Board 8 > This poll of the day kind of actively pisses me off.

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SantaRPidgey
07/22/19 8:53:12 PM
#52:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWBYAxhH3u4" data-time="
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I don't really like adam ruins everything but this episode has a good explanation of how the moon landing would be near impossible to fake. The arguments put forward aren't really "general knowledge" so if someone didn't know this stuff, I wouldn't call them "dumb"

for the record, I didn't verify any of the sources or do any independent research along this video, so it's really only a viable thing to watch if you think d-list celebrity credibility is a thing.
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SantaRPidgey
07/22/19 8:56:46 PM
#53:


I want to pile on to that and say, the moon landing being fake has a lot of interesting facts and suppositions behind it, while the actual facts surrounding the moon landing are a little boring.

Like, I learned why the flag waves in the video literally less than a week ago but it was such a boring technical reason that my brain did not retain it at all.
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Waluigi1
07/22/19 8:57:45 PM
#54:


SantaRPidgey posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWBYAxhH3u4" data-time="
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I don't really like adam ruins everything but this episode has a good explanation of how the moon landing would be near impossible to fake. The arguments put forward aren't really "general knowledge" so if someone didn't know this stuff, I wouldn't call them "dumb"

for the record, I didn't verify any of the sources or do any independent research along this video, so it's really only a viable thing to watch if you think d-list celebrity credibility is a thing.

I've seen this before! It's really quite fascinating. I love Adam Ruins Everything.
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red13n
07/22/19 9:00:18 PM
#55:


Waluigi1 posted...
SantaRPidgey posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWBYAxhH3u4" data-time="
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I don't really like adam ruins everything but this episode has a good explanation of how the moon landing would be near impossible to fake. The arguments put forward aren't really "general knowledge" so if someone didn't know this stuff, I wouldn't call them "dumb"

for the record, I didn't verify any of the sources or do any independent research along this video, so it's really only a viable thing to watch if you think d-list celebrity credibility is a thing.

I've seen this before! It's really quite fascinating. I love Adam Ruins Everything.


can you alleviate my fears and affirm that you don't believe the moon landing is fake?

because you are the person scaring me.

(Vlado just spouts Russian propaganda he isn't even a real person anymore)
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MoogleKupo141
07/22/19 9:03:15 PM
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please stop scaring red
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Lopen
07/22/19 9:03:59 PM
#57:


He said it's quite fascinating so obviously it's true by rules established in topic. Be at ease.
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red13n
07/22/19 9:06:27 PM
#58:


Lopen posted...
He said it's quite fascinating so obviously it's true by rules established in topic. Be at ease.


I was assuming so, i just want him to ease my paranoia here.
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Jakyl25
07/22/19 9:15:39 PM
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Because at a certain point in human history physical evidence to these facts will no longer exist. We should be able to take historical facts at face value and not have people literally just denying facts.


Ironically though, this specific historical fact will have physical evidence that exists far longer than any other
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NFUN
07/22/19 9:21:59 PM
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Actually, there's quite a lot of evidence that the Moon landing was faked. Well, "faked" is a strong word. It's pretty undeniable by detectable debris and experiment that something got there, but actual humans? Give me a break.

The Moon was landed upon in 1969; not by living people but by an unmanned probe.

The Saturn V is roughly comparable to modern rockets in term of sophistication (the only substantial change has been in being recoverable). Even so, age adds a gravitas that can't easily be replicated by even the most rigorous theory and vigorous testing. The technology was still seen to be in its nascency and the government was loathe to run the risk of real humans dying in this mission. The Mercury fire that killed a few astronauts including Alan Shepherd was embarrassing enough. Have you read the speech Nixon was to give in the event the mission was a failure? Imagine the demoralizing effect that this hugely publicized event ending in disaster would impose. At least this way if the lander failed NASA could claim that the astronauts aborted the mission and merely orbited the moon and returned home safely.

Despite this being the age before dramatic miniaturization and the computers being awfully crude by modern standards, the computers aboard the craft were capable of executing the pre-programmed routines enough to get the job done, with only a little real-time calculation being done to adjust throttle while landing. Even with all of weight that the computers added to the mission, the lack of a requirement for life support and dramatic reduction in redundancy and supplies nearly doubled the delta-v achievable by the upper stages, which brought the feasibility of the mission from "just about impossible" to "perhaps doable?".

