Current Events > Is access to clean water a human right?

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Is it?
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If the system allows it like in western culture

TalesofMedz posted...

If the system allows it like in western culture

Huh?
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Why should it be when there's perfectly good piss?
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If you're paying for it
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I wonder.

Is this liquid this is vital to survival a right or not?

I wonder.
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

If you're paying for it

Not sure you know what a human right is.
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BaiusGaltar posted...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

If you're paying for it

Not sure you know what a human right is.

I mean, I ain't paying to put in all those wells
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Yes.
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BaiusGaltar posted...

TalesofMedz posted...

If the system allows it like in western culture

Huh?

Rights only exist if enough people "believe" they exist, and then that belief is enforced.

They aren't inherent.
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

If you're paying for it

Not sure you know what a human right is.

I mean, I ain't paying to put in all those wells

What?
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BaiusGaltar posted...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

If you're paying for it

Not sure you know what a human right is.

I mean, I ain't paying to put in all those wells

What?

What do you mean?
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HANGtheDJ_86 posted...

Why should it be when there's perfectly good piss?

This. R Kelly was going in the right direction.
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Dark_SilverX posted...

HANGtheDJ_86 posted...

Why should it be when there's perfectly good piss?

This. R Kelly was going in the right direction.

Black privilege?

Dark_SilverX posted...

HANGtheDJ_86 posted...

Why should it be when there's perfectly good piss?

This. R Kelly was going in the right direction.

Gimme soma dat POO POO gimme soma dat PEE PEE
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Rights are a societal enforced concept. The United States is supposed to be based on Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Yes, under that criteria. Taxes should go to reasonably clean water.

Ive yet to have access to clean water in numerous countries Ive been.

What is this argument?
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I see nothing as a human right cause it makes me thankful for everything.
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It should be a constitutional/legal right in some countries.

It's not a "human right" though. Reason:

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4894760/xHRKVhA-1.png
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Shoot, 40+ million folks are still on well water
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Apparently not

See: Flint, Michigan
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Crono99 posted...

Rights didn't just pop out of nowhere.

Exactly. They only exist if society enforces them.

Itt: many people don't understand what a human right is.
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No, because clean water is a finite resource, albeit a crucial one. That being said, just because it's not a human right doesn't mean the government shouldn't work to secure it.
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BaiusGaltar posted...

Itt: many people don't understand what a human right is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E" data-time="

Magyar15 posted...

No, because clean water is a finite resource, albeit a crucial one. That being said, just because it's not a human right doesn't mean the government shouldn't work to secure it.

How does that stop it from being a human right?
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BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

No, because clean water is a finite resource, albeit a crucial one. That being said, just because it's not a human right doesn't mean the government shouldn't work to secure it.

How does that stop it from being a human right?

Because declaring a right to a finite resource doesn't make any sense. It's how you get rationing and redistribution, and coupled with that, corruption and inefficiency.
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Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

No, because clean water is a finite resource, albeit a crucial one. That being said, just because it's not a human right doesn't mean the government shouldn't work to secure it.

How does that stop it from being a human right?

Because you declaring a right to a finite resource doesn't make any sense. It's how you get rationing and redistribution, and coupled with that, corruption and inefficiency.

There is plenty of water for everyone to drink.
It's industry that is causing shortages.
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BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

No, because clean water is a finite resource, albeit a crucial one. That being said, just because it's not a human right doesn't mean the government shouldn't work to secure it.

How does that stop it from being a human right?

Because you declaring a right to a finite resource doesn't make any sense. It's how you get rationing and redistribution, and coupled with that, corruption and inefficiency.

There is plenty of water for everyone to drink.
It's industry that is causing shortages.

Distributing it is the issue. And show me an example where industry is causing a shortage of fresh water
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_scarcity

Corporations pose a significant threat to clean and affordable water. Onondaga Lake, the most polluted lake in America, is an example of how threatening corporations can be. During the late 1800s, people began building near the lake for the beautiful scenery and natural water it provided. As the area began to develop, a sewage treatment plant was built as well as multiple industrial chemical plants.[74] Because of the lack of environmental protection controls, the industries began to dump waste and chemical byproducts into Onondaga Lake. This practice continued for years until the lake was closed to swimming in 1940 and closed to fishing in 1970.[75] It was not until 2015 when Onondaga was re-opened for swimming, but at a combined cost of $1.1 billion in public and private money.[74]

Wind and solar power such as this installation in a village in northwest Madagascar can make a difference in safe water supply.
Construction of wastewater treatment plants and reduction of groundwater overdrafting appear to be obvious solutions to the worldwide problem; however, a deeper look reveals more fundamental issues in play. Wastewater treatment is highly capital intensive, restricting access to this technology in some regions; furthermore the rapid increase in population of many countries makes this a race that is difficult to win. As if those factors are not daunting enough, one must consider the enormous costs and skill sets involved to maintain wastewater treatment plants even if they are successfully developed.

