, the law is to spread collective responsibility among a group of perpetrators. If they're going to share in with the rewards, they might as well share in with the punishment. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:923968199] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote>But murder requires intent - seems hard to say "I wanted my friend to drive/be lookout/etc because I wanted him to die"?</quote> It's more so "I know my friend has a gun and can potentially use it and me supporting and making his crime feasible means I am directly influencing the chance of him using it on someone". In any case, we're straying from the point, the law is to spread collective responsibility among a group of perpetrators. If they're going to share in with the rewards, they might as well share in with the punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brandunh11 06/28/19 11:53:21 AM #26:	Ruvan22 posted... But murder requires intent - seems hard to say "I wanted my friend to drive/be lookout/etc because I wanted him to die"? Felony murder (which is what this is called) does not require intent. --- https://imgur.com/MDQBi2C <cite>brandunh11 posted [p:923968433] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote>But murder requires intent - seems hard to say "I wanted my friend to drive/be lookout/etc because I wanted him to die"?</quote> Felony murder (which is what this is called) does not require intent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 06/28/19 11:57:46 AM #27:	That's a terrible law that should be struck from the books completely. --- http://www.warwithwords.com Run: 5 star review, IndieReader approved: https://www.amazon.com/Run-M-N/dp/1973143763/ <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:923968613] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>That's a terrible law that should be struck from the books completely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hanky_Bannister 06/28/19 12:04:25 PM #28:	obviously the law is meant to prevent people from committing crimes in groups, mainly gangs. --- "3rd Best Whiskey in Northern Burma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjOu4EzjYg <cite>Hanky_Bannister posted [p:923968867] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>obviously the law is meant to prevent people from committing crimes in groups, mainly gangs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 06/28/19 7:37:50 PM #29:	brandunh11 posted... Ruvan22 posted... But murder requires intent - seems hard to say "I wanted my friend to drive/be lookout/etc because I wanted him to die"? Felony murder (which is what this is called) does not require intent. Interesting - learn something new today! <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:923987155] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote><cite>brandunh11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote>But murder requires intent - seems hard to say "I wanted my friend to drive/be lookout/etc because I wanted him to die"?</quote> Felony murder (which is what this is called) does not require intent.</quote> Interesting - learn something new today!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 06/28/19 7:42:26 PM #30:	Fair next. Don't want to be in a situation like that? Don't fucking rob people. I'm a bleeding heart lefty guy, but come on. Shed that blood for people who deserve it. Whole not an exact comparison, it's sort of like the RICO Act. If you're helping people do a crime you will get busted. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:923987323] in Teen robbe... [t:77825267]...</cite> <quote>Fair next. Don't want to be in a situation like that? Don't fucking rob people. I'm a bleeding heart lefty guy, but come on. Shed that blood for people who deserve it. Whole not an exact comparison, it's sort of like the RICO Act. If you're helping people do a crime you will get busted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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