Board 8 > So...should we just agree that the "Forum Game" tag belongs to mafia?

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I didn't know I could filter topics until this topic, what a wonderful feature
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I agree that Corrik isn't really on the same level as certain other users being discussed.

foolm0r0n posted...

Wayyyy too many people here have this issue, including Lasa for sure.

wut? i usually just take posts at face value and when people go "I WAS JUST TROLLING OLOLO" i go "ok whatever." like, if i were so worried about being "got" by trolls, there wouldn't be a huge argument in this topic. because then i would have never responded to ulti in the first place.
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Lopen posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

childish grudge over how I treated you 5 years ago that I admitted was wrong

The problem we have is I think it was less you realizing you were wrong and more you realizing your limits. If it had worked with me you very well may have continued it with Lasa. Lasa isn't super well liked but he isn't an easy target to that level either.

Like I definitely don't think someone who is trying to objectively analyze posts like you try to imply you do is going to come to a similar conclusion with MWC as they are with Corrik. They just aren't. You keep playing it that way and when you do I point out the hypocrisy of you of all people being the messenger. That's how it works. Hypocrisy is a big peeve of mine.

I recognise the difference in MWC and Corrik's posting styles but to me the intent comes to more or less the same thing - antagonize other users. Whether Corrik actually believes these things is immaterial. I think MWC genuinely dislikes Hulk Hogan but channels it to play an offensive character. Corrik might believe some or all of the stuff he says but I 100% believe he also enjoys annoying other users and courting their dislike in the process.

I haven't ever even had a cross word with Corrik, I don't think. He hasn't really got to me or something. I just read his posts and wrote him off as a troll a long time ago. I wouldn't even say he's a user I dislike. I just don't think of him that way. He's just another troll to be written off and ignored, same as any of the others.

You're just way off the mark here. If you can't understand why I see Corrik that way, fine, but don't jump to the worst possible conclusion that I only do it to be some cowardly, hypocritical bully. Why can't I just be (in your opinion) wrong about him?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

putting corrik in the same category as people like MWC is ridiculous tbqh.

is corrik bad at communicating? sometimes. is he stubborn? absolutely. is he annoying? often enough (particularly when he overuses words like "yinz" and "lol"). but he's definitely NOT someone who's absolutely impossible to take seriously, like MWC is.

Again, MWC is more of a cartoon character than Corrik but I'm not interested in ranking their effectiveness or their styles, I'm just interested in "are they deliberately antagonistic trolls or not?" Whether MWC is better at it, or more obvious, or whatever metric you want to use literally does not matter.
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Of course you, oh exalted arbiter of post merit, would never dislike a user you speak down upon.

I'm just coming to a conclusion based on evidence and your history and not giving your character the benefit of a doubt when you've given me no reason to. Hypocrites exist! It's okay to be one no one is judging you for it. Well I am but you know. Other people.
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Lopen posted...

Of course you, oh exalted arbiter of post merit, would never dislike a user you speak down upon.

I'm just coming to a conclusion based on evidence and your history and not giving your character the benefit of a doubt when you've given me no reason to. Hypocrites exist! It's okay to be one no one is judging you for it. Well I am but you know. Other people.

I spoke down about Lasa literally in this topic. I have said unspeakably bad things to and about other users I dislike. The reality is exactly as I'm stating it. Certain users are trolls and imo shouldn't be responded to. And my issue is really with those that do - Jakyl or Lasa or Dark Young Link or whoever else.

Like this whole thing started because of my attacks on Lasa due to his enabling of Ulti. I don't typically attack the trolls. I attack the people who enable them.
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The "trolls" as you call them are obviously being attacked as well as the "enablers." With the "trolls" you're just doing it in a condescending indirect type of way because that makes you look smarter or whatever.
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Yeah, I suppose if I was wrong and they weren't trolling it would be an unfair attack. But I obviously don't think I'm wrong.