When you get down to it, you only have proof that something landed on the Moon, not necessarily people. Of course, a man was needed to place the flag and the other miscellany left behind, at least in the organized way we know today. This, naturally, was what was filmed in Kubrick's famous soundroom.
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foolm0r0n
07/22/19 9:29:44 PM
#61:


Kubrick was hired to fake the moon landing but his perfectionism demanded it be filmed on location
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Nrrr
07/22/19 9:32:59 PM
#62:


Let's not forget the fact that in his famous reveal of the elite Illuminati pedophile sex cults that control everything in "Eyes Wide Shut" (a film Kubrick was killed for releasing with a heart attack gun) a small child was wearing an "Apollo 11" T-shirt as a way of tipping his hand to the fact the US government recruited him to film the moon landing footage.
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NFUN
07/22/19 9:34:52 PM
#63:


Nrrr posted...
Let's not forget the fact that in his famous reveal of the elite Illuminati pedophile sex cults that control everything in "Eyes Wide Shut" (a film Kubrick was killed for releasing with a heart attack gun) a small child was wearing an "Apollo 11" T-shirt as a way of tipping his hand to the fact the US government recruited him to film the moon landing footage.

how could i miss this damning evidence
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turbopuns3
07/22/19 9:38:07 PM
#64:


red13n posted...
oh and I've been clearly visible in the background of TV many times.


The local news interviewed me about Pokemon Go during its first week. I just happened to be the person in the place at the time when they were searching for a charismatic millennial to talk about it. That was cool!

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Forceful_Dragon
07/22/19 9:41:55 PM
#65:


There person next to me caught a home run ball when I was at a Giants game last month so I was on television for that.
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MoogleKupo141
07/22/19 9:55:50 PM
#66:


Nrrr posted...
Let's not forget the fact that in his famous reveal of the elite Illuminati pedophile sex cults that control everything in "Eyes Wide Shut" (a film Kubrick was killed for releasing with a heart attack gun) a small child was wearing an "Apollo 11" T-shirt as a way of tipping his hand to the fact the US government recruited him to film the moon landing footage.


is this a real thing people believe?
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CoolCly
07/22/19 10:19:34 PM
#67:


I actually walked away from watching the Adam Ruins Everything segment on the moon landing thinking that his explanation seemed like total BS. It's impossible to make shadows with the technology at the time? Maybe in certain contexts with certain lasers, but I don't think you can definitively say there was literally no way to do it with some other method

He was on Joe Rogan recently and he was REAL shaky on backing it up, like he had zero actual knowledge on the subject and just defaulted to "well the expert I consulted on this said so, I'd have to check what we talked about with him to speak on it more", in which case why is this one expert he talked to so credible and definitive? You just believe that guy was 100% right and put it in your show? Finding one special FX guy that says it's not possible is not definitive proof that it was not possible.
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foolm0r0n
07/22/19 10:39:23 PM
#68:


CoolCly posted...
in which case why is this one expert he talked to so credible and definitive?

Because the alternative is a bunch of old people on facebook, and Vlado.

Like if you can find another VFX guy who does think the shadows could be done in the 60s, then fine, there's an argument. An argument between the two VFX guys that is. You, me, Adam, Joe Rogan, and that kid on youtube have nothing to do with it.
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Leafeon13N
07/22/19 10:51:32 PM
#69:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
There person next to me caught a home run ball when I was at a Giants game last month so I was on television for that.


Oh i caught a foul ball when i was like 12 and was focused on TV for a moment for that. Probably the most direct I've been in a shot but this was before cell phones and DVR so I never got to see it myself.
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StealThisSheen
07/22/19 10:55:52 PM
#70:


CoolCly posted...
in which case why is this one expert he talked to so credible and definitive?


He's credible and definitive until another expert actually steps forward and goes "No, it could be done." Then it's a discussion. Some wackos on the internet don't make him not credible, though.
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Leafeon13N
07/22/19 10:59:38 PM
#71:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Nrrr posted...
Let's not forget the fact that in his famous reveal of the elite Illuminati pedophile sex cults that control everything in "Eyes Wide Shut" (a film Kubrick was killed for releasing with a heart attack gun) a small child was wearing an "Apollo 11" T-shirt as a way of tipping his hand to the fact the US government recruited him to film the moon landing footage.


is this a real thing people believe?


A version of this, though maybe not that deep, is on the Wikipedia page.
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Waluigi1
07/22/19 11:01:09 PM
#72:


I guess I believe we landed on the moon since the government says so. But there are a LOT of questions about it that don't seem to have answers.
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Leafeon13N
07/22/19 11:02:33 PM
#73:


Waluigi1 posted...
I guess I believe we landed on the moon since the government says so. But there are a LOT of questions about it that don't seem to have answers.


Which?

I will dig for the answers for you.
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Nrrr
07/22/19 11:03:15 PM
#74:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Nrrr posted...
Let's not forget the fact that in his famous reveal of the elite Illuminati pedophile sex cults that control everything in "Eyes Wide Shut" (a film Kubrick was killed for releasing with a heart attack gun) a small child was wearing an "Apollo 11" T-shirt as a way of tipping his hand to the fact the US government recruited him to film the moon landing footage.


is this a real thing people believe?


