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boxington 07/07/19 1:21:57 AM #1:	...access to doctors https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article232264972.html The state of California will be paying off $58.6 million in student loans this year for 247 physicians who, in exchange, committed to serve a greater percentage of the states poorest and frailest residents: those covered by Medi-Cal. By removing the burden of student loan debt, this program will encourage more providers to make different choices when entering the health care market and be able to provide care for the Medi-Cal population, said Jennifer Kent, director of the Department of Health Care Services, the agency administering the loan repayment program. Those who accept the awards agree to ensure that Medi-Cal patients represent 30 percent of their caseload for five years. That proportion of Medi-Cal patients would be something of a gold standard, according to research by Janet Coffman, a professor in the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California, San Francisco. Working through the California Medical Board, Coffman surveyed 6,163 doctors in 2015 and found that 34 percent of primary care physicians had no Medi-Cal patients in their patient mix and 28 percent had patient rolls in which 30 percent paid through Medi-Cal. The remainder of primary-care doctors fell in the middle. Medi-Cal patients have long complained that they struggle to find clinicians, especially primary care providers, willing to accept Californias fee schedule because it does not cover the entire cost of care. More than 13 million California residents get medical coverage through Medi-Cal, and many of them live in areas with a shortage of primary care physicians. While 247 doctors might sound like too small a group to address so great a need, Coffman said her years of research tell her that this program could make a difference. She has learned that once doctors or any other professionals have children, make friends and put down other roots, they tend to want to stay in that community. I wouldnt say that with a loan repayment youre necessarily earning as much as you would if youre working for Kaiser or Sutter, Coffman said, but it can be the difference that enables folks to say, OK, if I get this loan repayment in addition to salary, I can see my way to work in an urban or rural underserved community. Most loan repayment programs require only a one- or two-year commitment, Coffman said, but this one has a five-year commitment giving doctors more time to figure out how to make a practice financially feasible. Also, some physicians with ties to underserved communities want to return there to practice, she said. DHCS officials said the awardees are practicing in 40 areas of medicine, from pediatrics to psychiatry, and they are in 39 different counties. The 247 providers work in a range of places: hospitals, community clinics, federally qualified health centers, academic settings, government, group practice and private practice. In the Sacramento area, 15 providers received a little more than $3 million in loan repayment funds, with individual awards ranging from $76,278.25 for a thoracic surgeon to $300,000 each to physicians in five different specialties. Sacramento County has eight awardees; Yolo County, four; Placer County, two; and El Dorado County, one. They work for organizations such as UC Davis Health, Sutter Medical Group, Kaiser Permanente and Woodland Clinic Medical Group. more @ link --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:924348673] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>...access to doctors https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/health-and-medicine/article232264972.html <quote>The state of California will be paying off $58.6 million in student loans this year for 247 physicians who, in exchange, committed to serve a greater percentage of the states poorest and frailest residents: those covered by Medi-Cal. By removing the burden of student loan debt, this program will encourage more providers to make different choices when entering the health care market and be able to provide care for the Medi-Cal population, said Jennifer Kent, director of the Department of Health Care Services, the agency administering the loan repayment program. Those who accept the awards agree to ensure that Medi-Cal patients represent 30 percent of their caseload for five years. That proportion of Medi-Cal patients would be something of a gold standard, according to research by Janet Coffman, a professor in the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies at the University of California, San Francisco. Working through the California Medical Board, Coffman surveyed 6,163 doctors in 2015 and found that 34 percent of primary care physicians had no Medi-Cal patients in their patient mix and 28 percent had patient rolls in which 30 percent paid through Medi-Cal. The remainder of primary-care doctors fell in the middle. Medi-Cal patients have long complained that they struggle to find clinicians, especially primary care providers, willing to accept Californias fee schedule because it does not cover the entire cost of care. More than 13 million California residents get medical coverage through Medi-Cal, and many of them live in areas with a shortage of primary care physicians. While 247 doctors might sound like too small a group to address so great a need, Coffman said her years of research tell her that this program could make a difference. She has learned that once doctors or any other professionals have children, make friends and put down other roots, they tend to want to stay in that community. I wouldnt say that with a loan repayment youre necessarily earning as much as you would if youre working for Kaiser or Sutter, Coffman said, but it can be the difference that enables folks to say, OK, if I get this loan repayment in addition to salary, I can see my way to work in an urban or rural underserved community. Most loan repayment programs require only a one- or two-year