Look, I want this done with because I'm pretty done with your harassment at this point. I do not tell users to stop enabling trolls because I see the trolls as "easy targets". I am and have been very willing to attack "normal" users I actually dislike straight-up with no weird, "indirect" subtle games (again - Lasa, charon, Pokewars, etc). I'm sorry that we disagree about Corrik, but this also isn't something I even do anymore. Are you going to keep harassing me just for thinking these things? We're going over such outdated ground here.
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I only bring it up when you do, either directly by trying to tell people to do ignore trolls, or indirectly by saying your troll ignoring virtue is so great.

So if you're being honest you won't be "harassed." Pretty simple! I don't non sequitur into it like you're trying to imply here. For someone claiming Lasa has a victim complex you're milking being a victim pretty good here.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

like, if i were so worried about being "got" by trolls, there wouldn't be a huge argument in this topic. because then i would have never responded to ulti in the first place.

No my point is responding to Ulti is easy for anyone because there is no risk of a gotcha
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This absolutely was a non sequitur. Lasa came after me with something that was totally off the mark. I responded. What do you expect?

I am being honest. You just aren't understanding how I see users. You are actually refusing to do so, refusing to even try, preferring instead to double down on this idea that I have some highly complicated way of attacking users rather than it just being exactly what I say it is. I've provided clear evidence that you're wrong which you just conveniently ignore every time. This just comes down to you and I disagreeing on Corrik, doesn't it? Can you really not just let that go?
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I understand your behavior well enough to know to not really trust your words. You can claim you're this and that but your behavior simply doesn't match.

Honestly the biggest red flag that you lack the capacity to be impartial with this kinda stuff is your moderator title. No one cares enough to be a moderator on this website without caring about it a bit too much.
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I would totally be a moderator just to no-action stuff (like Steiner calling stupid people stupid, or MI calling himself gay)

but I don't care enough to fill out the form so maybe Lopen is right
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I'd be a mod to warn myself every time I said I was 12
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Lopen posted...

I understand your behavior well enough to know to not really trust your words. You can claim you're this and that but your behavior simply doesn't match.

Honestly the biggest red flag that you lack the capacity to be impartial with this kinda stuff is your moderator title. No one cares enough to be a moderator on this website without caring about it a bit too much.

I probably do care about it too much.

But wouldn't that be more appropriate for what I'm saying? I care about it so much and I want people to stop enabling trolls whose sole purpose is to make the board worse. Either way, me "caring about the board too much" doesn't really help you here.

You don't even have a complete picture of my behaviour, you're operating only on what you want to believe, and when I have tried to complete that picture for you you have ignored it. That's the definition of ignorance - putting your own beliefs over actual facts that are presented to you.
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The accusations toward me are ridiculous. If you check my entire posting history, the worst thing you could find are maybe some NKL posts in Hearthstone topics for exceptionally ticky-tack things. I know this because a moderator (and I just cannot possibly figure out who) recently went through my usermap's entire posting history and I had a couple of weeks-old posts get removed with NKLs. They were just completely harmless posts like "Imagine actually [defending] Activision in 2019." I have to of course censor the incredibly awful term that I used in place of "defending" that you'll see on NBA Twitter on an hourly basis. This site we're using might have a 13 year old on it, after all.

This stuff doesn't even remotely compare to the nonsense you see in Discord, for the record. Just yesterday, these people had to go dig up stuff from LUElinks from nine years ago (really dumb gay slurs I would never say today, for obvious reasons) to pretend they're able to "get one over on me". The irony is LL was sitting there making fun of mental disabilities, but you won't see a word from the Discord Clique calling that out if it's said toward someone not in their chosen circle. The irony is hilarious to me. "You shouldn't make fun of marginalized populations, but if you accuse Ulti of having Aspergers Syndrome or otherwise being autistic it's totally fine, because he's a POS anyway". You can go in Discord right now, search "Ulti", and see 123 pages of this crap.

But I'm the bad guy. Right. Some of you should be utterly ashamed of yourselves, because you guys act far more like the strawmen you love tearing down than you're willing to admit.
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XIII_rocks posted...