Do you even be have to ask?
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Waluigi1
07/22/19 11:04:01 PM
#75:


Well like the first thing I asked, why have we never been back or done anything similar?

How was technology good enough to make a trip there and back so long ago?
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Lopen
07/22/19 11:06:25 PM
#76:


StealThisSheen posted...
CoolCly posted...
in which case why is this one expert he talked to so credible and definitive?


He's credible and definitive until another expert actually steps forward and goes "No, it could be done." Then it's a discussion. Some wackos on the internet don't make him not credible, though.


Ideally the expert would have some sort of reason or supporting evidence or whatever. Like "an expert said it" is very weak evidence by itself without the why. Not saying the expert didn't have these things but it's lame that the dude didn't bother to ask or remember
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NFUN
07/22/19 11:07:55 PM
#77:


Waluigi1 posted...
Well like the first thing I asked, why have we never been back or done anything similar?

How was technology good enough to make a trip there and back so long ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_17
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redrocket
07/22/19 11:13:11 PM
#78:


Waluigi1 posted...
Well like the first thing I asked, why have we never been back or done anything similar?

How was technology good enough to make a trip there and back so long ago?


I dunno, I suppose we never went back for the same reason why we dont even have our own goddamn manned launch system anymore.

It was (from the governments perspective) just a propaganda stunt to break one off in the USSRs butt at the height of the Cold War. Once we did that, it was mission accomplished, and there was no reason to go back. Do you know how much it costs to go to the fucking moon? A fucking lot. Do you really expect politicians to provide that kind of funding for science??? (*insert the laughter of madness here*)
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redrocket
07/22/19 11:18:19 PM
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red13n posted...
Also the fact I cant find this website again because i am literally being drowned out in conspiracy rehashing is real fucking depressing.


Bro, I dunno it its the same one, but I linked one of the best earlier in the topic:

http://www.clavius.org/
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red13n
07/22/19 11:24:17 PM
#80:


Waluigi1 posted...
Well like the first thing I asked, why have we never been back or done anything similar?

How was technology good enough to make a trip there and back so long ago?


First off, we went to the moon 5 times after that.

Why we didnt go back? Because its fucking expensive and the government was willing to fund it to show superiority to Russia in the midst of the cold war.

Technology not good enough? Satellites began being launched into space in the late 1950s. Think about how fucking precise they got. Also remember, the gravity on the moon is different from the earth, it doesn't take nearly as much power to make the trip from the landing vehicle to the orbitting return vehicle. Not that this wasn't dangerous as hell, there was signifcant risk involved. In todays world, we probably never take that risk. But this was the cold war days and the moon landings were at their heart all about rubbing it all in to Russia.

Unless your going to get all conspiracy theory about cell phones or the fact at this point mankind has literally landed rovers cleanly on fucking asteroids. But at that point you are lost.

https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-astronauts-take-off-from-the-moon-to-go-back-to-Earth-How-did-they-launch-the-rocket-back

Thats a good basic rundown of how it works.
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red13n
07/22/19 11:25:26 PM
#81:


redrocket posted...
red13n posted...
Also the fact I cant find this website again because i am literally being drowned out in conspiracy rehashing is real fucking depressing.


Bro, I dunno it its the same one, but I linked one of the best earlier in the topic:

http://www.clavius.org/


oh yes it was that one thank you. I think my brain funneled that post out because it was too close to a vlado post. People were doing good work and circulating this to all conspiracy theory posts on twitter a few days ago.
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Grimlyn
07/22/19 11:28:28 PM
#82:


oLsxP0z

I know I shouldn't be surprised by search suggestion mindreading but aaaaa
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StealThisSheen
07/22/19 11:56:11 PM
#83:


Lopen posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
CoolCly posted...
in which case why is this one expert he talked to so credible and definitive?


He's credible and definitive until another expert actually steps forward and goes "No, it could be done." Then it's a discussion. Some wackos on the internet don't make him not credible, though.


Ideally the expert would have some sort of reason or supporting evidence or whatever. Like "an expert said it" is very weak evidence by itself without the why. Not saying the expert didn't have these things but it's lame that the dude didn't bother to ask or remember


To be fair, depending on how long after it was, it'd probably be hard to remember everything from every episode.

I'd assume they had reasons to believe the experts they chose.
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foolm0r0n
07/23/19 1:14:17 AM
#84:


Lopen posted...
Ideally the expert would have some sort of reason or supporting evidence or whatever

The expert does have that and it's up to the skeptic to challenge that directly

However the dunce much rather prefers to challenge the tertiary sources and never dares to enter the arena of the expert
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Waluigi1
07/23/19 10:30:46 AM
#85:


NFUN posted...
Waluigi1 posted...
Well like the first thing I asked, why have we never been back or done anything similar?