commitment, Coffman said, but this one has a five-year commitment giving doctors more time to figure out how to make a practice financially feasible. Also, some physicians with ties to underserved communities want to return there to practice, she said. DHCS officials said the awardees are practicing in 40 areas of medicine, from pediatrics to psychiatry, and they are in 39 different counties. The 247 providers work in a range of places: hospitals, community clinics, federally qualified health centers, academic settings, government, group practice and private practice. In the Sacramento area, 15 providers received a little more than $3 million in loan repayment funds, with individual awards ranging from $76,278.25 for a thoracic surgeon to $300,000 each to physicians in five different specialties. Sacramento County has eight awardees; Yolo County, four; Placer County, two; and El Dorado County, one. They work for organizations such as UC Davis Health, Sutter Medical Group, Kaiser Permanente and Woodland Clinic Medical Group.</quote> more @ link</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 07/07/19 1:23:22 AM #2:	omg COMMUNISM! --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:924348735] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>omg COMMUNISM!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BigHentaiBoobie 07/07/19 1:23:57 AM #3:	Cool <cite>BigHentaiBoobie posted [p:924348755] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>Cool</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/07/19 1:24:58 AM #4:	Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out ! --- Unfortunately some people are just not built to make it, their habits and instincts will put them right back to struggle. <cite>Yao posted [p:924348791] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out !</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Camofrog2007 07/07/19 1:25:33 AM #5:	And then you woke up. <cite>Camofrog2007 posted [p:924348815] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>And then you woke up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 07/07/19 1:26:09 AM #6:	but how are they going to learn responsibility and paying off their debts. all this teaches them is that they got a free ride. pffft california. who needs em. --- Currently playing: Super Metroid (snes), Murdered: Soul Suspect (xbox1) <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:924348836] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>but how are they going to learn responsibility and paying off their debts. all this teaches them is that they got a free ride. pffft california. who needs em.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/07/19 1:26:30 AM #7:	Yao posted... Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out ! Post-to-karma ratio of 16 --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:924348844] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out !</quote> Post-to-karma ratio of 16</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/07/19 1:27:02 AM #8:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Yao posted... Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out ! Post-to-karma ratio of 16 Great thought out rebuttal --- Unfortunately some people are just not built to make it, their habits and instincts will put them right back to struggle. <cite>Yao posted [p:924348862] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out !</quote> Post-to-karma ratio of 16</quote> Great thought out rebuttal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 07/07/19 1:27:06 AM #9:	247 people had a total of $58.6 million in debt? Holy fuck --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:924348865] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>247 people had a total of $58.6 million in debt? Holy fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 07/07/19 1:27:42 AM #10:	littlebro07 posted... 247 people had a total of $58.6 million in debt? Holy fuck medical school mane. --- Currently playing: Super Metroid (snes), Murdered: Soul Suspect (xbox1) <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:924348889] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>littlebro07 posted...</cite> <quote>247 people had a total of $58.6 million in debt? Holy fuck</quote> medical school mane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 07/07/19 1:27:42 AM #11:	This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:924348890] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 07/07/19 1:27:49 AM #12:	SauI_Goodman posted... but how are they going to learn responsibility and paying off their debts. all this teaches them is that they got a free ride. pffft california. who needs em. it'll be for physicians and to help those on Medi-Cal --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:924348897] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>SauI_Goodman posted...</cite> <quote>but how are they going to learn responsibility and paying off their debts. all this teaches them is that they got a free ride. pffft california. who needs em.</quote> it'll be for physicians and to help those on Medi-Cal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/07/19 1:27:59 AM #13:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out. Yup --- Unfortunately some people are just not built to make it, their habits and instincts will put them right back to struggle. <cite>Yao posted [p:924348902] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...</cite> <quote>This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out.