I recognise the difference in MWC and Corrik's posting styles but to me the intent comes to more or less the same thing - antagonize other users. Whether Corrik actually believes these things is immaterial. I think MWC genuinely dislikes Hulk Hogan but channels it to play an offensive character. Corrik might believe some or all of the stuff he says but I 100% believe he also enjoys annoying other users and courting their dislike in the process.

Wait what? Did a moderator of this site seriously just post this? What the...
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NFUN posted...

I'd be a mod to warn myself every time I said I was 12

Your only act as a mod would be to ban yourself.
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This topic seriously sprang out of nowhere. Holy crap. Last post I remember seeing was about the game of mafia. My name is littered throughout this topic. Let me read this crap real quick because on quick scan it looks like a moderator is trying to bash me over and over. ???
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I just searched Hitler on Google and got 16,000,000 pages of people attacking him. And he is supposed to be the bad guy???
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XIII_rocks posted...

Lopen posted...

Whacked out Lopen opinions have existed for over 5 years dude. You had a problem with me and now are playing damage control. I don't care if you have a problem with me cause I obviously don't think your posts are worth reading generally either, but the fact that you did your preachy enablement thing with me is what makes me mock you every time you try and play that card as you trying to be some sort of impartial arbiter of post quality or whatever.

It's just your cute way to try and put yourself over as some sort of intelligent thinker while slandering users you don't like that are disliked enough that people won't call you on bullshit.

I don't think me saying Vlado, MWC and Corrik posts shouldn't be responded to makes me look intelligent. If nothing else a similar sentiment exists in the politics topic quite regularly with SephG, red sox and Corrik.

I guess the disconnect here is that you continue to take their posts at face value, so you see what I do as an attempt to like...censor people who are simply posting honest opinions. Whereas I see them as people who aren't honest, who come to the board with a specific antagonistic agenda in mind. You seem to think of them as just normal guys the board happens to dislike, whereas I see them as people who court that dislike deliberately, who come here with malicious intent. Am I right?

Why do they allow moderators with this much political bias that they literally say on their own forum they moderate that people should literally not have conversation with their users? That is some of the craziest things I have ever seen. A literal moderator saying people should alienate members and users of their forum.

That is like anti-forum behavior from a moderator.

Newsflash: You could literally just put "vocal conservatives" in your post to replace basically every user you named. You are being politically biased.

Like that is crazy. XIII, you need to be better than that in a moderator capacity. Wow.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

There are multiple posts of 13 openly flaming people in this topic. 10 dollars says they aren't removed.

No one ITT is such a snowflake baby as to mark his posts for flaming, so the other mods won't even see it.

These are the times when I wish we could just be SJWs for a day so we could cry about people insulting us on the internet without feeling guilty.
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Holy christ imagine having a definition of "conservative" that includes MWC
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foolm0r0n posted...

Holy christ imagine having a definition of "conservative" that includes MWC

He is right wing. Far right. In comparison to me who is barely center-right. That said, it is a clear trend.

If you simply flip the political spectrum here, it would be GMUN, Peaf, Reg, Kenri or whatever that are the trolls. You shouldn't be determining who is trolls based on their politics. That's insane.

90% of people in politics, religion, etc arguments have their views and are not going to agree with one another. They both think the other side is simply wrong. There is generally no such thing as proving you are right in most cases.

To say these people aren't worth engaging or talking to is to say you want an echo chamber. No moderator should ever argue for that.

Being conservative doesn't make you a troll. I was never even considered this way until I discussed politics here anyways. That should be a wake up call realization regarding the mindset here.

Just because less conservative viewpoints are more mainstream here (hint they aren't everywhere) and you have 20 people arguing with maybe 3 on the other side, doesn't make the side with 3 wrong, trolls, or not worth discussing with.

Just like in the discussion regarding transgender populace in the other topic. Just because it was like 90 - 25 in the poll, it didn't mean the 25 shouldn't have a say or be allowed to discuss it. It also doesn't mean they are trolls. Or that the 90 are bigots or whatever.

