Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 18: It Was the Best of Lynches

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Lea
Death
Puns
Lopen
Camarija

This is the unscanned list, yes? Did I miss anyone?

Well Death is scanned. If iou know what I mean ;)
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I'm avoiding saying too much about the nillas today

not like I've been right about anything all game anyway so it's not like you're missing out on valuable insight >_>
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I'm avoiding saying too much about the nillas today

not like I've been right about anything all game anyway so it's not like you're missing out on valuable insight >_>

I can't figure out why I'm kinda into that gif >_>
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yeah see that one ain't my thing
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turbopuns3 posted...

Camarija posted...

But between Lea and Puns

Yeah, I just don't think they're Mafia unless they really like bussing

Which mafia have I bussed? Which mafia have bussed me?

Luis in particular bussed you if you're mafia

Topic 1 - Post 95
Throws suspicion on Turbopuns

Topic 1 - Post 123
Justifies suspicion on Turbopuns and leaks that Mafia have watertight fake claims

Topic 7 - Post 137
Luis Sera suggest they Lynch Puns over Ben, recognizing its more of an irrational request from their point of view.

This is kind of why I think Puns, you must be Town

benjamin3740 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

One thing sticking out in my mind is I said to red during the part where he'd given up that if there really was an SK it would be ulti. Then the following day 5tar revealed a scan on Ulti.

"lol SK talk" but like I can't ignore this fact

If they scanned me as SK one of the claimed scum would have just outright said so on the way out, they wouldnt sit there and give my real flavor just because especially with how easy of a mislynch I could be given past behavior. And given were very ahead now (Death is pretty much 99.99% scum and I will not allow ANY other lynches), lol sk talk is no longer a valid criticism. Youre right to consider one. If we do have a third party though its not me.

Based on the night kills, I think us having a traditional serial killer is off the table. Theres no extra kills outside that second mafia kill on night 2, which is just way too many nights to hide at this point.

If I had to guess, *if* this game has a third party its probably Voldemort (Camarija) whose wincon is needing Harry Potter dead. Just a pure gut hunch. Cam is the clear lynch choice tomorrow unless a scanner says otherwise.

I say otherwise

I think cam's town!

WOOHOO!!

:D

Cam's reaction when he thought he was gonna be lynched basically confirms him town.

Can't remember which day it was. But he was genuinely offended and felt betrayed
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benjamin3740 posted...

Cam's reaction when he thought he was gonna be lynched basically confirms him town.

Can't remember which day it was. But he was genuinely offended and felt betrayed

While I appreciate it

Realistically speaking, you won't be around to defend me when my turn is up

And, it's fine

As long as we have a certain POE, I'm fine with it

Lea3Lea posted...

Trying to mislynch an uncountered cop claim with two guilty scans is obviously suicidal. But with two/four guilty scans and protection still alive and no roleblocker, scum likely had very few ways to still win the game without getting Ben mislynched yesterday. So even though Lopen spent the day pre-emptively defending himself, and at the end saying he was too scummy to be scum in true WIFOM, but I don't think he had any any other option. His arguments against Ben were very good with the lack of breadcrumbing his scans, but they fell apart with the basic "why would scum do this" question. I don't think he ever had an answer for this that wasn't a big reach. Plus his soft defending of Luis day one.

Cam has also been defending Lopen in recent times, so if/when Lopen flips scum that will be potentially very significant. I don't think Voldemort as flavour miller really makes a ton of sense. 5tar claimed before Cam, so Cam claiming his actual flavour makes sense. I've thought Cam has been playing dumb ever since his day one about me posting here instead of the scumboard, or Red fetishing violence against him. This extends to him somehow missing every claim and game action. It really doesn't seem like the type of things a normal mindset would lead to outside of a big ruse. I haven't read a single one of his posts that has pinged "yeah that's what a rational town actor talks like". He's trying to get entirely too much credit for doing entirely too little.

One of cam's early posts was him suggesting his flavor was a bad guy and he was unsure what to think of that. So it was breadcrumbed before the 5tar reveal
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benjamin3740 posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Trying to mislynch an uncountered cop claim with two guilty scans is obviously suicidal. But with two/four guilty scans and protection still alive and no roleblocker, scum likely had very few ways to still win the game without getting Ben mislynched yesterday. So even though Lopen spent the day pre-emptively defending himself, and at the end saying he was too scummy to be scum in true WIFOM, but I don't think he had any any other option. His arguments against Ben were very good with the lack of breadcrumbing his scans, but they fell apart with the basic "why would scum do this" question. I don't think he ever had an answer for this that wasn't a big reach. Plus his soft defending of Luis day one.