Reducing groundwater overdrafting is usually politically unpopular, and can have major economic impacts on farmers. Moreover, this strategy necessarily reduces crop output, something the world can ill-afford given the current population.

At more realistic levels, developing countries can strive to achieve primary wastewater treatment or secure septic systems, and carefully analyse wastewater outfall design to minimize impacts to drinking water and to ecosystems. Developed countries can not only share technology better, including cost-effective wastewater and water treatment systems but also in hydrological transport modeling. At the individual level, people in developed countries can look inward and reduce over consumption, which further strains worldwide water consumption. Both developed and developing countries can increase protection of ecosystems, especially wetlands and riparian zones. There measures will not only conserve biota, but also render more effective the natural water cycle flushing and transport that make water systems more healthy for humans.

A range of local, low-tech solutions are being pursued by a number of companies. These efforts center around the use of solar power to distill water at temperatures slightly beneath that at which water boils. By developing the capability to purify any available water source, local business models could be built around the new technologies, accelerating their uptake. For example, Bedouins from the town of Dahab in Egypt have installed Aqua Danial's Water Stellar, which uses a solar thermal collector measuring two square meters to distill from 40 to 60 liters per day from any local water source. This is five times more efficient than conventional stills and eliminates the need for polluting plastic PET bottles or transportation of water supply.
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BaiusGaltar posted...

imize impacts to drinking water and to ecosystems. Developed countries can not only share technology better, including cost-effective wastewater and water treatment systems but also in hydrological transport modeling. At the individual level, people in developed countries can look inward and reduce over consumption, which further strains worldwide water consumption. Both developed and developing countries can increase protection of ecosystems, especially wetlands and riparian zones. There measures will not only conserve bi

Okay, so you're talking about environmental regulation to protect fresh water. I happen to agree with that principle. It's still a separate issue than declaring it a human right though
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Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

imize impacts to drinking water and to ecosystems. Developed countries can not only share technology better, including cost-effective wastewater and water treatment systems but also in hydrological transport modeling. At the individual level, people in developed countries can look inward and reduce over consumption, which further strains worldwide water consumption. Both developed and developing countries can increase protection of ecosystems, especially wetlands and riparian zones. There measures will not only conserve bi

Okay, so you're talking about environmental regulation to protect fresh water. I happen to agree with that principle. It's still a separate issue than declaring it a human right though

What makes a human right?
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BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

imize impacts to drinking water and to ecosystems. Developed countries can not only share technology better, including cost-effective wastewater and water treatment systems but also in hydrological transport modeling. At the individual level, people in developed countries can look inward and reduce over consumption, which further strains worldwide water consumption. Both developed and developing countries can increase protection of ecosystems, especially wetlands and riparian zones. There measures will not only conserve bi

Okay, so you're talking about environmental regulation to protect fresh water. I happen to agree with that principle. It's still a separate issue than declaring it a human right though

What makes a human right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights
"Human rights are moral principles or norms[1] that describe certain standards of human behaviour and are regularly protected as natural and legal rights in municipal and international law.[2] They are commonly understood as inalienable,[3] fundamental rights "to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being"[4] and which are "inherent in all human beings",[5] regardless of their nation, location, language, religion, ethnic origin or any other status.[3] They are applicable everywhere and at every time in the sense of being universal,[1] and they are egalitarian in the sense of being the same for everyone.[3] They are regarded as requiring empathy and the rule of law[6] and imposing an obligation on persons to respect the human rights of others,[1][3] and it is generally considered that they should not be taken away except as a result of due process based on specific circumstances;[3] for example, human rights may include freedom from unlawful imprisonment, torture and execution.[7]"

Fresh drinking water is a limited resource, so it is something that you cannot be entitled to as access varies by location, time period, etc.
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TC, we all know where you're going with this. Just get to the part where you complain about healthcare and be done with it.
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BaiusGaltar posted...

What makes a human right?

The adjective is just to separate it from animal rights. The basics of what makes a right is what I described.

It's just a concept not really a law of the universe like some people imply with flowery language.

Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

imize impacts to drinking water and to ecosystems. Developed countries can not only share technology better, including cost-effective wastewater and water treatment systems but also in hydrological transport modeling. At the individual level, people in developed countries can look inward and reduce over consumption, which further strains worldwide water consumption. Both developed and developing countries can increase protection of ecosystems, especially wetlands and riparian zones. There measures will not only conserve bi

Okay, so you're talking about environmental regulation to protect fresh water. I happen to agree with that principle. It's still a separate issue than declaring it a human right though

What makes a human right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights
"Human rights are moral principles or norms[1] that describe certain standards of human behaviour and are regularly protected as natural and legal rights in municipal and international law.[2] They are commonly understood as inalienable,[3] fundamental rights "to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being"[4] and which are "inherent in all human beings",[5] regardless of their nation, location, language, religion, ethnic origin or any other status.[3] They are applicable everywhere and at every time in the sense of being universal,[1] and they are egalitarian in the sense of being the same for everyone.[3] They are regarded as requiring empathy and the rule of law[6] and imposing an obligation on persons to respect the human rights of others,[1][3] and it is generally considered that they should not be taken away except as a result of due process based on specific circumstances;[3] for example, human rights may include freedom from unlawful imprisonment, torture and execution.[7]"

Fresh drinking water is a limited resource, so it is something that you cannot be entitled to as access varies by location, time period, etc.