Discussion is discussion. People have different opinions, and it is not very often that there is a black and white answer to things. We throw around studies and research as facts when we know that studies get debunked all the time down the road. That is for both sides. That is why when I site studies, and I am like so and so doesn't agree with you, I don't call you a troll if you say you disagree with the research.

The problem is that too many times people think their side has to be right and thus if someone is arguing differently that they have to be trolling and purposely arguing wrongly.

This is a very limited view and self-centric view. This is the kind of stuff I have to remind my fiancee about repeatedly when she talks religion. Other opinions exist. You may feel you are right, but it doesn't necessarily mean you are right. Stop acting like anyone who disagrees with you is wrong or trolling.

And, XIII, you should be moderating from that perspective.

Purpose of moderators is to make sure that discussion doesn't cross clear lines. Telling people to alienate users and ignore them is so bad from a moderators perspective. It is literally against what your job should be.
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Corrik7 posted...

Why do they allow moderators with this much political bias that they literally say on their own forum they moderate that people should literally not have conversation with their users? That is some of the craziest things I have ever seen. A literal moderator saying people should alienate members and users of their forum.

That is like anti-forum behavior from a moderator.

Newsflash: You could literally just put "vocal conservatives" in your post to replace basically every user you named. You are being politically biased.

I feel like that's the logical conclusion of his belief system though

Board 8 is a pretty liberal place in general. If you come here and post conservative views (even if 100% sincere), people are going to get riled up. Then XIII will say "Aha! Deliberately riling people up!" (and in a sense it IS deliberate, since you're aware that many people on the board strongly disagree with your genuinely held beliefs) and then he writes you off forever as a troll.

So yeah rip all vocal conservatives

(But it's not like...per se politically biased, because if board 8 were a predominantly conservative forum, XIII would be shunning the liberals)
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Corrik7 posted...

Newsflash: You could literally just put "vocal conservatives" in your post to replace basically every user you named.

So why isn't foolmo a target then? He's definitely vocal, and he's most certainly a (self-admitted) conservative. Just because he may have a different definition than others doesn't make it not true.

Edit: XIII is very clearly speaking from his own perspective rather than as some sort of moderator orders from up high.
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XIII and others don't call you a troll because you're center-right

You just made a massive post explaining exactly why it's illogical to call someone a troll because they are center-right

So why not have the tiniest bit of self awareness and realize people aren't calling you a troll because you're center-right, but because you post ridiculous and inflammatory shit sometimes? Why is taking that last step so hard when you're so close to the conclusion?

Or at least explain why I am not included on any of these vocal conservative troll lists even though I am undeniably the most hardcore actual conservative on the board by far
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Gatarix posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Why do they allow moderators with this much political bias that they literally say on their own forum they moderate that people should literally not have conversation with their users? That is some of the craziest things I have ever seen. A literal moderator saying people should alienate members and users of their forum.

That is like anti-forum behavior from a moderator.

Newsflash: You could literally just put "vocal conservatives" in your post to replace basically every user you named. You are being politically biased.

I feel like that's the logical conclusion of his belief system though

Board 8 is a pretty liberal place in general. If you come here and post conservative views (even if 100% sincere), people are going to get riled up. Then XIII will say "Aha! Deliberately riling people up!" (and in a sense it IS deliberate, since you're aware that many people on the board strongly disagree with your genuinely held beliefs) and then he writes you off forever as a troll.

So yeah rip all vocal conservatives

(But it's not like...per se politically biased, because if board 8 were a predominantly conservative forum, XIII would be shunning the liberals)

That is censorship though. This is not the Liberal board. This is the Board 8 Social board. Nobody here is coming to the Liberal board to spout Conservative views.

If this was the Liberal Politics board, he would have a leg to stand on with that argument.

And, the worst part is, that moderators generally have done a poor job of even correctly dousing that type of trolling anyways. The Xbox is regularly hit by users coming to spout how PlayStation is better. That is a better example of trolling.

Yet, it is rampant, while we talk about differing views on a social board that is not intended for a specific view.
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foolm0r0n posted...

because you post ridiculous and inflammatory shit sometimes

My moderation history makes this a laughable claim.