</quote> Yup</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hanky_Bannister 07/07/19 1:31:11 AM #14:	good decision. well done. --- "3rd Best Whiskey in Northern Burma" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjOu4EzjYg <cite>Hanky_Bannister posted [p:924349027] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>good decision. well done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 07/07/19 1:32:16 AM #15:	So far, it seems very few CE actually read the article, and instead chose to react. Have a read people, you might learn something. --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:924349068] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>So far, it seems very few CE actually read the article, and instead chose to react. Have a read people, you might learn something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 07/07/19 1:33:07 AM #16:	it's seen more of as an investment, where they'll ideally stay in their communities, and without having to pay back student loans, and Medi-Cal patients have better access --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:924349109] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>it's seen more of as an investment, where they'll ideally stay in their communities, and without having to pay back student loans, and Medi-Cal patients have better access</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/07/19 1:35:54 AM #17:	That deal is probably a win-win for both sides. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:924349192] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>That deal is probably a win-win for both sides.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 07/07/19 1:53:56 AM #18:	littlebro07 posted... 247 people had a total of $58.6 million in debt? Holy fuck I was actually gonna make a joke like "ok that's 10 people down, what about the rest" after reading the topic title but then seeing the actual number was way too depressing --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:924349818] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>littlebro07 posted...</cite> <quote>247 people had a total of $58.6 million in debt? Holy fuck</quote> I was actually gonna make a joke like "ok that's 10 people down, what about the rest" after reading the topic title but then seeing the actual number was way too depressing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Manocheese 07/07/19 2:00:42 AM #19:	So the people like @DarkRoast who lived cheap and worked hard to pay off their loans get nothing, while the people who spent luxuriously and put in the minimum amount of effort get a big reward. Sounds fair. --- ()_() Hardcore - We'll probably be modded for this... (o.o) http://manocheese.googlepages.com/manocheesery <cite>Manocheese posted [p:924350021] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>So the people like @DarkRoast who lived cheap and worked hard to pay off their loans get nothing, while the people who spent luxuriously and put in the minimum amount of effort get a big reward. Sounds fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingStopMaster 07/07/19 2:02:06 AM #20:	California taxes just got $58.6 million more <cite>WingStopMaster posted [p:924350048] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>California taxes just got $58.6 million more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 07/07/19 2:03:14 AM #21:	Why are you people shitting on working health practitioners getting their debt forgiven? O_o They literally save human lives. Who the fuck here has done something even remotely close to that? --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:924350084] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>Why are you people shitting on working health practitioners getting their debt forgiven? O_o They literally save human lives. Who the fuck here has done something even remotely close to that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MICHALCOLE 07/07/19 2:05:20 AM #22:	Manocheese posted... So the people like @DarkRoast who lived cheap and worked hard to pay off their loans get nothing, while the people who spent luxuriously and put in the minimum amount of effort get a big reward. Sounds fair. I suffered to pay my debt, you should have to suffer too! <cite>MICHALCOLE posted [p:924350146] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote>So the people like @DarkRoast who lived cheap and worked hard to pay off their loans get nothing, while the people who spent luxuriously and put in the minimum amount of effort get a big reward. Sounds fair.</quote> I suffered to pay my debt, you should have to suffer too!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkeysRfunny 07/07/19 2:13:09 AM #23:	MICHALCOLE posted... Manocheese posted... So the people like @DarkRoast who lived cheap and worked hard to pay off their loans get nothing, while the people who spent luxuriously and put in the minimum amount of effort get a big reward. Sounds fair. I suffered to pay my debt, you should have to suffer too! "I worked hard and lived smart to pay my debt, you should do so too!" --- The story of your fighting is a poem of two words: you suck. <cite>monkeysRfunny posted [p:924350318] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>MICHALCOLE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote>So the people like @DarkRoast who lived cheap and worked hard to pay off their loans get nothing, while the people who spent luxuriously and put in the minimum amount of effort get a big reward. Sounds fair.</quote> I suffered to pay my debt, you should have to suffer too!</quote> "I worked hard and lived smart to pay my debt, you should do so too!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 07/07/19 2:54:30 AM #24:	MutantJohn posted... Why are you people shitting on working health practitioners getting their debt forgiven? O_o They literally save human lives. Who the fuck here has done something even remotely close to that? None of the people bitching, I guarantee that Apparently entering a contractual agreement where your debt is paid off in return for your services is no better than sitting on your ass and it being forgiven, though I'd wager that people who come to that conclusion probably weren't cut out for higher education any way --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:924351315] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>MutantJohn posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you people shitting on working health practitioners getting their debt forgiven? O_o They literally save human lives. Who the fuck here has done something even remotely close to that?