What part of that definition says water isn't a human right because it's limited? Also, there is plenty of water for everyone to drink.
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I just don't get how something people need to live isn't considered a basic right to have by some.
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I believe in negative rights, not positive rights. If someone contaminates your water, they are violating your rights. However if you want access to a commodity that you dont have, you dont have the right to initiate violence on others to obtain it. Im a voluntarist.
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BaiusGaltar posted...

enty of water for everyone to drink.

"They are applicable everywhere and at every time in the sense of being universal,[1] and they are egalitarian in the sense of being the same for everyone."

Government's in the Middle Ages weren't violating people's rights because they didn't have clean drinking water. They were violating peoples rights in other ways. Governments in sub-Saharan Africa aren't necessarily violating peoples rights because people don't have clean drinking water. Access to clean drinking water varies by time and location, hence, it can't be a human right.
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HairyThotter posted...

Dark_SilverX posted...

HANGtheDJ_86 posted...

Why should it be when there's perfectly good piss?

This. R Kelly was going in the right direction.

Gimme soma dat POO POO gimme soma dat PEE PEE

give ya some of that DOO DOO, give ya some of that WEE WEE

Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

enty of water for everyone to drink.

"They are applicable everywhere and at every time in the sense of being universal,[1] and they are egalitarian in the sense of being the same for everyone."

Government's in the Middle Ages weren't violating people's rights because they didn't have clean drinking water. They were violating peoples rights in other ways. Governments in sub-Saharan Africa aren't necessarily violating peoples rights because people don't have clean drinking water. Access to clean drinking water varies by time and location, hence, it can't be a human right.

It is universal because everyone, everywhere needs it to survive as much as anyone. Its It's referring to the right, not the resource.
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BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

enty of water for everyone to drink.

"They are applicable everywhere and at every time in the sense of being universal,[1] and they are egalitarian in the sense of being the same for everyone."

Government's in the Middle Ages weren't violating people's rights because they didn't have clean drinking water. They were violating peoples rights in other ways. Governments in sub-Saharan Africa aren't necessarily violating peoples rights because people don't have clean drinking water. Access to clean drinking water varies by time and location, hence, it can't be a human right.

It is universal because everyone, everywhere needs it to survive as much as anyone. Its It's referring to the right, not the resource.

People can survive without clean water. Been doing it for thousands of years
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Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

enty of water for everyone to drink.

"They are applicable everywhere and at every time in the sense of being universal,[1] and they are egalitarian in the sense of being the same for everyone."

Government's in the Middle Ages weren't violating people's rights because they didn't have clean drinking water. They were violating peoples rights in other ways. Governments in sub-Saharan Africa aren't necessarily violating peoples rights because people don't have clean drinking water. Access to clean drinking water varies by time and location, hence, it can't be a human right.

It is universal because everyone, everywhere needs it to survive as much as anyone. Its It's referring to the right, not the resource.

People can survive without clean water. Been doing it for thousands of years

I supposed it's my wording. Potable water would have been the better term.
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Gamer girl bathwater is a right
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Magyar15 posted...

People can survive without clean water. Been doing it for thousands of years

You're welcome to go drink cholera infested water then. Don't see why others should have to, when the means exist to not need to.
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BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

Magyar15 posted...

BaiusGaltar posted...

enty of water for everyone to drink.

"They are applicable everywhere and at every time in the sense of being universal,[1] and they are egalitarian in the sense of being the same for everyone."

Government's in the Middle Ages weren't violating people's rights because they didn't have clean drinking water. They were violating peoples rights in other ways. Governments in sub-Saharan Africa aren't necessarily violating peoples rights because people don't have clean drinking water. Access to clean drinking water varies by time and location, hence, it can't be a human right.

It is universal because everyone, everywhere needs it to survive as much as anyone. Its It's referring to the right, not the resource.

People can survive without clean water. Been doing it for thousands of years

I supposed it's my wording. Potable water would have been the better term.

My answer stays the same. People brewed ale in the Middle Ages in part because the water wasn't safe to drink by itself.
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Funkydog posted...

Magyar15 posted...

People can survive without clean water. Been doing it for thousands of years

You're welcome to go drink cholera infested water then. Don't see why others should have to, when the means exist to not need to.

Point ->
Your head
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Magyar15 posted...

Funkydog posted...

Magyar15 posted...

People can survive without clean water. Been doing it for thousands of years

You're welcome to go drink cholera infested water then. Don't see why others should have to, when the means exist to not need to.

Point ->
Your head

No, I got your point. I just think it not a good one.

We also died young and in horrible pain from drinking/eating bacteria infested things. Why should we now when the means exists to not need to?
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