Prior account and current.

While you have people calling you trolls and saying you are inflammatory who are using like 5 different accounts to circumvent their moderations and bans.

Like, get real.
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Yeah to be clear I'm not defending XIII, just explaining how I think his system works
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Gatarix posted...

Yeah to be clear I'm not defending XIII, just explaining how I think his system works

Do you think, like, MWC's posts are just non-inflammatory conservative opinions? Presuming the answer is no, it basically seems like the disconnect here is just my perception of Corrik.
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MetalmindStats posted...

So why isn't foolmo a target then? He's definitely vocal, and he's most certainly a (self-admitted) conservative. Just because he may have a different definition than others doesn't make it not true.

Foolmo is not an easy target is why
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I seriously don't get these appeal to authority that y'all do on gamefaqs. The mods don't determine law and they certainly don't determine what is trolling or not.

Corrik7 posted...

While you have people calling you trolls and saying you are inflammatory who are using like 5 different accounts to circumvent their moderations and bans.

If this is referring to me then yeah, I fucking troll sometimes so I don't cry about it for 250 posts when someone has the AUDACITY to call me a troll.

I don't invent conspiracy theories where users are becoming gamefaqs moderators so they can perform a cultural marxist cleansing of all opposing viewpoints from a video game message board, just because they called me a troll or said they don't like me.

Sometimes I troll and sometimes people don't like me. That's it. I honestly cannot comprehend the fragility that is required to think this is some sort of holocaust that I am caught up in because I have chosen to speak my mind.
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Lopen posted...

MetalmindStats posted...

So why isn't foolmo a target then? He's definitely vocal, and he's most certainly a (self-admitted) conservative. Just because he may have a different definition than others doesn't make it not true.

Foolmo is not an easy target is why

Respond to my post up there. This has been utterly debunked so at this point continuing it really is slanderous harassment.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Gatarix posted...

Yeah to be clear I'm not defending XIII, just explaining how I think his system works

Do you think, like, MWC's posts are just non-inflammatory conservative opinions? Presuming the answer is no, it basically seems like the disconnect here is just my perception of Corrik.

I think you are getting your perception from liberal friends and acquaintances and then are trying to look for the dots to connect in regards to things.

While MWC may be a troll, there is a clear trend of everyone you did list. Why is that?

As a moderator you shouldn't have bias.

No idea why I am trying to discuss with you though because you made it clear you are ignoring me for whatever reason, I guess.


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You telling me how to interpret your personality is not 'debunking' anything, dude. I know what you've done and your history on the board. You call it willful ignorance I call it not giving you a benefit of a doubt when you've earned none.
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Does XIII have a bias as a moderator? The things he is talking about seem to be a) things that he has posted before becoming a moderator, and therefore b) continues to post, as a board user, not in moderator capacity. This all seems related to XIII's personal opinions. Unless he has actually moderated people based on this.

Lopen posted...

You telling me how to interpret your personality is not 'debunking' anything, dude. I know what you've done and your history on the board. You call it willful ignorance I call it not giving you a benefit of a doubt when you've earned none.

You don't know my history on the board. You've ignored the examples I gave of stuff you clearly had no knowledge of. Charon, Pokewars. Very easy targets. Never once said "stop responding to them." Again, this utterly debunks your entire theory but you ignored it because you prefer to continue being malicious.
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foolm0r0n posted...

the most hardcore actual conservative

NO I AM
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foolm0r0n posted...

I seriously don't get these appeal to authority that y'all do on gamefaqs. The mods don't determine law and they certainly don't determine what is trolling or not.

Moderators are here to ensure the "law" (rules of the board) are followed. That is to a tee what they are here for.

They are supposed to determine what is trolling and eliminate it as it is against the ToS.

They are allowed to be wrong, but they are supposed to be doing their best job to do what is right.

Otherwise, you get moderators like NeoGAF had that just purged everyone who thought differently and begin your forum down a path of an echo chamber which slowly spirals out of control.

