Current Events > am i being unreasonable or is the job i'm applying to being unreasonable?

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A_A_Battery posted...

Yeah. Everyone loves working with the nitpicking zealot. You got this detail wrooooong.

again, everything you just said is pure speculation....you have no clue how my field works or what the hiring manager thinks. and in engineering, every detail matters a lot.
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No_U_L7 posted...

A_A_Battery posted...

Yeah. Everyone loves working with the nitpicking zealot. You got this detail wrooooong.

again, everything you just said is pure speculation....you have no clue how my field works or what the hiring manager thinks. and in engineering, every detail matters a lot.

That is even more true in computer science, my own field, so I understand. But we are not discussing an engineering project nor some code document.

A_A_Battery posted...

That is even more true in computer science, my own field, so I understand. But we are not discussing an engineering project nor some code document.

that attention to detail and being willing to speak up can translate to projects.....or i might just be annoying with it. it's unfair to put words in the hiring engineer's mouth either way. i don't think it will help me, but i don't think it will hurt me either. there's an expression-the squeaky wheel gets the grease. it exists for a reason.
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Well, when you get that reaction from everyone in the topic, chances are thats how others see it too. A stickler, not someone easy to deal with. Thats just an honest reaction.

A_A_Battery posted...

Well, when you get that reaction from everyone in the topic, chances are thats how others see it too. A stickler, not someone easy to deal with. Thats just an honest reaction.

most people on this forum misread the topic and most people on this forum are conformers. same reason my pick up artist topics get so much pushback. doesn't mean it's wrong
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Yes we are definitely the delusional ones in your girl pick up topics.
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LookANinja posted...

Yes we are definitely the delusional ones in your girl pick up topics.

all i'm saying is that standing out isn't a bad thing, in life, in general

people on here are so afraid of making any sort of splash or move and on the whole you'll miss a ton of opportunities. i'd rather take opportunities and fuck up (and learn) than avoid them, because when those chances hit it's well worth it
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No_U_L7 posted...

all i'm saying is that standing out isn't a bad thing, in life, in general

no one is saying be a push over all the time. It's about picking your battles, lol.

There is a fine line between "sticking up for yourself" or being assertive and a go-getter, versus being hard-headed and abrasive. Especially when this person in question doesn't seem to have great insight into how they come off and try and excuse everything rather than just owning up.
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BlameAnesthesia posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

all i'm saying is that standing out isn't a bad thing, in life, in general

no one is saying be a push over all the time. It's about picking your battles, lol.

There is a fine line between "sticking up for yourself" or being assertive and a go-getter, versus being hard-headed and abrasive. Especially when this person in question doesn't seem to have great insight into how they come off and try and excuse everything rather than just owning up.

Literally posted the same thing... dude didnt get it.

BlameAnesthesia posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

all i'm saying is that standing out isn't a bad thing, in life, in general

no one is saying be a push over all the time. It's about picking your battles, lol.

There is a fine line between "sticking up for yourself" or being assertive and a go-getter, versus being hard-headed and abrasive. Especially when this person in question doesn't seem to have great insight into how they come off and try and excuse everything rather than just owning up.

This was a battle worth picking imo, government wasnt following the rules. I set them right
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A_A_Battery posted...

Yeah. Everyone loves working with the nitpicking zealot. You got this detail wrooooong.

Thats why they didnt even want to interview TC to begin with
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No_U_L7 posted...

This was a battle worth picking imo, government wasnt following the rules. I set them right

You being in the right or the wrong here is still missing the goddamn point. You can be right and not get the job because they didn't like you.

Key words: didn't like you.

So rather than being a hard-liner for the rules, it's better to be someone who is more pro-social, a team player. Accommodate the government bureaucracy, because otherwise you just come off as an entitled person that the hiring team is just going to say "fuck this guy" and look onto the next.

Case in point, the person manning the phone for the hiring process probably isn't even remotely related to the IT person. If you, a person asking for a job, make them do more work and outside their scope, it's not going to help your case.
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The real question is why did you bother posting this if you've already made up your mind about the whole situation?

That if nothing else tells me this is fake
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BlameAnesthesia posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

This was a battle worth picking imo, government wasnt following the rules. I set them right

You being in the right or the wrong here is still missing the goddamn point. You can be right and not get the job because they didn't like you.

Key words: didn't like you.

So rather than being a hard-liner for the rules, it's better to be someone who is more pro-social, a team player. Accommodate the government bureaucracy, because otherwise you just come off as an entitled person that the hiring team is just going to say "fuck this guy" and look onto the next.

Case in point, the person manning the phone for the hiring process probably isn't even remotely related to the IT person. If you, a person asking for a job, make them do more work and outside their scope, it's not going to help your case.

Imagine being this afraid that people wouldn't like you that you're afraid to speak your mind
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When can we expect the topic about the fake interview and then the topic about the fake job offer? Probably a few topics about what blazer to wear to said fake interview and a few topics about a fake celebratory pick up attempt.