</quote> None of the people bitching, I guarantee that Apparently entering a contractual agreement where your debt is paid off in return for your services is no better than sitting on your ass and it being forgiven, though I'd wager that people who come to that conclusion probably weren't cut out for higher education any way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmidgeIsntBack 07/07/19 3:01:53 AM #25:	MarqueeSeries posted... Apparently entering a contractual agreement where your debt is paid off in return for your services Now that you've said this, someone is going to pull the slavery argument like what always happens in topics about socialized medicine. --- Audio Theater: For discussion of podcasts, radio, audiobooks, and the like https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1364- <cite>SmidgeIsntBack posted [p:924351464] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>MarqueeSeries posted...</cite> <quote>Apparently entering a contractual agreement where your debt is paid off in return for your services</quote> Now that you've said this, someone is going to pull the slavery argument like what always happens in topics about socialized medicine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 07/07/19 3:07:59 AM #26:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out. Well, it actually teaches people that school should be reasonably priced and that right now there's a problem in debt over student loans. Your future shouldnt be crippled over the fact that you went to college. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:924351614] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...</cite> <quote>This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out.</quote> Well, it actually teaches people that school should be reasonably priced and that right now there's a problem in debt over student loans. Your future shouldnt be crippled over the fact that you went to college.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown5uspect 07/07/19 3:39:27 AM #27:	Yao posted... RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out. Yup Yeah I mean it's not like society needs doctors <cite>Unknown5uspect posted [p:924352334] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...</cite> <quote>This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out.</quote> Yup</quote> Yeah I mean it's not like society needs doctors</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 07/07/19 8:14:07 AM #28:	MICHALCOLE posted... Manocheese posted... So the people like @DarkRoast who lived cheap and worked hard to pay off their loans get nothing, while the people who spent luxuriously and put in the minimum amount of effort get a big reward. Sounds fair. I suffered to pay my debt, you should have to suffer too! I don't mind if other people get their debt paid off. Not everyone is as fortunate as I am to have a job that allows so much moonlighting and extra pay. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:924356210] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>MICHALCOLE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote>So the people like @DarkRoast who lived cheap and worked hard to pay off their loans get nothing, while the people who spent luxuriously and put in the minimum amount of effort get a big reward. Sounds fair.</quote> I suffered to pay my debt, you should have to suffer too!</quote> I don't mind if other people get their debt paid off. Not everyone is as fortunate as I am to have a job that allows so much moonlighting and extra pay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 07/07/19 8:17:23 AM #29:	I just want to point out, most states have a similar program for debt relief. Certainly, in my own, if you agree to serve an underserved community for 4 years, they will pay your debt. It's not like it's free, anyway. Usually, you have to go to an area that can't afford to pay you a normal doctor salary or you have to volunteer at free clinics. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:924356267] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>I just want to point out, most states have a similar program for debt relief. Certainly, in my own, if you agree to serve an underserved community for 4 years, they will pay your debt. It's not like it's free, anyway. Usually, you have to go to an area that can't afford to pay you a normal doctor salary or you have to volunteer at free clinics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0xDEFECADE 07/07/19 8:19:21 AM #30:	I don't have a problem with this tbh --- 1101 1110 1111 1110 1100 1010 1101 1110 one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>0xDEFECADE posted [p:924356302] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>I don't have a problem with this tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Touch 07/07/19 8:20:52 AM #31:	How did I know CE would find a way to be salty about this lmao --- https://imgtc.com/i/bC2YZz9.jpg <cite>Touch posted [p:924356323] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>How did I know CE would find a way to be salty about this lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/07/19 8:25:55 AM #32:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out. Thats what California is banking on for when they go bankrupt. --- "Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." -Michael Malice <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:924356411] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...</cite> <quote>This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out.