Cam has also been defending Lopen in recent times, so if/when Lopen flips scum that will be potentially very significant. I don't think Voldemort as flavour miller really makes a ton of sense. 5tar claimed before Cam, so Cam claiming his actual flavour makes sense. I've thought Cam has been playing dumb ever since his day one about me posting here instead of the scumboard, or Red fetishing violence against him. This extends to him somehow missing every claim and game action. It really doesn't seem like the type of things a normal mindset would lead to outside of a big ruse. I haven't read a single one of his posts that has pinged "yeah that's what a rational town actor talks like". He's trying to get entirely too much credit for doing entirely too little.

One of cam's early posts was him suggesting his flavor was a bad guy and he was unsure what to think of that. So it was breadcrumbed before the 5tar reveal

Hmmmm

You're gonna have to talk me off the Cam ledge and the Puns ledge today before you die >_>

Wait, who can possibly be the last scum based on your list now?

If it helps confirming that I am a flavor miller, would it help figuring out if there is likely a godfather or flavor godfather?

Camarija posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Camarija, are you Vanilla Townie?

lmfao, yeah I'm not making the same mistake twice

I go by Town Vanilla, Town Villager, or whatever the heck you call it these days ;)

@Corrik7

Or yeah, maybe not?

My flavor is disconcerting to me and makes me feel odd

My first post of the game

Oh yeah, I forgot about Sheep. If Cam is town Sheep is probably scum. Neither can live while the other survives~

Flavour miller and flavour godfather is elegant enough.

Also HB was just as gungho anti-Ben as Lopen.

Yeah, alright, I'm sold, Death -> Lopen - > HB, ship it holla

Do you think 2 scum would suicide into a cop with two scum scans though. There's no way we're both scum.
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I think Sheep is Town based on the pushes HB received day 1

Lopen posted...

Do you think 2 scum would suicide into a cop with two scum scans though. There's no way we're both scum.

WIFOM

I don't think scum had any other winning line other than trying to mislynch the cop and going "why would scum so blatantly want to mislynch a cop???" as a defense.

Lea3Lea posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Lea3Lea posted...

Trying to mislynch an uncountered cop claim with two guilty scans is obviously suicidal. But with two/four guilty scans and protection still alive and no roleblocker, scum likely had very few ways to still win the game without getting Ben mislynched yesterday. So even though Lopen spent the day pre-emptively defending himself, and at the end saying he was too scummy to be scum in true WIFOM, but I don't think he had any any other option. His arguments against Ben were very good with the lack of breadcrumbing his scans, but they fell apart with the basic "why would scum do this" question. I don't think he ever had an answer for this that wasn't a big reach. Plus his soft defending of Luis day one.

Cam has also been defending Lopen in recent times, so if/when Lopen flips scum that will be potentially very significant. I don't think Voldemort as flavour miller really makes a ton of sense. 5tar claimed before Cam, so Cam claiming his actual flavour makes sense. I've thought Cam has been playing dumb ever since his day one about me posting here instead of the scumboard, or Red fetishing violence against him. This extends to him somehow missing every claim and game action. It really doesn't seem like the type of things a normal mindset would lead to outside of a big ruse. I haven't read a single one of his posts that has pinged "yeah that's what a rational town actor talks like". He's trying to get entirely too much credit for doing entirely too little.

One of cam's early posts was him suggesting his flavor was a bad guy and he was unsure what to think of that. So it was breadcrumbed before the 5tar reveal

Hmmmm

You're gonna have to talk me off the Cam ledge and the Puns ledge today before you die >_>

Wait, who can possibly be the last scum based on your list now?

No idea. I'm gonna have to figure that out by the end of the day. So we will definitely talk more about Cam and Puns. And you.

HB is still possible godfather. Maybe Sheep can help talk me down from considering that
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Lea3Lea posted...

Yeah, alright, I'm sold, Death -> Lopen - > HB, ship it holla

I agree at the moment.
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Do you think a godfather is likely in this game? Presumably one of us wouldn't fear the cop.
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Lopen posted...

Do you think 2 scum would suicide into a cop with two scum scans though. There's no way we're both scum.

Is one of you? Lol
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I mean if you were arguing Ben suiciding on a 1 for 1 didn't make sense, 2 scum suiciding into Ben takes that much less sense
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Lopen posted...

Do you think a godfather is likely in this game? Presumably one of us wouldn't fear the cop.

Very likely, yeah. Only because they're in every game. And mafia usually have a counter to my role
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What do you think scum's strategy was yesterday, Lopen? Bonus question of "who do you think the last two scum are and why?"

I don't know if I consider "I don't believe the cop claim" suicide. Red is scum and he absolutely hates any scum believing town power claims right away. He thinks that's revealing
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benjamin3740 posted...

Lopen posted...

Do you think a godfather is likely in this game? Presumably one of us wouldn't fear the cop.

Very likely, yeah. Only because they're in every game. And mafia usually have a counter to my role

Right

We haven't had a real alignment miller claim so, I think the only logical counter there is Mafia Alignment Godfather

Lopen posted...