TC, you're arguing on CE. It's never gonna turn out positive.
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No_U_L7 posted...

Update: I reached out to HQ HR. They said this division is obligated to accept my original application. They called this division to tell them that and I received an email saying my application has been processed.

Look at that, guess I was right...who would have thought. All I had to do was...stand up for myself.

Hi. Former hiring manager/HR rep for large mfg companies. Here's how that conversation went (over the phone of course, no paper trail):

"Hi Johnny, I got this very long winded complaint that you won't give No U L7 an interview. Pretty sure we're on the same page, I've seen the correspondence, do me a solid and just give them the interview OK? They're not wrong, but let's take the path of least resistance here. When they contact you about a decision, just keep it short and sweet; have not made a decision, still evaluating, haven't found or selected ***A*** candidate. Fwd or cc me on any correspondence. Thanks!"

I cannot tell you how many people I just gave an interview to avoid all the drama you're bringing. Again, you're not wrong, but you shot yourself in the foot (yes I understand the min candidate pool you're talking about) by getting me (HR) involved before you're even in the lobby. How do you not see that as a red flag and a horrible first impression? You were dead in the water before contacting HR, you nuked the crash site by contacting them.
I'll take a less qualified but charming, competent and reasonable candidate over the most qualified but arrogant and hostile one every single time.

What you should have done, was just go apply in person and even make a light joke about it while highlighting how bad you want it.
"Had to move some things around but I sure am glad you could see me. Nice to see the place/people for myself too!" Swallow the pride, man. World is full of mf's who screwed themselves in the interest of being right.

No_U_L7 posted...

Imagine being this afraid that people wouldn't like you that you're afraid to speak your mind

You really know how to drive a gimmick to the ground, huh?
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PCBEEEEEEYYYY posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

Update: I reached out to HQ HR. They said this division is obligated to accept my original application. They called this division to tell them that and I received an email saying my application has been processed.

Look at that, guess I was right...who would have thought. All I had to do was...stand up for myself.

Hi. Former hiring manager/HR rep for large mfg companies. Here's how that conversation went (over the phone of course, no paper trail):

"Hi Johnny, I got this very long winded complaint that you won't give No U L7 an interview. Pretty sure we're on the same page, I've seen the correspondence, do me a solid and just give them the interview OK? They're not wrong, but let's take the path of least resistance here. When they contact you about a decision, just keep it short and sweet; have not made a decision, still evaluating, haven't found or selected ***A*** candidate. Fwd or cc me on any correspondence. Thanks!"

I cannot tell you how many people I just gave an interview to avoid all the drama you're bringing. Again, you're not wrong, but you shot yourself in the foot (yes I understand the min candidate pool you're talking about) by getting me (HR) involved before you're even in the lobby. How do you not see that as a red flag and a horrible first impression? You were dead in the water before contacting HR, you nuked the crash site by contacting them.
I'll take a less qualified but charming, competent and reasonable candidate over the most qualified but arrogant and hostile one every single time.

What you should have done, was just go apply in person and even make a light joke about it while highlighting how bad you want it.
"Had to move some things around but I sure am glad you could see me. Nice to see the place/people for myself too!" Swallow the pride, man. World is full of mf's who screwed themselves in the interest of being right.

Lol if I screw myself over for that, then so be it. But it's much more likely the hiring manager wouldn't even care/know it was me. It's literally HRs job to make sure the hiring process is handled accurately. If you want to complain about someone making you do your job correctly when you fucked it up in the first place, go for it...but it says a lot more about you than it does about me
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No_U_L7 posted...

PCBEEEEEEYYYY posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

Update: I reached out to HQ HR. They said this division is obligated to accept my original application. They called this division to tell them that and I received an email saying my application has been processed.

Look at that, guess I was right...who would have thought. All I had to do was...stand up for myself.

Hi. Former hiring manager/HR rep for large mfg companies. Here's how that conversation went (over the phone of course, no paper trail):

"Hi Johnny, I got this very long winded complaint that you won't give No U L7 an interview. Pretty sure we're on the same page, I've seen the correspondence, do me a solid and just give them the interview OK? They're not wrong, but let's take the path of least resistance here. When they contact you about a decision, just keep it short and sweet; have not made a decision, still evaluating, haven't found or selected ***A*** candidate. Fwd or cc me on any correspondence. Thanks!"

I cannot tell you how many people I just gave an interview to avoid all the drama you're bringing. Again, you're not wrong, but you shot yourself in the foot (yes I understand the min candidate pool you're talking about) by getting me (HR) involved before you're even in the lobby. How do you not see that as a red flag and a horrible first impression? You were dead in the water before contacting HR, you nuked the crash site by contacting them.
I'll take a less qualified but charming, competent and reasonable candidate over the most qualified but arrogant and hostile one every single time.

What you should have done, was just go apply in person and even make a light joke about it while highlighting how bad you want it.
"Had to move some things around but I sure am glad you could see me. Nice to see the place/people for myself too!" Swallow the pride, man. World is full of mf's who screwed themselves in the interest of being right.