</quote> Thats what California is banking on for when they go bankrupt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/07/19 8:33:12 AM #33:	tennisdude818 posted... Thats what California is banking on for when they go bankrupt. Hasn't California run a budget surplus for the last several years --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:924356541] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>Thats what California is banking on for when they go bankrupt. </quote> Hasn't California run a budget surplus for the last several years</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/07/19 9:24:29 AM #34:	Doom_Art posted... tennisdude818 posted... Thats what California is banking on for when they go bankrupt. Hasn't California run a budget surplus for the last several years I dunno, maybe by some metric because housing is skyrocketing. But their pension liabilities are massive. Unless you think stocks and real estate will keep going up and to the right for as long as California has fat pensions and big spending, they arent on a sustainable track. --- "Those who need leaders are not qualified to choose them." -Michael Malice <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:924357466] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>Thats what California is banking on for when they go bankrupt. </quote> Hasn't California run a budget surplus for the last several years</quote> I dunno, maybe by some metric because housing is skyrocketing. But their pension liabilities are massive. Unless you think stocks and real estate will keep going up and to the right for as long as California has fat pensions and big spending, they arent on a sustainable track.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Key 07/07/19 9:27:34 AM #35:	Damn_Underscore posted... That deal is probably a win-win for both sides. This yleveryone complaining probably didnt read the article or are just bitter. They're not getting rid of the debt for free it's in exchange for them agreeing to treat people on California's health care system --- <:;:;:;:;:;:;:;:;}]\\\\\\O=('-'Q) (>'-')> <('-'<) ^( '-' )^ v( '-' )v <('-'<) ^(_ _)^ (>'-')> ^(^-^) <cite>Key posted [p:924357526] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>That deal is probably a win-win for both sides.</quote> This yleveryone complaining probably didnt read the article or are just bitter. They're not getting rid of the debt for free it's in exchange for them agreeing to treat people on California's health care system</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Touch 07/07/19 9:28:32 AM #36:	Key posted... Damn_Underscore posted... That deal is probably a win-win for both sides. This yleveryone complaining probably didnt read the article or are just bitter. They're not getting rid of the debt for free it's in exchange for them agreeing to treat people on California's health care system It's no surprise tbh. California is like...top 5 things CE loves to hate on --- https://imgtc.com/i/bC2YZz9.jpg <cite>Touch posted [p:924357546] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Key posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>That deal is probably a win-win for both sides.</quote> This yleveryone complaining probably didnt read the article or are just bitter. They're not getting rid of the debt for free it's in exchange for them agreeing to treat people on California's health care system</quote> It's no surprise tbh. California is like...top 5 things CE loves to hate on</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/07/19 9:29:13 AM #37:	Seems good, imo. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:924357564] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>Seems good, imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malfunction 07/07/19 9:32:24 AM #38:	it's really fascinating how bitterness fuels so much opposition to positive policies the world over but particularly in america <cite>Malfunction posted [p:924357640] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>it's really fascinating how bitterness fuels so much opposition to positive policies the world over but particularly in america</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 07/07/19 9:34:42 AM #39:	Sounds like you're swapping an indenture to some loanholder with an indenture to the government. On leftys view that as progress. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:924357686] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like you're swapping an indenture to some loanholder with an indenture to the government. On leftys view that as progress.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 07/07/19 9:38:27 AM #40:	Damn_Underscore posted... That deal is probably a win-win for both sides. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:924357769] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>That deal is probably a win-win for both sides.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dat_Cracka_Jax 07/07/19 9:47:44 AM #41:	Taxpayers paying again for medi cali --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 <cite>Dat_Cracka_Jax posted [p:924357988] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>Taxpayers paying again for medi cali</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tullock 07/07/19 9:49:19 AM #42:	Yao posted... Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out ! Yes, those selfish doctors who spend almost a decade in school so they can treat the sick and injured. --- ImgTC. https://discord.gg/PDTUWUC <cite>tullock posted [p:924358022] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out !</quote> Yes, those selfish doctors who spend almost a decade in school so they can treat the sick and injured.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_rowan 07/07/19 9:52:48 AM #43:	RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out. lmao what This is literally an advance payment for services. That is all. It is impossible to not go into ridiculous debt to become a doctor. They're giving up future profits for their own practice by agreeing to this, because medicaid (or medi-cal in this case) pays jack shit for care. --- "That is why war is so tragic. To win means to make victims of your opponents and give birth to hatred." - Kratos Aurion, Tales of Symphonia <cite>the_rowan posted [p:924358109] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...</cite> <quote>This just teaches have no responsibility and you will get bailed out.