I mean if you were arguing Ben suiciding on a 1 for 1 didn't make sense, 2 scum suiciding into Ben takes that much less sense

These two situations are extremely different. One is claim based, the other is lynch based, for one. One is a lot easier to wiggle out of.

Is there any veracity in the theory that a Alignment Godfather exists?

Maybe?

If this is the case, then the next to die would be... 5tarscream, right?

Meaning Benjamin might yet get one more red scan, while Mafia bet it all on their godfather, right?

Keep in mind those would be the last two scum too. Literally every scum on deck to suicide into the cop. Seems absurd.
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so that godfather would have to be clear, but not too clear to have made it to F3

I dunno

I just don't see the godfather winning this game

They'd have to weasel out of a lot of mislynches

HB is scum before Lopen

Also, if Tom's claim is real

Can't Tom just target the Mafia submitting the Kill, and then Tom takes the kill instead of Mafia's intended target?

So Tom should have...

11 - 1
9 - 2
8 - 3
7 - 4
5 - 5

5 chances to eat the night kill

And realistic odds are, Tom SHOULD never be in the final 3

Camarija posted...

Also, if Tom's claim is real

Can't Tom just target the Mafia submitting the Kill, and then Tom takes the kill instead of Mafia's intended target?

Yep.

Inb4 Tom is a mafia backup backup and thus a third redirector
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Camarija posted...

Also, if Tom's claim is real

Can't Tom just target the Mafia submitting the Kill, and then Tom takes the kill instead of Mafia's intended target?

Yup. I'm a little jealous of the yomi battle between Tom and scum tonight

@Tom_Bombadil

Would you mind terribly listing all of your targets for each night?

Mostly for posterity sake

Camarija posted...

Is there any veracity in the theory that a Alignment Godfather exists?

Wouldn't be surprising

Camarija posted...

Can't Tom just target the Mafia submitting the Kill, and then Tom takes the kill instead of Mafia's intended target?

This is what I've been trying to do all game (with half an exception for also trying to clear myself with 5tar last night.) Harder than it looks- not only do you have to be right about who's scum but you have to also guess which one is sending the kill. Which is harder the more you press your suspects, especially now that I'm claimed.

Camarija posted...

Would you mind terribly listing all of your targets for each night?

Sbell Pez Lopen 5tar
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Also, let's assume we vote out Death this game phase, and then we vote out another Mafia the following game phase

At that stage, could we use Tom if there are wrongful flips to spare?

What I mean is, Tom could then publicly state who he plans to target

And if Tom dies, we have a little 50/50 there

As in:

Tom targeted the Mafia, or he didn't

Worst case scenario, we lose a wrongful flip

Best case, Tom dies a hero

Does this make sense?

I know this is further down the road but it can work for end game stuff

Tom Bombadil posted...

Camarija posted...

Is there any veracity in the theory that a Alignment Godfather exists?

Wouldn't be surprising

Camarija posted...

Can't Tom just target the Mafia submitting the Kill, and then Tom takes the kill instead of Mafia's intended target?

This is what I've been trying to do all game (with half an exception for also trying to clear myself with 5tar last night.) Harder than it looks- not only do you have to be right about who's scum but you have to also guess which one is sending the kill. Which is harder the more you press your suspects, especially now that I'm claimed.

Camarija posted...

Would you mind terribly listing all of your targets for each night?

Sbell Pez Lopen 5tar

If you attracted Pez, then Mafia would already know your flavor because they have a bookreader

you have a point there

5tar did still have to guess I targeted him if he's scum though
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lightning rod = redirector

Flavor Cop = Flavor Miller

Cop = Godfather

Bodyguard = ?

Chronomancer = ?

Mayor = ?

Kingmaker = ?

oh yeah, they had a backup too

So, Chris was Strongmanned then?

Right?

Because lolo protected Chris, but Corrik also protected Chris

And Chris died, not Lolo

So, Mafia had a strongman

Tom Bombadil posted...

you have a point there

5tar did still have to guess I targeted him if he's scum though

5tar could still have a scum power that was used last night.
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Camarija posted...

So, Chris was Strongmanned then?

Right?

Because lolo protected Chris, but Corrik also protected Chris

And Chris died, not Lolo

So, Mafia had a strongman

Or Corrik's power superceded lolos.
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Obellisk posted...

Camarija posted...

So, Chris was Strongmanned then?

Right?

Because lolo protected Chris, but Corrik also protected Chris

And Chris died, not Lolo

So, Mafia had a strongman

Or Corrik's power superceded lolos.

I think in terms of order of operations that doesn't make a lot of sense to me

I can understand what you're suggesting

That perhaps it was a normal kill

But if it were a normal kill, then Lolo would have been the one with a suspended death, not Chris

Also, the strongman makes more or less sense with the two town protectives like that

I can easily see :

Mafia Strongman = Town Chronomancer