Lol if I screw myself over for that, then so be it. But it's much more likely the hiring manager wouldn't even care/know it was me. It's literally HRs job to make sure the hiring process is handled accurately. If you want to complain about someone making you do your job correctly when you fucked it up in the first place, go for it...but it says a lot more about you than it does about me

Cool man. Enjoy the $0/yr raise being right and going about it in the worst way possible got you.

PCBEEEEEEYYYY posted...

Cool man. Enjoy the $0/yr raise being right and going about it in the worst way possible got you.

not everything is about money. i do plenty fine in that regard. i saw the rules being broken, got HRs attention and got them to fix it. when you have issues with HR related matters, you're supposed to go to HR....so again, how is that the worst way possible?
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Usually the job is unreasonable

No_U_L7 posted...

PCBEEEEEEYYYY posted...

Cool man. Enjoy the $0/yr raise being right and going about it in the worst way possible got you.

not everything is about money. i do plenty fine in that regard. i saw the rules being broken, got HRs attention and got them to fix it. when you have issues with HR related matters, you're supposed to go to HR....so again, how is that the worst way possible?

Because if your goal was to get the job, then youve failed that goal several times over already.
If your goal is to "be right" at the expense of your image and you dont care about remaining unemployed, well congrats i guess.
The answer to your question is still that youre being unreasonable.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Because if your goal was to get the job, then youve failed that goal several times over already.
If your goal is to "be right" at the expense of your image and you dont care about remaining unemployed, well congrats i guess.

you guys are making so many assumptions about how they wouldn't hire me because i asked them to follow standard procedures. they should be happy i caught their error and put them in compliance. they should be happy i'm someone who pays attention and speaks my mind. maybe they are annoyed...maybe they aren't. at no point was i rude or demanding. i just asked to be treated fairly, which they should be willing to do.
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No_U_L7 posted...

they wouldn't hire me.

Did they specify why they wouldn't?
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008Zulu posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

they wouldn't hire me.

Did they specify why they wouldn't?

tf are you yakking about
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No_U_L7 posted...

most people on this forum misread the topic and most people on this forum are conformers. same reason my pick up artist topics get so much pushback. doesn't mean it's wrong

its honestly not that anyone is misreading the topic- its that they are so far removed from the concept. most people have only ever had to work private sector jobs where you have to shmooze, charm, kiss-ass, and sometimes lie in order to get the job. you put on your best fake smile and your cheeziest grin and only talk about the good and positive and the employer, the majority of the time, has all the control and can decide they don't what you because your tie was crooked or you said the word "irregardless" and they hate that word. as long as its not prove-able due to a specifically protected type of discrimination, that's what we are used to dealing with. that's why most of us are having trouble imagining the scenario, its not so much people being obtuse as you asking someone to think of something they've never experienced. hell, even the HR/hiring manager is struggling.
I know the kind of criteria you are talking about, and while nothing you did was technically wrong and it probably won't count against you, it feels wrong to us normal sector folks. like a technicality or a loophole to get out of doing something that wasn't all that much more work. i'm glad you got your application processing problem resolved. we will all still probably judge you as an asshole for it.
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Daffadilio posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

most people on this forum misread the topic and most people on this forum are conformers. same reason my pick up artist topics get so much pushback. doesn't mean it's wrong

its honestly not that anyone is misreading the topic- its that they are so far removed from the concept. most people have only ever had to work private sector jobs where you have to shmooze, charm, kiss-ass, and sometimes lie in order to get the job. you put on your best fake smile and your cheeziest grin and only talk about the good and positive and the employer, the majority of the time, has all the control and can decide they don't what you because your tie was crooked or you said the word "irregardless" and they hate that word. as long as its not prove-able due to a specifically protected type of discrimination, that's what we are used to dealing with. that's why most of us are having trouble imagining the scenario, its not so much people being obtuse as you asking someone to think of something they've never experienced. hell, even the HR/hiring manager is struggling.
I know the kind of criteria you are talking about, and while nothing you did was technically wrong and it probably won't count against you, it feels wrong to us normal sector folks. like a technicality or a loophole to get out of doing something that wasn't all that much more work. i'm glad you got your application processing problem resolved. we will all still probably judge you as an asshole for it.

well said. if this was a private company i'd agree with you guys
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I like how a bunch of the people agreeing with TC are old accounts with their posts set on private, low AMP, and no badges...
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

I like how a bunch of the people agreeing with TC are old accounts with their posts set on private, low AMP, and no badges...

not sure what you're getting at, but i only have 2 accounts which are both public knowledge
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No_U_L7 posted...

008Zulu posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

they wouldn't hire me.

Did they specify why they wouldn't?

tf are you yakking about

Why. They. Wouldn't. Hire. You.
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008Zulu posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

008Zulu posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

they wouldn't hire me.

Did they specify why they wouldn't?

tf are you yakking about

Why. They. Wouldn't. Hire. You.

interviews havent happened yet
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Depending on how you want to take this, IMO either they dodged a bullet or you did.
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