</quote> lmao what This is literally an advance payment for services. That is all. It is impossible to not go into ridiculous debt to become a doctor. They're giving up future profits for their own practice by agreeing to this, because medicaid (or medi-cal in this case) pays jack shit for care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yao 07/07/19 9:53:40 AM #44:	tullock posted... Yao posted... Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out ! Yes, those selfish doctors who spend almost a decade in school so they can treat the sick and injured. They do it to get paid dude --- Unfortunately some people are just not built to make it, their habits and instincts will put them right back to struggle. <cite>Yao posted [p:924358124] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>tullock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out !</quote> Yes, those selfish doctors who spend almost a decade in school so they can treat the sick and injured.</quote> They do it to get paid dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 07/07/19 9:56:19 AM #45:	The Admiral posted... Sounds like you're swapping an indenture to some loanholder with an indenture to the government. On leftys view that as progress. Even under a misrepresentation like that, yes, being beholden to a loanholder is worse than being beholden to the government. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:924358184] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Sounds like you're swapping an indenture to some loanholder with an indenture to the government. On leftys view that as progress.</quote> Even under a misrepresentation like that, yes, being beholden to a loanholder is worse than being beholden to the government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tullock 07/07/19 9:57:34 AM #46:	Yao posted... tullock posted... Yao posted... Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out ! Yes, those selfish doctors who spend almost a decade in school so they can treat the sick and injured. They do it to get paid dude Now I'm curious who's alt you are --- ImgTC. https://discord.gg/PDTUWUC <cite>tullock posted [p:924358215] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tullock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yao posted...</cite> <quote>Way to teach young people ! Get into debt by your own choices and other hard working tax payers will simply bail you out !</quote> Yes, those selfish doctors who spend almost a decade in school so they can treat the sick and injured.</quote> They do it to get paid dude</quote> Now I'm curious who's alt you are</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perascamin 07/07/19 9:58:44 AM #47:	I don't get it. They bailed people who will end up incredibly well off if they just keep up their career in medicine? Why. Why would they do that? --- I've grown. <cite>Perascamin posted [p:924358245] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>I don't get it. They bailed people who will end up incredibly well off if they just keep up their career in medicine? Why. Why would they do that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alteres 07/07/19 9:59:14 AM #48:	Dat_Cracka_Jax posted... Taxpayers paying again for medi cali Umm, yes? Where do you think government money comes from? --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 <cite>Alteres posted [p:924358255] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...</cite> <quote>Taxpayers paying again for medi cali</quote> Umm, yes? Where do you think government money comes from?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_rowan 07/07/19 10:00:35 AM #49:	Perascamin posted... I don't get it. They bailed people who will end up incredibly well off if they just keep up their career in medicine? Why. Why would they do that? Because it's not a bail out. It's a contract. They're agreeing to accept medi-cal which pays jack shit for services. Like pennies on the dollar if it's like any other medicaid. --- "That is why war is so tragic. To win means to make victims of your opponents and give birth to hatred." - Kratos Aurion, Tales of Symphonia <cite>the_rowan posted [p:924358293] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote><cite>Perascamin posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get it. They bailed people who will end up incredibly well off if they just keep up their career in medicine? Why. Why would they do that?</quote> Because it's not a bail out. It's a contract. They're agreeing to accept medi-cal which pays jack shit for services. Like pennies on the dollar if it's like any other medicaid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
21WIVES_CHILL 07/07/19 10:04:05 AM #50:	I live in CA. You guys dont understand that this actually bad for taxpayers because it just gives politicians an excuse to raise taxes every fucking year on dumb shit like this along with road repairs, low income housing, etc. So far nothing good has come out from any of these "good investments". Also dont forget how CA politicians invested $1.3B in hopes to gain more revenue in the long run for the Niners and look where they are now. Same thing will happen to the Warriors. Wasting money on a $1B+ stadium in hopes of getting more money in the long run thats no longer a super team. <cite>21WIVES_CHILL posted [p:924358379] in California... [t:77845982]...</cite> <quote>I live in CA. You guys dont understand that this actually bad for taxpayers because it just gives politicians an excuse to raise taxes every fucking year on dumb shit like this along with road repairs, low income housing, etc. So far nothing good has come out from any of these "good investments". Also dont forget how CA politicians invested $1.3B in hopes to gain more revenue in the long run for the Niners and look where they are now. Same thing will happen to the Warriors. Wasting money on a $1B+ stadium in hopes of getting more money in the long run thats no longer a super team.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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