How was technology good enough to make a trip there and back so long ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_17

Thank you for this. I legitimately didn't think we had ever been back. *the more you know*
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Lopen
07/23/19 10:35:15 AM
#86:


Being a skeptic without doing very basic research is strange to me. Google "how many manned lunar landings" and Google kindly tells you six.
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SantamBraveWii
07/23/19 10:41:47 AM
#87:


Lopen posted...
Being a skeptic without doing very basic research is strange to me. Google "how many manned lunar landings" and Google kindly tells you six.


I would be willing to bet everything I own that there are things you're skeptical about that you haven't made the time to google.

Heck, the only reason I knew about the other moon landings until my mid twenties was because of a gag from the simpsons in the poochie epsiode.

Mad respect for Waluigi for actually using an opportunity to learn more information, instead of staying quiet out of risk of looking stupid.
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Lopen
07/23/19 10:45:58 AM
#88:


SantamBraveWii posted...
I would be willing to bet everything I own that there are things you're skeptical about that you haven't made the time to google.


Not for very specific very easily googled questions like that.

I'd be upset I don't own all your things but I don't have any use for a butter churn, straw hat, and a set of designer pitchforks anyway.
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KingButz
07/23/19 10:46:29 AM
#89:


I just read through this topic and was thinking there was some Mandela Effect shit going on because I remembered learning about multiple moon landings.

Glad that is cleared up.
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foolm0r0n
07/23/19 10:48:59 AM
#90:


Researching too little means you're dumb, researching too much means you're a sheep who believes too much of what you read
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HashtagSEP
07/23/19 10:49:24 AM
#91:


SantamBraveWii posted...
Mad respect for Waluigi for actually using an opportunity to learn more information, instead of staying quiet out of risk of looking stupid.


Eh, he wasn't asking "Were there other moon landings?" in a quest for knowledge or anything

He was specifically asking "Why haven't we been back?" as if he were confident in thinking we hadn't been, like it was some good "gotcha!" point.
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SantamBraveWii
07/23/19 10:50:46 AM
#92:


Lopen posted...
SantamBraveWii posted...
I would be willing to bet everything I own that there are things you're skeptical about that you haven't made the time to google.


Not for very specific very easily googled questions like that.

I'd be upset I don't own all your things but I don't have any use for a butter churn, straw hat, and a set of designer pitchforks anyway.


Uhhh I also have a corn cob pipe, asshole
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Lopen
07/23/19 10:59:29 AM
#93:


Well played.
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kevwaffles
07/23/19 11:01:58 AM
#94:


I wonder how hardcore moon landing deniers explain Apollo 13 failing to land on the moon.
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foolm0r0n
07/23/19 11:24:52 AM
#95:


HashtagSEP posted...
He was specifically asking "Why haven't we been back?" as if he were confident in thinking we hadn't been, like it was some good "gotcha!" point.

The point is waluigi was willing to look like an idiot like this in order to learn something new, which is what Santa respects
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NFUN
07/23/19 12:07:10 PM
#96:


kevwaffles posted...
I wonder how hardcore moon landing deniers explain Apollo 13 failing to land on the moon.

that's exactly how
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Jakyl25
07/23/19 1:53:38 PM
#97:


SantamBraveWii posted...
Lopen posted...
Being a skeptic without doing very basic research is strange to me. Google "how many manned lunar landings" and Google kindly tells you six.


I would be willing to bet everything I own that there are things you're skeptical about that you haven't made the time to google.

Heck, the only reason I knew about the other moon landings until my mid twenties was because of a gag from the simpsons in the poochie epsiode.

Mad respect for Waluigi for actually using an opportunity to learn more information, instead of staying quiet out of risk of looking stupid.


Then for a long time, nothing happened
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Jakyl25
07/23/19 1:55:17 PM
#98:


NFUN posted...
Waluigi1 posted...
Well like the first thing I asked, why have we never been back or done anything similar?

How was technology good enough to make a trip there and back so long ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_17


Dont forget
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_18_(film)
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redrocket
07/23/19 2:14:20 PM
#99:


I mean, I thought when he asked, why did we never go back? that, after the end of the Apollo Program, was just implied. Whoops.
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kevwaffles
07/23/19 4:00:35 PM
#100:


NFUN posted...
kevwaffles posted...
I wonder how hardcore moon landing deniers explain Apollo 13 failing to land on the moon.

that's exactly how

As in why would they bother having a mission failure if they were just faking the whole thing anyway?
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IfGodCouldDie
07/23/19 4:08:13 PM
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kevwaffles posted...
NFUN posted...
kevwaffles posted...
I wonder how hardcore moon landing deniers explain Apollo 13 failing to land on the moon.

that's exactly how

As in why would they bother having a mission failure if they were just faking the whole thing anyway?

Fake authenticity
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