Yes, I like to think that our moderators can and are doing their job properly to uphold the rules of the board as they are supposed to.
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Y'all nerds
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XIII_rocks posted...

Gatarix posted...

Yeah to be clear I'm not defending XIII, just explaining how I think his system works

Do you think, like, MWC's posts are just non-inflammatory conservative opinions? Presuming the answer is no, it basically seems like the disconnect here is just my perception of Corrik.

MWC is kind of all over the place. In politics, I think he's probably just a genuine hardliner? But I don't follow b8 politics enough to say for sure. In sports he totally inflates his views for trolling. In SMFFFC he was following Steiner around like a wide-eyed puppy and basically annoyed him to no end but I think that was as real MWC as you can get.
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Dels posted...

Does XIII have a bias as a moderator? The things he is talking about seem to be a) things that he has posted before becoming a moderator, and therefore b) continues to post, as a board user, not in moderator capacity. This all seems related to XIII's personal opinions. Unless he has actually moderated people based on this.

I don't know. As a moderator telling people to ignore members of the board makes me assume as his position of moderator that he may be biased as a moderator, and you would wonder if behind the doors there are bias in his duties as well. (Which we would obviously not know).

Would he give a 3KL to a user he considers a troll compared to a NKL to someone he doesn't for the same message? We do not really know. His comments however as a moderator in labeling those on the board and encouraging their posts to be ignored or disregarded is not encouraging.

I like to hope he is doing a good job though.

I mean, how many people here got a message deleted for "spoilers" for referring to the death of a character in a game from 20 years ago that is mainstream knowledge and referred to constantly without spoiler tags elsewhere?

Should we question if that was bias? I mean, this argument doesn't even exist without the moderator himself speaking an outright bias in his posts regarding his opinions. Then the questions begin.

If a recruiter said "Black people are the worst", would you question if that recruiter behind the scenes was doing his job unbiased or was maybe slanting against black people? Maybe he does the most unbiased and best job as a recruiter! But, you begin to wonder when they are speaking of outright negative opinions regarding some!

I want to believe XIII is doing a good job, however. I just don't get why he is saying to ignore members of the forum either!
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Corrik7 posted...

Yes, I like to think that our moderators can and are doing their job properly to uphold the rules of the board as they are supposed to.

That's a fun thought, but they don't

Now what?

Pretend they are principled despite the overwhelming evidence and elect them president I guess
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foolm0r0n posted...

Corrik7 posted...

Yes, I like to think that our moderators can and are doing their job properly to uphold the rules of the board as they are supposed to.

That's a fun thought, but they don't

Now what?

Pretend they are principled despite the overwhelming evidence and elect them president I guess

Then they should be replaced with ones who can do the job properly.
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I'm not saying XIII fails as a moderator or anything. Just defending why I think the way I do about how he operates as a person. Being that way doesn't necessarily mean he's unable to put that way of thinking aside when he's moderating. I haven't been moderated yet since his reign began, so that's a good sign!
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Lopen posted...

I'm not saying XIII fails as a moderator or anything. Just defending why I think the way I do about how he operates as a person. Being that way doesn't necessarily mean he's unable to put that way of thinking aside when he's moderating. I haven't been moderated yet since his reign began, so that's a good sign!

I don't know if making comments which question whether he is able to though is a very good idea. We wouldn't even be considering it without the comments he decided to make. He personally took it upon himself to name drop for zero reason. I don't understand that.
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Corrik7 posted...

Then they should be replaced with ones who can do the job properly.

Ah but it's not that easy. Impeach Trump, and you just have Pence in his place. Vote him out and you have who, Warren?

Lopen actually said something smart earlier, that XIII being a mod is the biggest red flag. Only a certain type of person is willing to do that, and it is necessarily someone who can't do the job properly. It's institutional.

That said, no one of this has anything do to with you choosing to believe in and define yourself by what makes you feel good, instead of the actual reality with mountains of evidence. If that's "conservative" to you then fine, but it's also what leads you to (perceived) trolling.
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